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Neocon Nuttery See other Neocon Nuttery Articles Title: LP Bushbot (SOD) has his butt handed to him and is forced to vacate the premises #25. To: SOD (#1) As usual with Paul... all talk and no action. Sponsor some legislation and work for its passage. A leader isn't a seat warmer who occasionally wakes up and says a few words. Congress, which he is a part, authorized this garbage and the millions if not billions wasted on multi-lingual billboards, advertising campaigns, and mailings alerting people that they should comply with the census. I love how you big government lovers blame Paul for the inaction's of your own party. 106th Congress HR4085 -- Census Privacy Act, March 23, 2000 Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Government Reform A BILL To amend title 13, United States Code, to provide that decennial census questionnaires be limited to requesting only the information required by the Constitution. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. LIMITATION ON INFORMATION THAT MAY BE REQUESTED ON CENSUS QUESTIONNAIRES. (a) In General - Section 141(a) of title 13, United States Code, is amended by striking the last sentence and inserting the following: "In connection with any such census, the Secretary is authorized to request no information aside from the number of individuals residing in or staying at a particular address or location, and the names of those individuals.". (b) Conforming Amendment - Section 141(f) of title 13, United States Code, is amended by striking the matter following "census -" and inserting the following: "(1) not later than 2 years before the appopriate census date, a report containing the Secretary's determination of the questions proposed to be included in such census; and "(2) after submission of a report under paragraph (1) and before the appropriate census date, if the Secretary finds new circumstances exist which necessitate that the questions contained in a report so submitted be modified, a report containing the Secretary's determination of the questions as proposed to be modified.". Now tell me hero, why in the world would Paul waste his time proposing legislation like this to a big government controlled Democan Congress when his own supposed small government party refused to allow it to be voted on when they had complete control of the House of Representatives? We would not be having this conversation had your party not betrayed everything they claimed they stood for. Hmm.. what other legislation did he propose that your big government party refuse to vote on? In just the 106th Congress he proposed 76 pieces of legislation that would have both massively curtailed the overreaching power of the federal government government and allowed Americans to keep more of their money. Every year that your party had complete control of the federal government Paul introduced large amounts of small government legislation, stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and implored his Republican peers to live up to their decades long small government rhetoric. He was completely ignored while they grew the size of government more than any group of people since LBJ. Yet you and your ilk condemn him while still embracing those who stabbed you in the back. You and your ilk are just like your party. You have shown your colors and proved that you are no different than the Democans you claim to despise. You embrace big government and despise anyone who wants to take it away. Fibr Dog posted on 2010-03-13 11:49:13 ET Reply Trace #28. To: Fibr Dog (#25) I love how you big government lovers blame Paul for the inaction's of your own party. I wonder if you could fill a sentence with more inaccurate nonsense if you tried. Seeing that your reading comprehension skills and investigative skills lead you to conclude that I am so big government GOP guy, I think you may be able to add a few more. What part of Ron Paul's complete and total failure to act in any sort of capacity other than Congressional seat warmer do you not understand? It seems to me to be a relatively popular idea amongst the American public to limit the information gathered by the census. The idea that Paul, or any other member of the Congress can't get some popular support for this is beyond me. I attribute Paul's failure to do so is that he is basically asleep at the wheel, occasionally waking to make a statement or two, raise funds for re-election, etc.. He is no leader or savior for the GOP or a real conservative movement. SOD posted on 2010-03-13 14:01:49 ET Reply Trace #34. To: SOD (#28) I wonder if you could fill a sentence with more inaccurate nonsense if you tried. I've been watching you doing your big government apologetics for years, so blow your smoke up someone else's ass. What part of Ron Paul's complete and total failure to act in any sort of capacity other than Congressional seat warmer do you not understand? And of course as an apologist of big government you blame the failure of the so-called small government party to back obvious small government legislation on the person who wrote the legislation instead of the party that refused to either cosponsor it or allow it be voted upon in committee. It seems to me to be a relatively popular idea amongst the American public to limit the information gathered by the census. The idea that Paul, or any other member of the Congress can't get some popular support for this is beyond me. We are in agreement on this. However, at least he did try which as far as I can tell is more than anyone else in the Republican party did (except for the few who cosponsored the legislation). If the Republican Party actually believed the rhetoric they spouted for decades Paul's census legislation would have been cosponsored by the entire Republican side of the House and then voted on instead of being buried in committee. I attribute Paul's failure to do so is that he is basically asleep at the wheel, occasionally waking to make a statement or two, raise funds for re-election, etc. On average Paul writes more than seventy pieces of small government legislation a year which both parties immediately bury in committee. How many pieces of small government legislation does your Representative write in a year? For that matter, name a single person in either chamber who writes as much small government legislation as Paul does. He may be many things, but asleep at the wheel isn't one of them. Have you ever even bothered to look at the legislation he's tried to get passed? While you may not agree with every single one of them, if you are a small government conservative as you claim then there should be a large number of them that you agree with. If so, then a thinking person has to ask themselves why it is that the party of small government completely buried them at a time when they had complete control and the best opportunity to pass them. He is no leader or savior for the GOP or a real conservative movement. There is only one savior and his name is Jesus Christ. As for Paul not being a leader, small government legislation is self-evident and any Representative calling himself a small government conservative should not have to be led to cosponsor it and/or allow it to be put up for a committee vote. Claiming otherwise is doing nothing but making excuses for those that spent eight years stabbing their base in the back. Fibr Dog posted on 2010-03-13 16:01:08 ET Reply Trace #36. To: Fibr Dog (#34) I've been watching you doing your big government apologetics for years, so blow your smoke up someone else's ass. You must have me confused with someone else. Your stout defense of a man who has accomplished very little in a long career is puzzling but understanding seeing you are one who invents conditions out of thin air (see above). What is your definition of a leader? Is it Ron Paul? If it is, I am afraid you are beyond help. SOD posted on 2010-03-13 16:11:00 ET Reply Trace #37. To: SOD (#36) Your stout defense of a man who has accomplished very little in a long career is puzzling but understanding seeing you are one who invents conditions out of thin air (see above). Dr. Paul doesn't need any defense. The small government legislation that he has written is self-evident to those of us who actually believe in small government, as are the actions of the big government-loving Republican party and its supporters such as yourself. As an apologist for big government it is not surprising that your definition of accomplishment is how many pieces of legislation a person passes regardless of the content of that legislation. Also, as an apologist for big government it is not surprising that you completely ignore the content of the legislation that Paul has attempted to get passed as well as the role that the members of the big government-loving Republican party played in the lack of accomplishments you claim he has had. I disagree that Paul hasn't accomplished anything. He has accomplished something very important to those of us who actually believe in small government. Every piece of small government legislation that the Republican Party buried in committee when they had complete control of the federal government is proof as to the falseness and duplicity of the Republican party and its supporters. That is quite the accomplishment. It is also the main reason why you and those like you hate him so much. What is your definition of a leader? Is it Ron Paul? If it is, I am afraid you are beyond help. Here's a big difference between those of us who believe in small government and you lovers of big government. I'm not looking to the government to lead me. I'm not looking for the government to take care of me. I'm not looking for the government to protect me. I'm looking for the government to get out of my way and allow me to be a productive member of society without their interference. I have a leader and his name is Jesus Christ. What I am looking for in a Representative is a person who will actively try to roll back the power of an overbearing and (what I consider to be) unconstitutional government. You are mistaken that I am some kind of Ron Paul groupie. It is not the man, it is the legislation he has written. I agree with 90% of the legislation that Paul writes and tries to get passed. If others come along and start writing that same type of legislation or on a regular basis cosponsors Paul's legislation, then I will support them as well. Fibr Dog posted on 2010-03-13 16:45:51 ET Reply Trace #38. To: Fibr Dog (#37) Here's a big difference between those of us who believe in small government and you lovers of big government. Your irrational and delusional ramblings are getting less and less amusing. Seek professional help and a dictionary. SOD posted on 2010-03-13 16:54:51 ET Reply Trace #39. To: SOD (#38) (Edited) Your irrational and delusional ramblings are getting less and less amusing. Seek professional help and a dictionary. Right. Good luck on finding your government leader. Have a nice day. Fibr Dog posted on 2010-03-13 17:05:32 ET Reply Trace
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#6. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
This fool posts at a forum owned by a person who claims the mantle of religiosity while praying for Mecca to burn in a nuclear holocaust. She also refers to Palestinians as "palianimails." The SPLC couldn't ask for a better agent provocateur.
Well he may be a fool, but then perhaps RP is a fool for offering up legislation that's doomed to die a slow death in various committees. Nothing wrong with showing the flag over there. It's just hard to get the stench off afterward. These people are impossible. Dealing with them brings to mind the old adage, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
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