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Title: crop circles 2009
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWMBh3WleE&feature=related
Published: Mar 21, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-03-21 01:44:47 by buckeroo
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Views: 3153
Comments: 105
Poster Comment: April 2010 is right around the corner. Crop circles are notorious about this month and through the harvest season around the world.
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#51. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker (#50)
FormerLurker will be the first to deny all scientific evidence.... just like Mr. wudiditz
You're insane. Of course, you'll never post an image of that man-made crop circle you claim you witnessed, more than likely because you never witnessed it. I find it IMPLAUSIBLE that we are alone in this universe, and find it incredible that people are so short sighted and can ignore SO much evidence, all because they cling to their religious beliefs that don't allow them to think beyond some book a bunch of desert people pieced together thousands of years ago.
Oh is that right bucky. Please point out ANY thing scientific that either you or farmfriend posted. Have you even researched the topic at all,, or did you skip over those reports which point out evidence of molecular abnormalities in the bent vegetation, and are here just trolling and talking out of your ass as usual?
BTW, the bottom two ARE man-made, the rest are of "unknown" origin, and I'd pretty much bet they weren't created by anyone born in this time on this planet.
I think most of us share your opinion but what I don't share is your zeal that an alien culture gives a damned about us. And if they did, I am confident in all their creativity to come all this way to do nothing more than make a few crop circles in some wheat and relative grain crops during harvest season.
Think of it like this: I am making a crop circle.
Here's a few more images of that human butterfly formation. It's EXTREMELY large, I just can't see a bunch of drunken college kids, or ANYONE ELSE for that matter, being able to create it in the middle of the night with a bunch of sticks and some rope. If you think that it would be possible for it to be done that way, you are engaging in magical thinking, where you believe the impossible is possible simply because you can't accept the idea that it might have been created by those you believe can't exist. There is evidence that we had visitors from the heavens even back to prehistoric times. The Indian Vedic legends speak of sky ships, and the Sumerian legends speak of gods from another planet who taught them science, agriculture, and government. The Universe may well be a VERY busy place, and we are just noticing those interactions more than in the past due to our technological advancements this past century.
I'd really like to see some college kids try to copy this one, even in the day time with as many people as they can muster up... Is it not apparent to you that there are mathematical formulas embedded in many of them, and also that some may just be there to awaken those who somehow cling to the idea that there can't be people from other worlds or other realities here visiting us?
Once again you twist what I said. I never, NEVER, said I witnessed anything. Watching a documentary is hardly witnessing anything. I also never maid the claim that we are alone in the universe. Nor did I link any of it with religion in any form.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Those are man made. I find it incredible that you would believe it is more plausible that aliens from a distant galaxy did this rather than a group of creative college students. Why discard a plausible explanation for an implausible one? The data is what it is. Yes, some crop circles have been hoaxed, but there are a significant number that show anomalies that are not in keeping with a bunch of large footed college students or two drunks hanging out at an English Pub. I do believe that some of them are government staged - and again the reasoning goes back to the planned controlled society that our would be Psychiatric masters want. People inspired and intrigued by new and unusual phenomena start asking questions and thinking. Not good from the view of our social controllers who want a hive of placid cud chewers. Pranksters lose interest very quickly and they do not have the power to produce magnetic fields nor create genetic changes in the crops. There are other anomalies as well - such as the apparent softening of the plant tissues in the area of the bend - such that they are laid over without external physical damage. So, given their complex structure and time it takes to create them we can say from the evidence that: 1. They show signs of advanced creative intelligence (unless they are created by some physical phenomena of which we are unaware). 2. The volume and complexity, along with geographic distribution, argue against a group of frat boys out on a lark. Although easy to conjure up in the mind it is not the simplest explanation as the logistics, planning, and mathematical precision with which the apparently legitimate circles are laid down would require some very sophisticated planning and I doubt they could be done in one night - particularly the fractals and attractor patterns as the symmetry and placement are not just close but precisely on. What we do know is that many of them are simply unexplained. We can observe, and investigate but the reality is that despite attempts to explain them away they continue happening as a phenomena which is unexplained by any known science. However, as I mentioned earlier we can see the signs of advanced intelligence, and by implication some very sophisticated mathematics in their design. Who and why is an unknown.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent has the same faith in extraterrestrial origins of crop circles as he has in "chemtrails". Original_Intent provides the same amount of proof of extraterrestrial origins of crop circles as he provides for the existence of "chemtrails". none
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You said you saw one demonstrated by college students that would rival anything I could show you, and later claimed the ones I showed you were man-made, so excuse me if I misunderstood, but that is what I thought you meant. The perfectly symmetrical patterns covering sqaure miles worth of terrain are obviously NOT man-made. In terms of religion, I was assuming that was the reason you were dismissing this phenomenon as simply the work of pranksters, since that is the most implausible explanation there is, yet would be the norm for someone whose religion doesn't allow them to think beyond it.
In post #30 which was after post #22 where it was stated to be a TV show. You assume too much. Obviously you have missed the few posts I have made on religion or you would not have made such a poor assumption. And religious reasons for dismissing this phenomenon are not the most plausible. I do so based on what I know about science and space etc.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Are you seriously trying to say that the formations seen in wheat fields are as easily created as simply creating paintings with colored sand in a confined area?
What part of science explains crop circles then?
Science doesn't explain crop circles. It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." How so?
What does this look like to you? Or how about this object, recorded over Nellis AFB in Nevada?
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
Did your mother have any children that lived?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We live in a galaxy made up of hundreds of millions of stars, and even if you limit systems with the possibility of harboring life to Type G Yellow Dwarfs like our own sun they still number in the millions - in just our galaxy. The numbers of galaxies is an unknown but the number is in the hundreds of millions. This conjures up Carl Sagan's "billions and billions of stars". So far every star which astronomers have been able to examine closely enough has planets. So, the likelihood of habitable planets numbering in the "billions and billions" is mathematically so close to unity as to have the difference be insignificant. UFO's have existed as a phenomena prior to our having flight. There is a small number of old paintings that appear to have UFOs painted into them in the background. We know that there are artifacts on at least the moon and Mars. We have the photographs of them and while the intellectually blind are incapable of seeing what is clearly present in the photographs that does not reduce their worth as evidence. When I was overseas they were published in a Stars and Stripes article wherein the author said that the photos had been looked at by military Photo Intelligence Experts and in their professional opinion the Martian artifacts were clearly artificial. At this point the denial simply means that some have a world view so fixed that clear evidence is denied not because it is invalid but because it does not fit their prejudices and preconceptions. So, we know that there is evidence already for other advanced civilizations even if they are, in astronomic terms, just two doors down. So, my personal opinion denying the virtual certainty of other life in the universe is parochial, short sighted, willful blindness.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone. In fact, it's quite possible that alien visitors are hostile or view us as lab animals, so it's not that I REALLY want it to be true, it's more of knowing there's enough evidence to indicate that it IS true.
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
How delightfully insipid - the presumption that everyone in the universe shares your intellectual apathy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ah. intergalactic tikkun olam. wonderful.
the theory runs like this: any civilization that's capable of developing intergalactic travel must have been able to cooperate with itself. "cooperation" implies respect. so, if people develop enough respect for each other that they're able to cooperate enough to develop intergalactic travel, they'd most likely respect us, and leave us to our own devices... ...devices which seem, at the moment, to be nuclear.
i spose you could make a case for alien civilizations sending observers to earth... ...but, assuming that a civilization is capable of intergalactic travel, we'd also have to assume that they're old enough, wise enough, accomplished enough, moral enough, that they'd just as soon not watch. it'd be like watching a snuff film, over and over and over again.
Who's insisting that they are from another galaxy? Other civilizations could have easily developed within our own galaxy, in fact, there MIGHT even be some subterranean civilization on Mars, here in our own solar system. There might even be something in the way of a subterranean base on our own Moon. As far as interstellar travel, it's not THAT difficult to achieve, and if we weren't so busy fighting unnecessary wars and giving out billions of dollars to Israel and other beggar nations, then perhaps we could even build an interstellar space vehicle within the next 50 years, if not less. If WE are that close to achieving that milestone, it can't be that uncommon for other civilizations to have reached it, with more than a few reaching it LONG ago.
From my understanding, it takes 12 hours to make those sand paintings. If it takes 12 hours to make those little bitty things, I imagine it would take two or three times as long to make a crop circle as large and intricately designed as some one the ones shown in this thread. Yet these things appear out of no where in the middle of the night in just about every country of the world. I have no idea whether its space creatures or the wind or who is making them, but I have a hard time accepting, nor have I ever seen evidence of anyone being able to make the type of complicated crop circles as seen above in the span of one night. It would take a huge crew of people.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
We do? Can you present some sort of description or pictures of them?
I bet photographs of human births can be faked too, but that doesn't mean humans don't exist.
That YouTube presentation probably wasn't fair with respect to your earlier posts. I would enjoy seeing some form of direct evidence, however. And, I don't know of any.
BTW, I wonder which government agency your good buddy Michael Shermer works for. No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try. Looks like the Firefox symbol.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes sir. You should be able to click on the picture to see that it was a planned event by a pile of college kids. The pictorial anthology from start to finish is just a click away, above.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThose are man made. I find it incredible that you would believe it is more plausible that aliens from a distant galaxy did this rather than a group of creative college students. Why discard a plausible explanation for an implausible one?
#52. To: farmfriend (#50)
Those are man made.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
FormerLurker will be the first to deny all scientific evidence.... just like Mr. wudiditz
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: farmfriend (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: FormerLurker (#52)
I find it IMPLAUSIBLE that we are alone in this universe
#56. To: FormerLurker (#53)
... and talking out of your ass as usual?
#57. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: buckeroo (#55)
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I think most of us share your opinion but what I don't share is your zeal that an alien culture gives a damned about us.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: farmfriend (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: buckeroo (#55)
And if they did, I am confident in all their creativity to come all this way to do nothing more than make a few crop circles in some wheat and relative grain crops during harvest season.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#52)
You're insane. Of course, you'll never post an image of that man-made crop circle you claim you witnessed, more than likely because you never witnessed it.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#62. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker, Lod (#50)
Did the man-made one you saw look anything like these?
#63. To: Original_Intent (#62)
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#64. To: Original_Intent (#62)
#65. To: farmfriend (#61)
I never, NEVER, said I witnessed anything.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: FormerLurker (#65)
You said you saw one demonstrated by college students that would rival anything I could show you,
In terms of religion, I was assuming that was the reason you were dismissing this phenomenon as simply the work of pranksters, since that is the most implausible explanation there is,
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#67. To: groundresonance (#64)
Results 1 - 18 of about 1,170,000 for navajo sand paintings
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: farmfriend (#66)
I do so based on what I know about science and space etc
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#68)
What part of science explains crop circles then?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#70. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, buckeroo, 4 (#71)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#73. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#72)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#74. To: groundresonance (#63)
#75. To: buckerooLod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#73)
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We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
#76. To: buckeroo, Lod, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#73)
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: All (#64)
#78. To: groundresonance (#77)
#79. To: Original_Intent (#78)
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#80. To: Original_Intent (#78)
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#81. To: All (#80)
#82. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent, All (#77)
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#64)
#84. To: FormerLurker (#76)
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#75)
We know that there are artifacts [from intelligent life forms] on at least the moon and Mars.
#86. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
#88. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#88)
No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
#90. To: buckeroo (#89)
Lord Acton
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
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