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Title: A *Very Serious* Warning To Nancy Pelosi
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Published: Mar 16, 2010
Author: Karl Denninger
Post Date: 2010-03-17 21:39:10 by James Deffenbach
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I know you're not going to listen to me. I'm going to say it anyway, because as a concerned citizen of The United States of America, I must. You are making a grave, perhaps nation-ending mistake. Attempting to "deem" the Health Care bill passed when it has not actually been voted on is not Constitutional. Article 1, Section 7: All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. This is the black-letter law of the land. There are millions of Americans who are extraordinarily pissed off right now. Some of them, like me, write scathing columns on The Internet or we rant on Talk Radio and Television (such as Judge Napolitano) But some just smolder. Some remember the other founding document of our Republic, The Declaration of Indpendence, which says, in part: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. That doesn't sound so good. What has tempered these people is largely what always has in all nations, that is: Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Indeed. Neither you or I know where the line is for that cross-section of the citizens in this land. I cannot speak for them, for I am not inclined toward the sort of actions that they are, nor do I countenance them. As such I'm not exactly on those folks' "A list". In fact I fear the day they decide to express their disgust, for while in singular number those expressions are horrifying, as a group such actions harken to a time I hope we would never revisit in this nation. But I do understand, and see, that they are seething in anger at what has befallen this once-great country. They have watched as thirty years of corruption in Washington DC has turned our economy and government into a bad joke. They have watched their jobs go overseas to a Communist Nation for the benefit of a handful of corporate oligarchs, while Washington chortles. They have watched banksters do everything in their power to imprison them in debt, including bribing Congress to remove usury laws, "reform" bankruptcy so as to render a significant percentage of the population under effective indentured servitude (allegedly prohibited by the Constitution) while the very same banksters declare bankruptcy at the drop of a hat and stick lenders with losses, and while these very same banksters peddle fraudulent securities, cook their balance sheets and generally defraud everyone in the nation - then force the taxpayers, at gunpoint (quite literally, if you remember the fall of 2008 - you were in the room with Bernanke and Paulson when they threatened tanks in the streets) to bail them out. Finally, they have watched Health Care turn into a monstrous mess, with cost increases of 10, 20 even 30% or more a year. These costs are expanding at that rate because ambulance chasers like former Presidential Candidate John Edwards make millions while Congress has passed laws forcing Americans to eat the development expense for every advanced medical technology over the last 30 years. Congress has refused to demand that medical practitioners bill everyone the same price for the same procedures and drugs. Congress has passed laws exempting medical providers and insurers from anti-trust law, so those aggrieved cannot sue in private causes of action for these abuses. And finally, Congress has forced all of us to eat the cost of care for illegal invaders who commit their first crime with their first step over our national boundary. All of these abuses and more could be addressed, but none of them are in the bill you wish to advance, and that, Madame Speaker, is intentional. But all of this, while it has been outrageous and even criminal, has been, for the most part, Constitutional. It may be the stuff of a Banana Republic, and it may violate equal protection of the law (a founding principle and in fact a guaranteed right), but Congress has never cared about any of that in my 47 years on this planet. Witness all the laws you, Madame Speaker and the rest of the Government (including this Health Care plan) do not have to obey while the rest of us do under pain of fine or even imprisonment. What you propose to do now, however, is not Constitutional. Rather than negotiate, advance and pass something like my four-point plan that would, along with dropping anti-trust protections and ending the practice of preventing reimportation of drugs and devices, attack the problem at the source, you instead are putting forward the Senate's 2200-page monstrosity. You are doing so because this bill is not about Health Care at all. It is about revenue, and you know it. It is about the fact that The Federal Government is running into a wall at warp speed trying to furiously cover up all the fraud and scams in the financial system while at the same time spending over $1.5 trillion we do not have to replace collapsed consumer demand. You must raise revenues, and you know it - or this ship called "The USS Treasury" sinks beneath the waves, and the first sacrifices to go overboard will be all the Seniors on Medicare and Social Security - not by choice, but by force of fiscal insolvency. In short, this is just another Washington scam. But this time you're going too far, and you're taking a horrific risk. You must not, Madame Speaker. You must instead face this nation and tell the truth. We cannot fund the scams and frauds any more. Those who committed them must go to prison, even if they're campaign contributors. We cannot borrow 10% of our GDP and spend it forward, as the CBO projects we will try, in a futile and permanent attempt to replace consumer demand. If we do not stop this idiocy we will soon be unable to fund Social Security, Medicare and Welfare in all its forms, leading to an immediate and critical breakdown of our society. The mad reach for revenue, Madame Speaker, is why you're in such a hurry - and you know damn well I'm right. If you succeed, we will get your tax bill now and the promised health care never. That's a fact. There is a bright white line for every person in this country who has taken an oath to uphold our Constitution. It is in different places for each of those individuals, but you had better believe it exists. For some it will be crossed if you try to disarm Americans, as was attempted after Katrina. For some it will be crossed if you try to occupy their homes. And for some, it may be crossed if you attempt to "deem" this bill passed, when The House has not actually passed it. I pray this evening I am wrong, and that for no material number of people - indeed, for no one person - that is where their personal line is. But I am reasonably certain that this prayer will be offered in vain. Therefore, the choice is yours, not mine, for all I can do in furtherance of my hopes (and abeyance of my fears) is pray. You, Madame Speaker, on the other hand, can act to quell this idiocy. Or you may tempt fate, you may tempt the millions of people who have swore an oath to defend and uphold The Constitution and, having done so, went to war throughout our history. Many of those people, along with millions more who never wore a uniform stand today in defense of that "quaint" old piece of parchment - but not in defense of you, nor any other person. You may also provoke States to assert their long-dormant 10th Amendment rights for real, not in some quaint "one off" regarding intra-state weapons manufacturing. That, Madame Speaker, harkens back to a time I'd rather not revisit as well. You will almost certainly lose your Speaker's Gavel come November, as the mortal sin against the Constitution of deeming a bill passed without actually voting on it is so inimical to a republican form of government and displays such gross arrogance that you have forfeited your right to wield that gavel by mere contemplation of the act. I am quite certain that I stand with millions of other Americans who are willing to put forth whatever effort is necessary to see that occurs come November - at the ballot box - whether you proceed with your abhorrent plan or not. But what I pray for this evening, as I complete my day and offer homage to God before retiring, is that your office, and those of your fellow Democrats who are about to violate your sacred oaths willfully, intentionally, and with malice aforethought - is all you lose.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Thanks for the bump.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Strange how an article starts off with some, A *Very Serious* Warning To Nancy Pelosi and ends up praying... But what I pray for this evening, as I complete my day and offer homage to God before retiring. I just don't get it.
I guess not. You said the other day that you were an agnostic. The author of the article sees value in prayer and you don't.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. She's nuts, is all that I can make of it.
The author is a hypocrite.
With all due respect to the author, the right of petition to the government has never been abridged, however, the worth of such petition has become non existent, and has been so for a long time. Therefore, Americans must seek remedies and redress via other means.
F**k it, fine, I've always said that if I need a simple surgery I'd rather pay $300 and let a reputable veterinarian have a go at it.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Frankly, my dear Karl, Nancy doesn't give a damn about the Constitution.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Just think, the Constitution provides a very simple method of relief from our misery. In November the entire House, including Peeloosely, could be thrown out of power. Think of that, a fresh start. However the voters are far too stupid to do that.
Lovely idea......that fresh start. I have to agree with the however and I'll hold that stance until I see millions with pitchforks indicating a shift in the big wave of stupidity and apathy that has brought this nation to her knees. I did see that VA is ready to file suit on 10A grounds if this bill passes. Hopefully, many other state will follow.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
no pitchforks, imo, without an economic collapse.
I think we might see some pitchforks if those SS checks stop arriving like clockwork. However, I agree that people will not act without severe economic hardship. Sad, but true. Even then, I wonder. Afterall, the people didn't revolt against the Federal Reserve during the Great Depression even when the Fed was supposed to ensure no depressions happened.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We need a surgeon with a meat clever, not a scalpel. For instance, tell Dept of Ed. you have six months to close your books, close the doors and look for work. People cry, "we cant do that". Think of the childrun????? The Nanny state is in full control.
There is a way to avoid that scenario. Call it Social Welfare, based on need. I would gladly forgo my check.
at that time, few people understood the deception that was the Federal Reserve. they didn't know that it was a private banking cartel.
I agree completely Cyni.......... Let's take out the Dept. of Energy too. That pit of wasted tax dollars was created to DECREASE dependency on foreign oil. Epic failure. Then let's round out the E's with getting rid of the Dept. of Economic Security. We can all agree on epic failure for that money pit. Gee, think of all the good we can do once we make it through the alphabet in central government. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We should get rid of the Dept. of Education FOR the children. Since inception the children are LESS educated across this nation. Epic failure......so many children left behind in so little time.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Perhaps you recall years ago, on TV, Bush promoting the Education bill, parented by his good friend Ted Kennedy and himself, the no child left behind???? I can still see that in my minds eye and knew then we had been had. In my day, if you did not learn, you stayed behind and or dropped out. Time and money was not wasted on those that came to school to raise hell.
Jail needs to be cheaper.
neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white
Nancy Pelosi can't hear you because she's flying overhead at 35,000 feet in her FedGov-jet along with her unruly brood of offspring and hangers-on.
_________________________________________________________________________ What leads you to that conclusion? Now I understand that you were talking about Pelosi. Yeah, I agree.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Don't know what leads you to that conclusion but then I am lucky because I don't care all that much either.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Therefore, Americans must seek remedies and redress via other means. I agree. I think the author's point was that they didn't want to see bloodshed but felt like it was going to come anyway. And who does want to see a war in their own country? People you know and love could get hurt and killed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Pure statement of fact.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, sad, isn't it? I wonder how much it costs people to fly that beyotch back and forth all the time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Many will be replaced, but what will replace them? The
problem with DC is the culture of corruption that a new member is met by and
the longer they stay the 'better' politician they become. Term limits is a
start. Chasing the K-Street boys out of town is another. Perot had it mostly
right years ago and unless we can start a 3rd party who represents people like
us, changing out politicians is no different that rearranging the chairs on
the Titanic.
Good points. I learned a long time ago that, with very few exceptions, your "choice" between the R and the D who were running for the same seat was a choice between Tweedledumb and his more or less ideological twin, Tweedledumber.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Pure statement of fact. It's a depressing exercise to try to tote up the number of pols that do.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
I'm beginning to think that the best deciding points, given the likely choices, is to select the candidate whose defining qualities are dumbness and laziness, preferably in proportions of two parts stupidity to eight parts sloth.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
That is how this country was born. That is how this country was...NEARLY SAVED...from itself, 150 years ago.
I would vote for the one who would tell people that the Constitution did not authorize much of what the government was doing and that if he got elected he would vote against most everything they proposed or were already doing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That is how this country was...NEARLY SAVED...from itself, 150 years ago. I understand all that and wish the South had been victorious so that it would have been clearly understood that you have a right to disassociate when and if you choose to do so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. She is a criminal and beholden to criminal masters. If she does not pass this bill then they will pass her. Like my psychotics she fears losing her power more than anything as her whole distorted psyche is bound up in. Without power she has no ability to force her will upon others. However, she stands to lose as well if it passes. However, I suspect she has been promised enough money and power to satisfy her qualms. Have no doubt that this bill is intended to benefit someone(s) other than the people of the United States.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
At the rate things are going it may yet come to that again. Already some states are drawing symbolic lines. It will not be long until those lines become firm if things continue as they are.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Reckon how many Americans the fedgov would Waco if the states started making serious moves toward secession?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Reckon how many Americans the fedgov would Waco if the states started making serious moves toward secession? I think at this point they are in a tricky position, and the wrong move sends the house of cards tumbling. I think violence instituted by the FedGov to assert its primacy might actually light off the "Powder Keg" rather than put out the fuse. People are becoming restive and they know things are not right. Many do not know in what way but they know that they are wrong in some way. Attempts to restrict free speech, the posession of firearms, and now the imposition of a dictatorial Hellthcare regime are all converging on an explosion. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You been reading my PM memos???? Yes, most "know" all about that, damned few understand it. And yes, I know you understand.
I think violence instituted by the FedGov to assert its primacy might actually light off the "Powder Keg" rather than put out the fuse. People are becoming restive and they know things are not right. Many do not know in what way but they know that they are wrong in some way. Attempts to restrict free speech, the posession of firearms, and now the imposition of a dictatorial Hellthcare regime are all converging on an explosion. If and when the time comes it will be better to die fighting on your feet than to live on your knees as a slave.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I wouldn't make a good slave - I'd be trying to poison or slit the throat of the Slave Master 24/7. I think that going out in a sucide mission would be preferable. And if the PTB want to see how a suicide mission is properly done wait until they see "Yankee Ingenuity" - for the last time.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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#2. To: Lod (#1)
Lord Acton
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
Lord Acton
#5. To: buckeroo, all (#3)
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Congress has refused to demand that medical practitioners bill everyone the same price for the same procedures and drugs.
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#10. To: abraxas (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
Think of that, a fresh start. However the voters are far too stupid to do that.
#12. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#11)
#13. To: christine (#12)
no pitchforks, imo, without an economic collapse.
#14. To: abraxas, Christine (#11)
#15. To: abraxas (#13)
I think we might see some pitchforks if those SS checks stop arriving like clockwork.
#16. To: abraxas (#13)
#17. To: Cynicom (#14)
We need a surgeon with a meat clever, not a scalpel.
#18. To: Cynicom (#14)
#19. To: abraxas (#18)
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
Time and money was not wasted on those that came to school to raise hell.
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#22. To: Lod (#5)
(Edited)
She's nuts, is all that I can make of it.
Lord Acton
#23. To: buckeroo (#6)
The author is a hypocrite.
Lord Acton
#24. To: Cynicom (#7)
With all due respect to the author, the right of petition to the government has never been abridged, however, the worth of such petition has become non existent, and has been so for a long time.
Lord Acton
#25. To: abraxas (#9)
Frankly, my dear Karl, Nancy doesn't give a damn about the Constitution.
Lord Acton
#26. To: X-15 (#21)
Nancy Pelosi can't hear you because she's flying overhead at 35,000 feet in her FedGov-jet along with her unruly brood of offspring and hangers-on.
Lord Acton
#27. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
But what I pray for this evening, as I complete my day and
offer homage to God before retiring, is that your office, and those of your
fellow Democrats who are about to violate your sacred oaths willfully,
intentionally, and with malice aforethought - is all you lose.
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
Lord Acton
#29. To: James Deffenbach, abraxas (#25)
Frankly, my dear Karl, Nancy doesn't give a damn about the Constitution.
#30. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
I learned a long time ago that, with very few exceptions, your "choice" between the R and the D who were running for the same seat was a choice between Tweedledumb and his more or less ideological twin, Tweedledumber.
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#24)
And who does want to see a war in their own country?
#32. To: iconoclast (#30)
I'm beginning to think that the best deciding points, given the likely choices, is to select the candidate whose defining qualities are dumbness and laziness, preferably in proportions of two parts stupidity to eight parts sloth.
Lord Acton
#33. To: Cynicom (#31)
That is how this country was born.
Lord Acton
#34. To: Lod (#5)
She's nuts, is all that I can make of it.
#35. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
I understand all that and wish the South had been victorious so that it would have been clearly understood that you have a right to disassociate when and if you choose to do so.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)
At the rate things are going it may yet come to that again. Already some states are drawing symbolic lines. It will not be long until those lines become firm if things continue as they are.
Lord Acton
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#36)
At the rate things are going it may yet come to that again. Already some states are drawing symbolic lines. It will not be long until those lines become firm if things continue as they are.
"“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” ~ Edward Abbey
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
I understand all that
#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
I think at this point they are in a tricky position, and the wrong move sends the house of cards tumbling.
Lord Acton
#40. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
If and when the time comes it will be better to die fighting on your feet than to live on your knees as a slave.
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