Title: Video Shot by Pilot Flying Along side several Chemtrail Planes Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Mar 13, 2010 Author:kevin604bc Post Date:2010-03-13 16:18:34 by wudidiz Keywords:None Views:14948 Comments:715
The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well?
He was referencing images that YOU posted which portrayed vapor trails that are far different than normal contrails. You posted them as "proof" that this phenomenon existed even back in WWII. I'd like to see an original source of those images, ie. military photo gallery, and not one whose job it is to debunk chemtrails.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
He was referencing images that YOU posted which portrayed vapor trails that are far different than normal contrails.
More bullshit.
I refer to post 382 where he said, and I quote, " My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site: "
I asked for proof of that photoshopping, in post 384, because I don't give a tinkers damn about anyones "guesses". I can guess about things all day long, but it doesn't mean a thing.
Ok, so the images might be authentic, but as someone else pointed out they are only showing a narrow angle view of the sky, and don't show a wide angle view of those trails to indicate how long they lasted. Wider angle images from WWII that I've seen do show the trails dissipating as normal.
Regardless, I've seen enough evidence to indicate there IS chemtrail activity taking place with my own eyes. That there is such a campaign of denial taking place indicates whatever it is that they ARE doing is something they would rather not tell us about.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
What's disturbing is that it'd be understandable if we were talking about the standard brain damaged sheeple, but here we have otherwise intelligent and rational people who dismiss out of hand any notion that such a thing might be true, based upon some misguided notion that the government would tell us if they were poisoning us from the skies..
Even more amusing, and inconsistent, some of these same people regularly castigate government for other wrongs.
Trying to analyze it logically is pointless, because the viewpoint is not founded on logic - it is founded upon fixed and unchanging ideas which are taken as absolutes regardless of contradictory evidence - of which many are simply false. And when someone draws a conclusion on false data that conclusion will also be false - and often appear very screwy to others (with the very rare exception where faulty reasoning arrived by sheer coincidence at the correct answer).
"Hell, they don't even believe their own "lying eyes" apparently, or totally forget what the skies USED to look like."
That goes back to one of my favorite, and frequently used, quotes as it is so braodly applicable:
"What you see is determined by what you know and when that changes everything changes." ~ James Burke (Not verbatim but that is the gist.)
So, if someone knows the world is flat then everything they see will confirm that. It looks flat doesn't it?
In his book "The Day the Universe Changed" Burke quoted the philospher Wittgenstein who was confronted by the following:
A person: "How silly of our ancestors to think the sun revolved around the earth when it is clear that it does not?"
Wittgenstein: Thoughtfully - "But I wonder what it would have looked if it did?"
The point of course is that it would have looked the same, however our knowledge of how the universe operates changed and thus so did what we saw.
So, to the person who does not recall the difference, or is too young, then Chemtrails are part of the normal airscape. Thus, they see nothing unusual "because that's the way it has always been". "Oceanna has always been at war with Eurasia."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Here it is for #352: http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1454956689_44a09f2d27_o.jpg
Oh BTW, contrailscience.com appears to be a chemtrail debunking site which exists for that sole purpose.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Ok, so the images might be authentic, but as someone else pointed out they are only showing a narrow angle view of the sky, and don't show a wide angle view of those trails to indicate how long they lasted. Wider angle images from WWII that I've seen do show the trails dissipating as normal.
If you were a photographer back then, would you take pics of the planes themselves, or a big white line that everybody could see?
There may be pics out there like that. Who knows. There are a lot of WW2 pics out there, and movies too.
Regardless, I've seen enough evidence to indicate there IS chemtrail activity taking place with my own eyes. That there is such a campaign of denial taking place indicates whatever it is that they ARE doing is something they would rather not tell us about.
Maybe they are, I don't know. But I have not seen the evidence yet. Just people with an agenda that totally ignore evidence that does not fit in with what they want to see. They even make "guesses" of photoshopping. Are guesses now considered to be evidence?
Maybe they are, I don't know. But I have not seen the evidence yet. Just people with an agenda that totally ignore evidence that does not fit in with what they want to see.
The thing is, I only first noticed VERY unusual "contrails" back in the mid 90's, so it wasn't that I was convinced by the Internet evidence, I already knew something was going on, and with the info (and disinfo) being spread across the net in relation to those observations, I know beyond any reasonable doubt that whatever it is they ARE doing is probably not good, otherwise they'd tell us exactly what they were doing and why.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
OK, what do they say there that you disagree with?
It's obvious that someone devoted a LOT of time and effort in order to debunk chemtrails as much as possible. Now WHY would someone do that, and where do they get their funding?
People who feel that they are alerting people to danger do what they do for altruistic reasons, where those who try to debunk those dangers do so for other reasons.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
It's obvious that someone devoted a LOT of time and effort in order to debunk chemtrails as much as possible. Now WHY would someone do that, and where do they get their funding?
It costs about $100 per year to put up a website. Once that is paid, it just takes time and effort. You don't need funding. Now, do you have any specific disagreements about the info presented there?
People who feel that they are alerting people to danger do what they do for altruistic reasons, where those who try to debunk those dangers do so for other reasons.
It all depends on whether the danger is real, or a hoax that took on a life of its own because some of us are all too willing to believe our .gov is capable of doing this. Just because they are dirtbags of the lowest order doesn't mean they are guilty of everything attributed to them. Just the things we all agree on are bad enough without going off on these tangents.
There is nothing "altruistic" about lying, intentional or not.
#399. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#390)
More bullshit.
I refer to post 382 where he said, and I quote, " My guess... photoshopped WWII 'chemtrails' from modern 'Truth is Lies' disinfo site: "
I asked for proof of that photoshopping, in post 384, because I don't give a tinkers damn about anyones "guesses". I can guess about things all day long, but it doesn't mean a thing.
I'm allowed to guess and admit when I am. Just as you are and do as well.
I don't know exactly what the site is or how the pictures came to be on the site, so I honestly say that I'm guessing.
I do know they aren't contrails. Simply because contrails dissipate and disappear. Regardless of what anyone says.
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
I don't really care why.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
I don't really care why.
Very telling. Please remember, this is *YOUR* thread.
"Yes they [US government] have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original Intent, circa 2010
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
Actually - that the contrails were unusually vivid may be one of the reasons the photo survived - as a novelty because it is the exception rather than the rule. Taken up close, from another plane in the squadron, they would look denser than from the ground - but it still does not show the tails of contrails which is what makes is suspect i.e., that if one could see a larger frame one would see the contrails fading as per normal - within 20 to 30 minutes.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The thing is, I only first noticed VERY unusual "contrails" back in the mid 90's, so it wasn't that I was convinced by the Internet evidence,
The devil is in the details. Specific information is required.
I first noticed the emerging police state and the loss of freedoms around that time. Did the police state exist before that? Yes. Just because you first notice something does not mean that is when it started. It just means that is when it caught your attention.
As you wish. I do not see any reason to repudiate it or be bothered by your use of it.
I can back up what I say but just didn't bother for this thread.
Repeated experimentation has been done on military and civilian populations. It is just that the MSM will not cover it - except for the very rare acknowledgment buried in some obscure section of a newspaper OR the occasional disinfo piece to provide "plausible deniability" as happened when it got out that the U.S. Military used Nerve Gas in Southeast Asia.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#410. To: gruntresonance, groundresonance, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#409)
Thank you for sharing.
Do we feel better now?
Please post the details and specifics of ANY ongoing Classified (Top Secret or Above) Project.
I'll be waiting.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I can back up what I say but just didn't bother for this thread.
I would enjoy reading your thoughts ..... assuming you aren't bothered. Just ping me when you have crossed the t's and dotted the i's ... thanks in advance.
With just a few remarcks, I challenge the REAL number of independent and distinct views. I wager, that was SKYDRIFTER sitting at home manually "clicking" on the thread for several days in a row.
I am suggesting that the number of replys are too small to warrant the number of views. Most threads (of any serious discussion) have an average view factor to posts of 4:1. This is true EVERYWHERE on the Internet.
#421. To: gruntresonance, groundresonance, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#411)
Please post the details and specifics of ANY ongoing Classified (Top Secret or Above) Project.
if this "chemtrail" project is so secret, how come you know about it?
Gosh that's a real toughie Ninpo old buddy. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Still addicted to bad logic and dishonestly trying to attribute to someone something they didn't say eh Ninpo old buddy?
Did I say I knew the details of any such?
NO.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I have said that I do believe Chemtrails to be a phenomena unique from contrails, and the body of empirical evidence, no matter how hard you try to wiggle, supports that.
Your admission that you only guess. You made the asinine assertion that they were spraying "chemtrails" in WW2
Here is your quote:
I do know that the pictures you presented as proof of contrails in WWII are of chemtrails. Why they are there I can only guess. Maybe it was an airshow.
You "know" that how???
I guess the alien grays are behind it. Or, that the reptilian shapeshifters are ultimately to blame, I guess, since it is well known (I guess) that the grays are the reptilians servants and have no will of their own, I guess.
I guess.
Don't guess. It only makes you look stupid. Personally I dont think you are, if I did think you were stupid I'd say so, but you do have a blind spot here. Now, I answered your questions. Let's see if you can answer mine. Here they are again:
Photoshopped? Perhaps you can provide proof of that? Your "guessing" means less than nothing.
What is the truth is lies disinfo site?
How is it possible that there aren't contrails on some of your pics, and other show them? Were they airbrushed out? Or airbrushed in? Or did the atmosphere at that altitude and time have an effect on them?
The two that you labeled as chemtrails shows B17s as well as higher altitude fighters. Did they spray back then too? Did they put spray tanks on P51s as well?