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Title: CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101
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Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: truthseeker1922
Post Date: 2010-03-18 15:43:02 by wudidiz
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#25. To: PSUSA (#24)
How do you think physicists make observations and measurements, by guessing?? An observation is not a guess, and a relative comparison is not a guess. I guess that you able to understand the difference however.
I sent the following email to http://www.ksl.com/ Ask The Meteorologist. Sir, I have a question regarding the validity of the so-called "chemtrails" vs persistent contrails. I'm sure you have heard of these things. I did check, via the websites search engine, to see if this has been covered before and was not able to find anything. What conditions would allow what some call chemtrails? How common are these conditions? Any other information you can provide, I will be sure to pass along. I understand if you choose not to answer these questions since this gets into various conspiracy theories. But it would help if you could lead me in the right direction in order to debunk the existence of chemtrails once and for all. Thank you for your time. XXX XXXXX I'll give him a couple days to reply. We'll see what he says, if anything. If I get no reply, I'll try another. One way or another, this will get settled. People are wasting too much time and energy on BS. Including me :)
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Here is his response. We go through periods when a lot of people as us about these so-called "chemtrails". We don't believe that this are what are purported to be but rather is a natural phenomenon from jet aircraft. The exhaust from the aircraft is moisture laden and condenses in the atmosphere at the elevations where the jets fly. They are called "contrails" which is short for "condensation trail". I had a university professor who, in his early days of forecasting, was a weather forecaster during WWII and would let the Allied bomber pilots know at which elevation they would start to make contrails and thus be visible by enemy anti-aircraft batteries on the ground. Here are some of the points I try to make with people when they claim there is a conspiracy about “chem-trails” or because we don’t talk about it that I must be “in” on the conspiracy: Jet aircraft are crossing over the planet daily with hundreds of flights daily - are they all poisoning us? There have to be specific atmospheric conditions in order for contrails to form, for instance humidity, air pressure and temperature. If these are not met, no contrails are formed. It can be very cold on the ground but yet in the upper atmosphere it may not be cold enough to form contrails. So what about all the other days of the year when there are no contrail seen from the ground – are there also unseen chem-trails? If “people” are using commercial aircraft to poison the air or modify the weather, what happens with all the passengers on those planes? Wouldn’t you think that there would be some instances of illness? Think about the secrecy needed and the costs needed for the many days that people say that chem-trails are being sprayed in the air. Lastly, if certain people really wanted to poison us with gasses from commercial aircraft, why not fly and drop the chemicals on moon-less nights when it would not be visible by the general public? None of us here at the KSL weather department believe in “chem-trails” nor do we like to encourage those people who choose to believe in this non-conspiracy. Keith Merrill He knows they are crap. But perhaps you'd like a second opinion? And if that second opinion disagrees with you, you would then like a third opinion? Rinse and repeat? Sooner or later, someone might agree with you, if you ask enough people, and you aren't too picky about the people you ask.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Why are you asking a meteorologist, they're not clouds. Airplanes don't make clouds. Anyway, he's full of shit and so are you. He doesn't know what he's talking about or he's lying or he's just feeding you the same nonsense he was taught. Either way, he's wrong. Contrails don't make clouds. Ever.
Hmmm. OK. Who should I ask? Tell me who would be able to answer these questions if not a meteorologist?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Perhaps you could ask the FBI about the JFK assassination, and ask Homeland Security about the 9/11 attacks, I'm sure you'd get the real answers to your questions. What a putz. So because the guy doesn't believe it can happen, the government would never do anything like that, and because it can't be true, then it can't be true and can't happen. Yeah, that's a real scientific answer....
... supplied by someone that knows what he is talking about. So, he is "in" on "it"? "They" got to him? Man, "they" sure are all-powerful! I wonder if he goes out into the desert to worship the devil and eat roasted babies and plot our destruction with his reptilian masters. And you call me a putz? That is funny! OK, I will ask you this: who should we ask? Hmmmm??? Tell me, and I'll ask him or her. Or, you can do it. But I bet you won't. You need to find someone that you know ahead of time will agree with you. I have no such fears. This whole thing has been a waste of time. But it has also been amusing.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Point out ONE scientific fact that "Mr. Meterologist" gave.
Why didn't you ask Mr. Wizard about the relative altitude of the trails seen in the video which wudidiz posted? Afraid to get an answer you don't want to hear? Being that you could very well have made up that "response", since it simply parrots the usual talking points concerning chemtrails (ie. jets make contrails, they form from water vapor, etc., etc., etc., like no shit Sherlock), what you posted amounts to nothing more than you posting your own thoughts.
Well it's apparent that you're so cold hearted you find killing dolphins to be a great and wonderful thing, so I wouldn't doubt YOU do the above, or at least you would if you could.
Try NOAA... OK, give me the name of a person there. Or better yet, why don't you write them yourself? I know why you won't. The insidious reach of the illuminati has reached into the very heart of NOAA, making sure that no mention is ever made of chemtrails... That is sarcasm, BTW. I know that there are those here that would say that in all seriousness. If you can say that about a meteorologist, you'll say it about the NOAA. After all, you said, and I quote, " Perhaps you could ask the FBI about the JFK assassination, and ask Homeland Security about the 9/11 attacks, I'm sure you'd get the real answers to your questions. " So, name someone we can ask.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Do you know how to use Google? How about reading the info at the link I posted for starters. In fact, if you really wanted to research this topic, you could contact their public affairs office and ask for info. Now, STFU till you grow a few brain cells and can do the most basic of research.
The reason I wont do it is that you will pull the same shit you did with the meteorologist. So you pick the person. Or you do it yourself. Or stfu.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I suggest you go back to hanging with your fellow chimps, you certainly don't know shit about science, and lack the ability to discuss a topic rationally.
You're not rational. The reason I wont do it is that you will pull the same shit you did with the meteorologist. So you pick the person. Or you do it yourself. Or stfu.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Clifford Carnicom... cec102@usa.com or info@carnicominstitute.info
It's an institute! I am impressed! They have their very own institute! That must mean they are truth seekers of the highest order! and the .info part! That must mean that they must have some great info there, huh? That pic proves that they have their own lab! We have a limited amount of time and staff to reply to inquiries. Please include contact information in your message if a reply is desired. info@carnicominstitute.info Limited staff? I guess a "board" of 4 is somewhat limited... And there's this: The Carnicom Institute is raising funds to obtain IRS 501 c3 tax exempt status. Your support would be greatly appreciated. How much money does that take? http://www.tswrobel-law.com/nonprofit_resources/np_faq.htm#12 12. How much will it cost to get our tax exempt status? The IRS has charged a non-refundable processing fee for exemption applications since 1987. There is currently a two tier fee schedule. Organizations whose gross receipts have averaged, or will average, not more than $10,000 per year pay $150. Larger organizations pay $500. A new IRS Revenue Procedure announcing the fees comes out each January; if you are submitting your application late in the year, there may be some benefit to getting it in before January 1st. [Other costs you might incur when setting up a new non-profit organization include incorporation, charitable solicitation and other registration fees to state and local authorities, and fees to have your articles of incorporation, ylaws and exemption application professionally prepared.] Are they that broke? Lee Riddle - Secretary Living on the South coast of Oregon, Lee is employed in agricultural research. His education is in Horticulture, Agriculture, Chemistry, and Botany He looks like he got his education crowing sativa... That, and a reporter, and a gemologist, and a who-knows-what round out the "board" there. That is one impressive institute! Try again.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Hey bud, I gave you the science, I explained it all to you. If you're too fucking stupid to understand it, then don't waste my time. You're such an idiot, you think that by asking a Mr. Wizard type person on the Internet a question concerning chemtrails you're going to get a valid and thorough answer. Do you really think some shmuck answering questions about what the weather is going to be like tomorrow is going to be able to give you a valid answer? I gave you a link that does in fact indicate there are at least 47 ongoing weather modification projects, which includes activity such as what we call chemtrails. If you're too lazy or stupid to read it, then it's obvious you're just trolling here.
Your own words prove you are not rational. I am not "too fucking stupid to understand it". I am smart enough to recognize bullshit when I see it, and your posts are bullshit. At least when it comes to this topic. You did not give me science. You did not explain anything. You gave me guesses. YOu gave me faulty conclusions based on those guesses. I tried to give you science by someone that studies the atmosphere for a living and you chose to disregard it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Now, about these "chemtrails". Who is a good neutral and honest source to ask about them? Surely there is someone out there... Let's keep this on topic. Who knows? Maybe you are right. But your attempts at proving it are not exactly awe inspiring. I can tell that I am getting further under your skin. That sometimes happens when a person dares question a fanatic. You need to relax and think before you post. That might help you some.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I think you belong on bozo. You repeat yourself like a broken record, ignore the facts, analysis, and calculations I gave, and make ludicrous and ridiculous claims. I tried to give you science by someone that studies the atmosphere for a living and you chose to disregard it. Bullshit, that character didn't state one scientific fact or offer any analysis, he simply regurgitated things any retard could tell you, such as "jet aircraft sometimes make contrails". It's apparent that you worship anyone who agrees with you, and close your ears, eyes, and mind to anything which proves you wrong. You apparently have ignored the link concerning the NOAA's weather modification projects. It's apparent you don't care about the topic, and are simply here to argue with people. All I can say is, adios Mr. Bozo.
One last thing PSUSA. It would not surprise me in the least if you are a government plant here on 4um. Besides taking the stance that chemtrails don't exist, and anyone who thinks they do is ignorant or worse, you seem to be an agent provocateur in terms of race baiting. Your posts typically are hate orientated and contain a generous sprinkling of the word "nigger", where you apparently think ALL black people are "niggers". Either you're some sort of extreme racist from the likes of StormFront, or you're here to make the forum look bad. Either way, I don't find it worth speaking with you any longer at this point.
You're actually trying to say the larger trail is at a higher altitude than the smaller trail? LOL!!!!!!!! What left that larger trail, an alien mothership from "V"?
Run away! Run Away! You repeat yourself like a broken record, ignore the facts, analysis, and calculations I gave, and make ludicrous and ridiculous claims. You presented no facts, and no analysis, and your calculations are a joke because you guess at what numbers to plug into your calculations, and you repeated yourself like a broken record. You are like a little kid playing at being a scientist. It's apparent that you worship anyone who agrees with you, and close your ears, eyes, and mind to anything which proves you wrong. Uh huh. I gave you the opportunity, right out in the open, to present someone qualified that could verify chemtrails to both our satisfaction. You refused to do so. Even though I did it. THere was no guarantee that he would agree with me, But, since I am on bozo now, I present this for the others here.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Oh geez, here we go again with the Secret Agent bullshit. Chemtrails don't exist. Saying that does not make one a "agent", you silly fuck. But again, since I am on bozo, I present this for other readers that should take it for what they think it's worth. Your posts typically are hate orientated and contain a generous sprinkling of the word "nigger", where you apparently think ALL black people are "niggers". What's the matter? Are you a nigger? Interesting that you bring that up in a discussion on contrails. You will do anything to distract.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Somehow they use their superpowers, including RadarVision to gain plane and altitude info, and WeatherVision to gain weather conditions at these altitudes. Must be nice to have superpowers. And whats even more amazing, is that they can tell these things from a video! Perhaps they also have RemoteViewing superpowers.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or kinda low rent superpowers... i asked 15 questions, all critical to determining what's going on in that video, and, so far, they cant come up with one answer.
Here is what chemtrails are really about.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_se eding You'll discover that airports and Air Forces routinely use it for "hail and fog suppression". Takeoff and landings are safer with cloud seeding.
What does it matter? Contrails dissipate and disappear quickly. So one is a contrail and the other isn't. Your questions are irrelevant.
That might be a very small part of what they are for.
I emailed Clifford Carnicom to see if that email worked and he replied that yes it does. Email him and ask him these questions. See what he says. What do you have to lose?
See post 42 Can't you find someone better than that? I mean, seriously, find someone better and doesn't have an agenda? Someone neutral? Someone that knows what he is talking about?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or cec102@usa.com
that doesn't appear to me to be the same thing as the multiple planes doing the crisscross patterns. this thread is long and i haven't read it all, but has anyone explained the difference between one plane with a con? chem? trail behind it as opposed to 2 and sometimes 3 crisscrossing over the same area for hours?
how do you know they're the same 2 or 3 planes? the fact that you repeatedly get contrials over the same spot is explained by the fact that a ground-based navigation aid that determines the route of a federal airway is located beneath the planes' flight path. parallel contrails are often indication of a crosswind: a plane flies over a navaid at X time of day in a 40 mph crosswind... ...then, at X + 15 minutes, another plane flies over the same navaid, and in the meantime, the contrail from the original plane has moved downwind 10 miles.
Meanwhile, back in the real world....
here's piece of a IFR_high_altitude_en_route_chart... IFR high altitude en route chart section crisscrossing can be explained by planes bypassing navaid stations, or by planes who've filed flight plans "direct"... planes which use GPS, loran, ADF (including commerical AM radio stations), inertial navigation or other navigation systems that are independent of ground- based navaids.
google image Results 1 - 21 of about 201,000 for high altitude enroute chart
something else that ought to be mentioned, especially if you live in central texas: texas is infested with military flight schools. very few people are "natural" pilots... most pilots have to be trained in formation flying, combat tactics and manuevers, instrument approaches, everything... for instance, if you're practicing instrument approaches, you will practice at high altitude so you dont gum the works up for people who actually want to land at the airport you're practicing on... not to mention that jets get lots better mileage at high altitudes. all this training activity can result in otherwise nonsensical-appearing flight patterns and contrails.
See christine, you apparently never noticed all those trails in the sky till you read about it on the Internet, and groundresonance just taught you about what your sky looks like, with all those jets flying at high altitudes, even though the chemtrails you're seeing are probably at 10,000 feet or less...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThat doesn't mean that your math isn't BS. You are plugging in numbers that are your best guess, but you are still guessing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)
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#27. To: FormerLurker (#25)
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#28. To: PSUSA, FormerLurker (#27)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#29. To: wudidiz (#28)
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#30. To: PSUSA (#27)
He knows they are crap. But perhaps you'd like a second opinion? And if that second opinion disagrees with you, you would then like a third opinion? Rinse and repeat?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: FormerLurker (#30)
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Yeah, that's a real scientific answer....
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#32. To: PSUSA (#31)
... supplied by someone that knows what he is talking about. So, he is "in" on "it"? "They" got to him? Man, "they" sure are all-powerful!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: PSUSA (#31)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: PSUSA (#31)
I wonder if he goes out into the desert to worship the devil and eat roasted babies and plot our destruction with his reptilian masters.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: PSUSA (#29)
Hmmm. OK. Who should I ask? Tell me who would be able to answer these questions if not a meteorologist?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)
Try NOAA...
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#37. To: PSUSA (#36)
OK, give me the name of a person there. Or better yet, why don't you write them yourself?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)
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#39. To: PSUSA (#38)
CHIMPOUT!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)
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#41. To: PSUSA, FormerLurker (#38)
So you pick the person.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#42. To: wudidiz (#41)
carnicominstitute.info
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#43. To: PSUSA (#40)
You're not rational.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: FormerLurker (#43)
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Hey bud, I gave you the science, I explained it all to you. If you're too fucking stupid to understand it, then don't waste my time.
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#45. To: PSUSA (#44)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: PSUSA, All (#45)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: wudidiz (#0)
#48. To: groundresonance (#47)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: FormerLurker (#45)
I think you belong on bozo.
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#50. To: FormerLurker (#46)
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One last thing PSUSA. It would not surprise me in the least if you are a government plant here on 4um. Besides taking the stance that chemtrails don't exist, and anyone who thinks they do is ignorant or worse, you seem to be an agent provocateur in terms of race baiting.
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#51. To: groundresonance (#47)
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#52. To: PSUSA (#51)
(Edited)
Must be nice to have superpowers.
#53. To: wudidiz (#0)
#54. To: groundresonance, FormerLurker, all (#47)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#55. To: Googolplex (#53)
Here is what chemtrails are really about..
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#56. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, christine (#40)
So you pick the person.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#57. To: wudidiz (#56)
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#58. To: PSUSA (#57)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#59. To: Googolplex, ALL (#53)
#60. To: christine (#59)
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...2 and sometimes 3 crisscrossing over the same area for hours?
#61. To: All (#60)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#62. To: christine (#59)
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#63. To: All (#62)
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#64. To: christine (#59)
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#65. To: christine, groundresonance (#64)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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