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Published: Mar 21, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-03-21 01:44:47 by buckeroo
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Poster Comment: April 2010 is right around the corner. Crop circles are notorious about this month and through the harvest season around the world.
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I still see these "circles" as language. Until we get a "rosetta stone" equiv. we'll not comprehend.
These are interesting. IMO some of them are much too complicated for people to have done in one night, and especially not leaving a trace. I'd like to know who or what is doing this. I don't think all of them are hoaxes.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or PSUSA: IMO some of them are much too complicated for people to have done in one night, and especially not leaving a trace. Below, Jaime Maussan (commentator from Mexico) shows a bit more than just some pictures but on the ground and sky views of the phenomena. It is an excellent series if you are interested in this detail. It is a little rough for those lacking Spanish but it actually is the best documentary I have seen for last year. I[t] is about 60 minutes of your time. Crop circles are fantastick. I bet if we could get pictures of this graffiti to whatever alien taxpayers sent these guys to explore strange new worlds to show them how their money is being wasted, these things would disappear for good. ;-)
Whatever they mean, and however they were made, it was not by a bunch of morons in the middle of the night. imo
Mind-numbingly beautiful. The symmetry is just unbelievable.
The two most important crop circles ever. No joke This one raised the hair on the back of my neck.
When they start communicating in computer coding, best we start paying really, really close attention.
Who the freak knows? When you see Menorahs, and the Masonic Eye, what the hell are we to think, believe, or imagine?
I dont know why he went off on a HAARP tangent. But there were some more great pics there. There is intelligence behind these designs. I just wish I knew who the intelligence belongs to. I know UFOs are real. I dont know if there is a connection to circles or not. Too many interested parties are making that leap based on incomplete information. I wish people wouldn't speculate so much.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Good question. Here is another explanation: Adrian Potts, landlord of the Barge Inn outside Pewsey in Wiltshire, was pretty cheerful yesterday morning. The pub, on the Avon Kennet canal, is the centre of the British crop circle industry and each year, starting in early May and running for about four months, circle fans (and circle-makers) turn up from round the world. The backroom of the pub has circles on the ceiling, news of the latest formations is posted, and the chat revolves around the images that have been appearing for more than 20 years in the fields of southern England. Potts has sold many pints on the back of crop circles, but for the last few years the Barge has been quiet. "In the late 1990s and through to 2002, [the crop circle trade] was massive. On a sunny day we'd have people here by 10am. But it dropped off and the last few years have been dreadful. The last two summers have been terrible - both in terms of weather and of circles," he says. There are many explanations as to why the circles barely appeared in Wiltshire. The suicide of one of the chief circle-makers in 2006 and the death of two others, as well as boredom in the ranks of pranksters, have all been cited. Mostly, though, it is thought that heavy rain and high winds have made crops hard to handle and have deterred aliens and humans alike. But just as the demise of the peculiarly English rural tradition was predicted, the circles - which can take the shape of DNA structures, scorpions, snowflakes, helices, webs, knots and complex geometric patterns - have abruptly returned in force. The 2009 season began in April with an unprecedented six formations. The first was a series of simple circles in a field of rape; then came a 350ft yin-yang symbol in a barley field near Devizes. Three ambitious formations were reported over the last bank holiday and on Tuesday this week a giant 600ft jellyfish was found in a barley field on Bill and Sally Ann Spence's farm near Kingston Coombes in Oxfordshire. As of yesterday, there have been more than 20 major formations spotted. Potts, who could claim to be something of an expert on the subject, has a hunch that this will be a good summer for circles: "The crops are not true enough yet. Weather permitting, I'd say the best ones will start now. In the next two weeks there should be a burst of activity." Francine Blake, who founded the Wiltshire crop circle study group in 1995, shares Potts's optimism. She and other self-appointed investigators identify, measure, photograph, and report on all formations. They go circle-spotting at night in likely places, send crop stalks for chemical analysis in university laboratories (yes, really), and have more than 6,000 crop circles on their database. She was excited by the jellyfish: "It's fantastic. When we look at it, it's got seven small circles, or moon shapes. It's describing the magnetic field of Earth," she says. She too is optimistic about the summer ahead: "This year started much earlier. There's one every day now. It is very intense already. I have never seen such complex designs in rape in all my years of studying this subject. Usually, the season starts with a nice little pattern, a tri-petal flower or such like, one or maybe two in rape if we are lucky. But this year they are big, complex and numerous right from the start." "What does this mean?" Blake asks on her blog. "It means that we have to take note that something extraordinary is happening. Crop circles are not normal occurrences, they do not fit in too well with our usual beliefs. This of course is not to everyone's liking - it is not easy to face the unknown." From this you may gather that Blake eschews more prosaic explanations for the circles. In fact the professional circle world divides neatly. One hemisphere is occupied by questors, spiritualists and paranormalists, such as Blake; the other by makers, tricksters and artists. The first group can tell from post-holes, foot tracks, and other clear signs that the majority are made by humans. But they argue that many crop circles - perhaps 20% - defy rational explanation. Their research suggests that "true circles" are created in a very few minutes by a blast of energy. According to some, the crop cells become swollen and are bent down at the nodes, or joints. Others say the cellular structure of the plants is affected and that the composition of the soil is altered. A few circles, they say, display a phenomenal level of complexity and would be difficult to draw on paper, let alone in a field after dark. When they cannot explain what they see, they turn to UFOs, aliens, symbols, alchemy, ancient wisdom, sacred geometry, whirlwinds, the fingerprints of God or unknown "entities" to explain what they say are messages from extra-terrestrials or signs and portents of the times. The second group is made up of artists and pranksters. What began in the late 1970s with two Wiltshire watercolour artists, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, going into the fields for a laugh to create simple circles to tease those who believe in UFOs, was picked up by London-based artists and sculptors in the mid-1990s. One group, now calling themselves the Circlemakers, includes situationist artists Rod Dickinson and John Lundberg, the sculptor Gavin Turk, Rob Irving and others. They say on their website that they latched on to the circle believers, created images from reading the same books that the believers read, and that they now team up with other teams of circle-makers to create ambitious formations. Together they say they have made crop circles an essential part of our popular culture, part of the myth of the English countryside. "We weren't pushing paint around on a canvas that sat in a sterile gallery environment; we were quite literally forming and shaping the culture that surrounded us," Lundberg said in 2004. "We are the heretics, calling their belief system into question by the mere fact that we exist and talk about our circle-making activities. Sometimes this spills over into threatening behaviour on the part of the believer. We've had potatoes stuck up our exhausts, wing mirrors ripped off of our cars, and threats of physical violence, in person, over the phone, via email and through our letterboxes." For a long time the Circlemakers kept their identities secret but they now openly claim to have made many hundreds of circles. However, they play the game that there is some inexplicable force out there by not claiming to have made them all, and never revealing which particular ones they created. Those in the other camp are adamant the Circlemakers are destructive. "They used to call themselves Team Satan. They live in south London and it takes them days to make them even in daylight. They have nothing to do with the phenomenon," says Blake. The other reason why there may have been fewer circles in recent years is that leading circle-makers are growing up, and can now command big money. Formations are now regularly commissioned by multinational companies, advertising agencies and the media. Nike, Pepsi, BBC1, Greenpeace, Sky, Weetabix, Big Brother, Mitsubishi, Thompson Holidays and O2 have all paid circle-makers tens of thousands of pounds for a night's work. They have been made for pop videos, corporate parties, TV dramas and ads. The Sun paid for one to publicise its campaign to bring the Olympics to Britain. From being genuinely intriguing, amusing and innocent folk art, the formations have become worth millions of pounds to the Wiltshire tourist industry. Farmers, too, can make thousands of pounds, either in compensation from companies wanting to have their logos plastered in their fields, or from charging people £2 each to walk in a circled field. One farmer near Stonehenge is said to have made about £30,000 by charging tourists to visit circles on his land. The "believers" also make money from conferences, books, magazines, and calendars, lectures and sightseeing tours. "A good aerial picture of a sophisticated circle picked up by TV or the press can make tens of thousands of pounds," says the head of one picture agency, who asked not to be named. "Everyone is at it." Of course some farmers are furious to find their crops flattened. They do tend to stand up again, however, after they've been bent over; normally this is enough to smooth most feathers. And no one is suggesting that this year's circles have been commissioned by tourist boards, or have been sponsored by corporations. But it's more than likely that someone will make money from the photographs, the field, or the design of these latest additions to the oeuvre. Blake dismisses any idea that the phenomenon is driven by art or by money. "Something important is happening. It's raining shapes every day now. Nothing man-made could be like this. That's why people can't get their heads round it." How to make a crop circle • Prepare a detailed drawing. Keep it simple. Circles and triangles are relatively easy to make. Advanced curves, spirals, straight lines, fractals and pictures can take a long time to mark out and work. • You will need helpers; decide who will do what and in what order the image needs to be constructed. • You will need a marked rope or a 100ft measuring tape to mark out the site, and a foot-wide wooden board about 4ft long to do the flattening. The board should have ropes attached to each end so you can loop it over your neck. • Ask permission from a farmer and be prepared to pay compensation. A crop circle can cause hundreds of pounds of damage. • Wait for a moonlit night when it is dry. Enter the field by the tramlines, or marks left by tractors. • Mark out the field carefully. Some circle makers use sticks or poles but these can leave tell-tale holes of human intervention. • Put the rope round your neck, with the board on the ground in front of you; press down with your right foot, move it forward, press it down again, and so on. • Leave the field the same way you entered. • Hide your tracks. Makes me pine for the ol' Spirograph. : ) I tried to find one for me and my kiddies, but they don't make them anymore. You have to purchase one off of E-Bay and hope all the parts are in the box. Of course, they want "antique" pricing.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I love it! The Firefox logo. Another fun thread!
I do not believe that these creations are man-made.
I do.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Don't think, just blindly hate with fury merely for a warped aesthetic preference in other words; right? I prefer speculation; it means people are using their minds to think for themselves. You prefer blind impulse and the seduction of a one size fits all hatred. I actually wish yo would use your brain and speculate more. You have many things you need to re-think and find the true perspective of. I have read the E activism threads in Storm Front that talk about going forth to other forums to seed them with bigotry. I know you could well be from there and know why you do what you do. However, in the end you will fail; and you are your own worst enemy.
Aren't those crop circles from last year AWESOME! They get better every year. I am hoping that 2010 reveals some new artwork to inspire us. Over time, they have become increasingly complex.
Yes, they are like an unspoken challenge. See if you can top this! I believe it is groups of college students doing this. It would be interesting to see how many of these have colleges in near by town. Seems like I remember one TV show having a contest to see if these can be created in one night with very successful results.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Well, planting season will soon enough come to the northern hemisphere, and I'm looking forward to seeing what this year's offerings/signals/messages will look like. They still look other-worldly to my simple mind.
See groundresonance's post#16 on this thread ... if that isn't called fun, I don't know what is. Those links are too cool.
All of the man-made crop circles committed by hoaxsters LOOK man-made, and are not perfectly symmetric like the circles which are made by unknown entitites.
Well said. I am not convinced that all of them are college pranksters of local pub drunks or landlords attempting to make a few bucks. As yourself, those designs are exquisite and truly capture your imagination about significance. Still, the original pranksters in the UK caused my doubt and give the increasing technical detail, I think it is possible to perform this stuff (given a team of friends) to make MORE of it. If there truly were some form of message ( from anyone), why don't the crop circles become simpler with time?
i'd be more inclined to accept the possibility of divine or alien intervention if one of these things would appear in a field without tractor tracks in it, with features that werent connected to each other by at least a narrow path, or features that werent within jumping distance of another feature. we need one perfect design in a dense field of vegetation (dense enough to reveal footprints) without tractor tracks, consisting of multiple features isolated from each other by more than polevaulting distance. might be an interesting project for a billionaire who owns a helicopter.
I might add one teenie tiny, tid bit: I haven't seen a popularly photographed crop circle that was poorly constructed anywhere. It isn't like a pile of pranksters never make mistakes, year after year. And this stuff has been on-going for years around the world.
who's gonna waste film and publicity on a slipshod crop circle? anyhow, let's start thinking of tools... how bout, for more-or-less instant circles... (that would be the smaller circles) a piece of steel tubing, with a hole drilled in it so you can slip it over a piece rebar you've driven into the ground to serve as a pivot. you could even make the steel tubing telescopic, so you could do different sizes of circles with one tool. just rotate the tubing once on the rebar, and you've got your perfect circle.
Not true. I saw one demonstrated by college students that rivaled anything you can show me. Clean lines, complex geometry etc. It was even done at night in the dark.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Good point. Obviously, were there one, we've not yet got the message(s). The ASCII field was kinda mind-boggling to me, as well as the one with the menorah. As one poster noted, we need a rosetta stone for these circles to be deciphered.
* By Rob Irving and Peter Brookesmith When Doug Bower and his co-conspirator Dave Chorley first created a representation of a “flying saucer nest” in a wheat field in Wiltshire, England, in 1976, they could not have foreseen that their work would become a cultural phenomenon. Almost as soon as crop circles became public knowledge, they attracted a gaggle of self-appointed experts. An efflorescence of mystical and magical thinking, scientific and pseudo-scientific research, conspiracy theories and general pandemonium broke out. The patterns stamped in fields were treated as a lens through which the initiated could witness the activity of earth energies and ancient spirits, the anguish of Mother Earth in the face of impending ecological doom, and evidence of secret weapons testing and, of course, aliens. Today, one of the more vigorously promoted ideas is that they are messages, buried in complex numerological codes, concerning a Great Change connected to the pre-Columbian Mayan calendar and due to occur in 2012. To appreciate how these exotic responses arose, we need to delve a little into history. Before today’s circle-makers entered the picture, there had been scattered reports of odd patterns appearing in crops, ranging from 17th century pamphlets to an 1880 account in Nature to a letter from astronomer Patrick Moore printed in 1963 in New Scientist. In Australia, the mid- to late-1960s saw occasional reports of circles in crops, and they were often ascribed to UFO landings. At around the same time in England, the Wiltshire town of Warminster became a center of UFO-seeking “sky watches” and gave birth to its own rumors of crop circles, or “saucer nests.” None of these, unfortunately, was photographed. It was such legends that Bower had in mind when, over a drink one evening in 1976, he suggested to his pal Chorley: “Let’s go over there and make it look like a flying saucer has landed.” It was time, thought Doug, to see a saucer nest for himself. Since then, crop circles have been reported worldwide in a multitude of crops. In southern England, which sees most activity, circle-makers tend to concentrate on canola, barley and wheat. These grow and are harvested in an overlapping progression: canola from April through May, barley throughout May and June, and wheat from June until early September. In recent years the occasional rudimentary pattern has been found in corn, extending the crop circle season as late as October. Since Bower and Chorley’s circles appeared, the geometric designs have escalated in scale and complexity, as each year teams of anonymous circle-makers lay honey traps for New Age tourists. A crucial clue to the circles’ allure lies in their geographical context. Wiltshire is the home of Stonehenge and an even more extensive stone circle in the village of Avebury. The rolling downs are dotted with burial mounds and solitary standing stones, which many believe to be connected by an extensive network of “leys,” or paths of energy linking these enchanted sites with others around the country. It is said that this vast network is overlaid in the form of “sacred geometries.” The region has also given rise to a rich folklore of spectral black dogs, headless coachmen and haunted houses. Crop circles are a lens through which we can explore the nature and appeal of hoaxes. Fakes, counterfeits and forgeries are all around us in the everyday world—from dud $50 bills to spurious Picassos. People’s motives for taking the unreal as real are easily discerned: we trust our currency, and many people would like to own a Picasso. The nebulous world of the anomalous and the paranormal is even richer soil for hoaxers. A large proportion of the population believes in ghosts, angels, UFOs and ET visitations, fairies, psychokinesis and other strange phenomena. These beliefs elude scientific examination and proof. And it’s just such proof that the hoaxer brings to the table for those hungry for evidence that their beliefs are not deluded. False evidence intended to corroborate an existing legend is known to folklorists as “ostension.” This process also inevitably extends the legend. For, even if the evidence is eventually exposed as false, it will have affected people’s perceptions of the phenomenon it was intended to represent. Faked photographs of UFOs, Loch Ness monsters and ghosts generally fall under the heading of ostension. Another example is the series of photographs of fairies taken by Elsie Wright and Frances Griffiths at Cottingley, Yorkshire, between 1917 and 1920. These show that the motive for producing such evidence may come from belief, rather than from any wish to mislead or play pranks. One of the girls insisted till her dying day that she really had seen fairies—the manufactured pictures were a memento of her real experience. And the photos were taken as genuine by such luminaries as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle—the great exponent, in his Sherlock Holmes stories, of logic. The desire to promote evidence of anomalous and paranormal events as genuine springs from deep human longings. One is a gesture toward rationalism—the notion that nothing is quite real unless it’s endorsed by reasoned argument, and underwritten by more or less scientific proofs. But the human soul longs for enchantment. Those who don’t find their instinctive sense of the numinous satisfied by art, literature or music—let alone the discoveries of science itself—may well turn to the paranormal to gratify an intuition that mystery dwells at the heart of existence. Such people are perfectly placed to accept hoaxed evidence of unexplained powers and entities as real. And so, the annual appearance of ever more complex patterns in the wheat fields of southern England is taken by “croppies”—the devotees who look beyond any prosaic solution for deeper explanations—as signs and wonders and prophecies. The croppies do, however, accept that some people, some of the time, are making some of the formations. They regard these human circle-makers as a nuisance, contaminators of the “evidence,” and denounce them as “hoaxers.” The term is well chosen, for it implies social deviance. And therein lies the twist in the story. In croppy culture, common parlance is turned on its head. The word “genuine” usually implies that something has a single, identifiable origin, of established provenance. To the croppy it means the opposite: a “genuine” circle is of unknown provenance, or not man-made—a mystery, in other words. It follows that the man-made circle is a “hoax.” Those circle-makers who are prepared to comment on this semantic reversal do so with some amusement. As far as they’re concerned, they are creating art in the fields. In keeping with New Age thought, it is by dissociating with scientific tradition that the circle-makers return art to a more unified function, where images and objects are imbued with special powers. This art is intended to be a provocative, collective and ritual enterprise. And as such, it is often inherently ambiguous and open to interpretation. To the circle-maker, the greater the range of interpretations inspired in the audience the better. Both makers and interpreters have an interest in the circles being perceived as magical, and this entails their tacit agreement to avoid questions of authorship. This is essentially why croppies regard “man-made” circles as a distraction, a “contamination.” Paradoxically, and unlike almost all other modern forms of art, a crop circle’s potential to enchant is animated and energized by the anonymity of its author(s). Doug Bower now tells friends that he wishes he had kept quiet and continued his nocturnal jaunts in secret. Both circle-makers and croppies are really engaged in a kind of game, whose whole purpose is to keep the game going, to prolong the mystery. After all, who would travel thousands of miles and trek through a muddy field to see flattened wheat if it were not imbued with otherworldly mystique? As things stand, the relationship between the circle-makers and those who interpret their work has become a curious symbiosis of art and artifice, deception and belief. All of which raises the question: Who’s hoaxing whom? there's no doubt what's going on... these crop circles are made by an alien race that's developed interstellar travel, and the crop circles are intelligence tests. the aliens are trying to decide whether or not intelligent life exists on earth. if we fail to figure the crop circles out, life on earth will be exterminated, earth itself will be overhauled so it can support alien life (ammonia atmosphere and nitric acid seas) to serve as an advance base for the aliens' conquest of the universe.
As things stand, the relationship between the circle-makers and those who interpret their work has become a curious symbiosis of art and artifice, deception and belief. All of which raises the question: Who’s hoaxing whom? perfect
After centuries of circles, and especially today with all our cameras and recorders, would not someone have infiltrated the hoaxers, and exposed them?
Not really. Secrecy is part of the game. Believing as I do that these are done by college kids, I'm sure they stick to friends and people they trust. Infiltration would be difficult and how would you know who was planning on doing circles etc?
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." From time to time, they are. Groundresonance brought up a group of college students at Oregon State. It's back up the thread a bit. And the article you are responding to is cause celebrie with Doug Bower and his co-conspirator Dave Chorley. BTW, Chorley just murdered himself over this stuff. And the only reason Bower was found out was because of his suspicious wife, thinking he was having an affair at late night hours. Bower's last crop circle was in 2004.
Good grief. Of all things to off yourself. I will inform the 4 if any of our corn and bean fields, in Iowa, have a visitation of any sort this year.
according to this article from manchester.com, chorley died in a hospital of cancer in 1997. i guess the article could be a hoax. EDIT: whoops... make that 1996.
I shall check. I am sure he offed himself.
My error. It wasn't Chorley ... it was Paul Obee, see below: By Anil Dawar The death of one of the leading lights of England's crop-circle world has led to a fall in agricultural artwork, it emerged yesterday. Friends of Paul Obee admitted they had been devastated by his suicide this year and no longer had the will go out and create the circles. Fellow "croppie" Andrew Byrne, 41, said: "There was a slump in crop circle-making after Paul's death. The community of circle-makers was whacked by his death because we're all quite close. People just didn't want to go out and make them." The huge intricate patterns that adorn fields are believed by some to be the work of a paranormal force. In reality the geometric designs are created at night by "landscape artists" who are considered vandals by many. The designs attract tourists from around the world. Wiltshire, where Mr Obee lived, has seen a slump in the activity of the crop-circle makers in what is traditionally their peak season. The professional driver from Horton, near Devizes, was found dead in his Volkswagon Polo by a walker on a remote country track in May. The engine was running with a pipe feeding exhaust fumes into the car, which contained two suicide notes. He had also sent his partner, Debbie Keogh, a hand-written journal in the post entitled These Are My Last Words, in which he told her: "I want to go off and see what's on the other side." Signs have appeared that the county's croppie fraternity, which is based at the Barge Inn in Honeystreet, near Pewsey, have come out of mourning and will continue to work. In recent weeks, a crop-circle jester has appeared in a field at Eastfield, near Alton Priors, a nod to Mr Obee's nickname - "The Fool". Yesterday Nigel Brookes, assistant deputy coroner for Wiltshire, recorded a verdict of suicide on Mr Obee's death. Groundresonance, thanks for forcing the correction. You are a human dyna-mo digging for truth just like the rest of us!
Amen.
Thanks for a most interesting interview that, to me, raised as many questions as it answered. Time to fire up the mower and make some circles in the back yard.
LOL
I find that hard to believe, unless it were a six foot diameter circle or something. Please post an image if you have one. I doubt it was TRULY similar in the way the grass was weaved and/or genetically altered, and that there was no abnormal magnetic readings within the circle, as found in the REAL circles. Did the man-made one you saw look anything like these? Or more like these?
I'm going with man-made, and alien-made circles. It's just easier, and makes my head hurt less.
Your head hurts? Think of how those who hire fellow alien crop circle professionals to do this for them. It must not be cheap, and the travel mile pay must be huge.
Those are man made. I find it incredible that you would believe it is more plausible that aliens from a distant galaxy did this rather than a group of creative college students. Why discard a plausible explanation for an implausible one?
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." FormerLurker will be the first to deny all scientific evidence.... just like Mr. wudiditz
You're insane. Of course, you'll never post an image of that man-made crop circle you claim you witnessed, more than likely because you never witnessed it. I find it IMPLAUSIBLE that we are alone in this universe, and find it incredible that people are so short sighted and can ignore SO much evidence, all because they cling to their religious beliefs that don't allow them to think beyond some book a bunch of desert people pieced together thousands of years ago.
Oh is that right bucky. Please point out ANY thing scientific that either you or farmfriend posted. Have you even researched the topic at all,, or did you skip over those reports which point out evidence of molecular abnormalities in the bent vegetation, and are here just trolling and talking out of your ass as usual?
BTW, the bottom two ARE man-made, the rest are of "unknown" origin, and I'd pretty much bet they weren't created by anyone born in this time on this planet.
I think most of us share your opinion but what I don't share is your zeal that an alien culture gives a damned about us. And if they did, I am confident in all their creativity to come all this way to do nothing more than make a few crop circles in some wheat and relative grain crops during harvest season.
Think of it like this: I am making a crop circle.
Here's a few more images of that human butterfly formation. It's EXTREMELY large, I just can't see a bunch of drunken college kids, or ANYONE ELSE for that matter, being able to create it in the middle of the night with a bunch of sticks and some rope. If you think that it would be possible for it to be done that way, you are engaging in magical thinking, where you believe the impossible is possible simply because you can't accept the idea that it might have been created by those you believe can't exist. There is evidence that we had visitors from the heavens even back to prehistoric times. The Indian Vedic legends speak of sky ships, and the Sumerian legends speak of gods from another planet who taught them science, agriculture, and government. The Universe may well be a VERY busy place, and we are just noticing those interactions more than in the past due to our technological advancements this past century.
I'd really like to see some college kids try to copy this one, even in the day time with as many people as they can muster up... Is it not apparent to you that there are mathematical formulas embedded in many of them, and also that some may just be there to awaken those who somehow cling to the idea that there can't be people from other worlds or other realities here visiting us?
Once again you twist what I said. I never, NEVER, said I witnessed anything. Watching a documentary is hardly witnessing anything. I also never maid the claim that we are alone in the universe. Nor did I link any of it with religion in any form.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Those are man made. I find it incredible that you would believe it is more plausible that aliens from a distant galaxy did this rather than a group of creative college students. Why discard a plausible explanation for an implausible one? The data is what it is. Yes, some crop circles have been hoaxed, but there are a significant number that show anomalies that are not in keeping with a bunch of large footed college students or two drunks hanging out at an English Pub. I do believe that some of them are government staged - and again the reasoning goes back to the planned controlled society that our would be Psychiatric masters want. People inspired and intrigued by new and unusual phenomena start asking questions and thinking. Not good from the view of our social controllers who want a hive of placid cud chewers. Pranksters lose interest very quickly and they do not have the power to produce magnetic fields nor create genetic changes in the crops. There are other anomalies as well - such as the apparent softening of the plant tissues in the area of the bend - such that they are laid over without external physical damage. So, given their complex structure and time it takes to create them we can say from the evidence that: 1. They show signs of advanced creative intelligence (unless they are created by some physical phenomena of which we are unaware). 2. The volume and complexity, along with geographic distribution, argue against a group of frat boys out on a lark. Although easy to conjure up in the mind it is not the simplest explanation as the logistics, planning, and mathematical precision with which the apparently legitimate circles are laid down would require some very sophisticated planning and I doubt they could be done in one night - particularly the fractals and attractor patterns as the symmetry and placement are not just close but precisely on. What we do know is that many of them are simply unexplained. We can observe, and investigate but the reality is that despite attempts to explain them away they continue happening as a phenomena which is unexplained by any known science. However, as I mentioned earlier we can see the signs of advanced intelligence, and by implication some very sophisticated mathematics in their design. Who and why is an unknown.
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Original_Intent has the same faith in extraterrestrial origins of crop circles as he has in "chemtrails". Original_Intent provides the same amount of proof of extraterrestrial origins of crop circles as he provides for the existence of "chemtrails". none
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You said you saw one demonstrated by college students that would rival anything I could show you, and later claimed the ones I showed you were man-made, so excuse me if I misunderstood, but that is what I thought you meant. The perfectly symmetrical patterns covering sqaure miles worth of terrain are obviously NOT man-made. In terms of religion, I was assuming that was the reason you were dismissing this phenomenon as simply the work of pranksters, since that is the most implausible explanation there is, yet would be the norm for someone whose religion doesn't allow them to think beyond it.
In post #30 which was after post #22 where it was stated to be a TV show. You assume too much. Obviously you have missed the few posts I have made on religion or you would not have made such a poor assumption. And religious reasons for dismissing this phenomenon are not the most plausible. I do so based on what I know about science and space etc.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Are you seriously trying to say that the formations seen in wheat fields are as easily created as simply creating paintings with colored sand in a confined area?
What part of science explains crop circles then?
Science doesn't explain crop circles. It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." How so?
What does this look like to you? Or how about this object, recorded over Nellis AFB in Nevada?
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
Did your mother have any children that lived?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We live in a galaxy made up of hundreds of millions of stars, and even if you limit systems with the possibility of harboring life to Type G Yellow Dwarfs like our own sun they still number in the millions - in just our galaxy. The numbers of galaxies is an unknown but the number is in the hundreds of millions. This conjures up Carl Sagan's "billions and billions of stars". So far every star which astronomers have been able to examine closely enough has planets. So, the likelihood of habitable planets numbering in the "billions and billions" is mathematically so close to unity as to have the difference be insignificant. UFO's have existed as a phenomena prior to our having flight. There is a small number of old paintings that appear to have UFOs painted into them in the background. We know that there are artifacts on at least the moon and Mars. We have the photographs of them and while the intellectually blind are incapable of seeing what is clearly present in the photographs that does not reduce their worth as evidence. When I was overseas they were published in a Stars and Stripes article wherein the author said that the photos had been looked at by military Photo Intelligence Experts and in their professional opinion the Martian artifacts were clearly artificial. At this point the denial simply means that some have a world view so fixed that clear evidence is denied not because it is invalid but because it does not fit their prejudices and preconceptions. So, we know that there is evidence already for other advanced civilizations even if they are, in astronomic terms, just two doors down. So, my personal opinion denying the virtual certainty of other life in the universe is parochial, short sighted, willful blindness.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone. In fact, it's quite possible that alien visitors are hostile or view us as lab animals, so it's not that I REALLY want it to be true, it's more of knowing there's enough evidence to indicate that it IS true.
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
How delightfully insipid - the presumption that everyone in the universe shares your intellectual apathy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ah. intergalactic tikkun olam. wonderful.
the theory runs like this: any civilization that's capable of developing intergalactic travel must have been able to cooperate with itself. "cooperation" implies respect. so, if people develop enough respect for each other that they're able to cooperate enough to develop intergalactic travel, they'd most likely respect us, and leave us to our own devices... ...devices which seem, at the moment, to be nuclear.
i spose you could make a case for alien civilizations sending observers to earth... ...but, assuming that a civilization is capable of intergalactic travel, we'd also have to assume that they're old enough, wise enough, accomplished enough, moral enough, that they'd just as soon not watch. it'd be like watching a snuff film, over and over and over again.
Who's insisting that they are from another galaxy? Other civilizations could have easily developed within our own galaxy, in fact, there MIGHT even be some subterranean civilization on Mars, here in our own solar system. There might even be something in the way of a subterranean base on our own Moon. As far as interstellar travel, it's not THAT difficult to achieve, and if we weren't so busy fighting unnecessary wars and giving out billions of dollars to Israel and other beggar nations, then perhaps we could even build an interstellar space vehicle within the next 50 years, if not less. If WE are that close to achieving that milestone, it can't be that uncommon for other civilizations to have reached it, with more than a few reaching it LONG ago.
From my understanding, it takes 12 hours to make those sand paintings. If it takes 12 hours to make those little bitty things, I imagine it would take two or three times as long to make a crop circle as large and intricately designed as some one the ones shown in this thread. Yet these things appear out of no where in the middle of the night in just about every country of the world. I have no idea whether its space creatures or the wind or who is making them, but I have a hard time accepting, nor have I ever seen evidence of anyone being able to make the type of complicated crop circles as seen above in the span of one night. It would take a huge crew of people.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
We do? Can you present some sort of description or pictures of them?
I bet photographs of human births can be faked too, but that doesn't mean humans don't exist.
That YouTube presentation probably wasn't fair with respect to your earlier posts. I would enjoy seeing some form of direct evidence, however. And, I don't know of any.
BTW, I wonder which government agency your good buddy Michael Shermer works for. No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try. Looks like the Firefox symbol.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes sir. You should be able to click on the picture to see that it was a planned event by a pile of college kids. The pictorial anthology from start to finish is just a click away, above.
They did a good job on it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That looks like child's play compared to the real ones.
You'll notice there is no symmetry, no mathematical complexity, and the circle isn't even perfectly round. It's only one circle, and it doesn't appear to be very big either.
Not only have I spoken with people whom I trust, who told me what THEY personally witnessed, but I have myself seen a few things that were VERY odd to put it mildly. In terms of evidence you can find yourself, what about that Nellis AFB film that shows that UFO buzzing around their test range? Look up "UFO Nuclear facilities" to see reports on what missile sites experienced a while back. Here's a link or two to help you out.. UFOs over nuclear missile installations UFOs, The Strategic Air Command and Missle Silos And while you're at it, what do you make of this... Or how about when a bunch of UFOs buzzed the US Capitol back in the 50's? Your nit picking. It is a perfect copy of the logo.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." BS. REAL crop circles have a 3d effect, where they project depth as well as 2- dimensional shape and form. Here's the Firefox logo. And here's the fake circle; It's not even that good of a 2-dimensional copy.
I have no idea whether its space creatures or the wind or who is making them, but I have a hard time accepting, nor have I ever seen evidence of anyone being able to make the type of complicated crop circles as seen above in the span of one night. It would take a huge crew of people. You outline some of the impossibilities that the "drunks did it" ridicule without thinking crowd have to overcome. The precision and intricacy, combined with the scale, make it well nigh impossible for a couple of drunks, or even a half dozen college pranksters, to manufacture in one evening. As well the real time window the pranksters have to operate is no more than about 6 to 8 hours at the most to be able to get away with it undetected. They have to begin after the traffic has died down, and most people have gone to bed. Even in a rural countryside that is about ten to eleven at night, and these people are up early - many stirring by 5 to 6 A.M.. Then in that relatively short span of time they have to set up, mark their position, plot out the diagram on the field, execute the design, clean up, and skedaddle - all undetected. As well none of the "drunks done it" crowd can account for the physical changes in the, normally, cereal crops - i.e., DNA changes, elevated radiation levels, and deformation of the stalks without external damage. The ridicule artists cannot debunk the actual scientific research done on Crop Circle formations. One of the leading teams has been The BLT Research Team. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PURPOSE: The BLT Research Team Inc.'s primary focus is crop circle research - the discovery, scientific documentation and evaluation of physical changes induced in plants, soils and other materials at crop circle sites by the energy (or energy system) responsible for creating them and to determine, if possible, from these data the specific nature and source of these energies. Secondly, our intent is to publish these research results in peer-reviewed scientific journals and to disseminate this information to the general public through lectures, mainstream articles and the internet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In December, 1990, Michigan biophysicist Wm.C. Levengood contacted Pat Delgado (one of the very early British crop circle investigators), expressing an interest in examining plants taken from crop circles (samples) and comparing them with plants taken elsewhere in the same fields (controls). Mr. Delgado began shipping crop circle plant samples and controls from various British crop formations to Levengood's Michigan laboratory and, almost immediately, Levengood began observing anomalies in the circle plants: the seeds from many of the crop circle plants were visibly smaller than the controls, and weighed less -- in one case, although the seed-head and glumes appeared basically normal externally, when the glumes (tissue surrounding each seed) were opened they were found to be devoid of seeds altogether. This was a highly unusual finding in a wheat crop planted for commercial harvest. At this early stage of investigation Levengood pursued various experimental evaluations, some of which were non-productive, others of which began to form the basis of a consistent description of characteristic changes in crop circle plants. He had begun to document abnormal enlargement of the growth nodes in the circle plant stems, and seed-germination studies were revealing clear alterations in the normal development of the seedling embryos, indicating interference in the reproductive capacity of the circle plants. It was obvious that something unusual was affecting these crop circle plants -- the question, of course, was what? By 1992 John Burke, a New York businessman with a strong avocational interest in geomagnetic and electromagnetic theory, and Nancy Talbott, a music producer with a research background at the University of Maryland and at Harvard College, had both become interested in the crop circle phenomenon and had contacted Levengood about his crop circle research. Excited by the early laboratory results and Levengood's conviction that something highly unusual was taking place in the crop fields, Burke and Talbott were interested in assisting the research effort and an informal collaboration -- the "BLT" (Burke, Levengood, Talbott) Research Team began to take shape. By now crop formations were being reported in countries around the world and it was apparent that an organized international reporting and field-sampling network was needed. Talbott set about creating these networks in order to obtain samples from newly-discovered formations; she developed a concise field-sampling protocol, located and trained new sampling personnel, arranged for the shipping of plants and soils to Levengood's Michigan lab, and financed the attendant expenses. Burke worked on the theoretical ideas emerging from Levengood's laboratory data, spending considerable time in NYC libraries researching the scientific literature. Together Burke and Talbott carried out various field experiments in the U.K. and networked with other researchers so as to stay informed of any new developments in the phenomenon. Over the next eight years a significant number of crop formations (approx. 300) were sampled in seven countries -- the U.S., Canada, England, the Netherlands, Germany, Australia and Israel. Field-trips to sample circles and gather on-site data in the U.K., Germany, Canada, The Netherlands and the U.S. were undertaken by Ms. Talbott each summer, and dozens of other crop circles were documented and sampled by the growing number of new field-workers. Control studies were designed and carried out and thousands of hours of field, office, library and laboratory work were expended. Laboratory reports on individual cases were written up and mailed out to land-owners and farmers around the world, as well as to the fieldworkers involved in each event and to local media. In 1993 a crop formation at Cherhill, England which had occurred during the annual Perseids meteor shower, had been found with a glaze of very pure iron covering -- and embedded in -- some of the downed plants. Following this discovery, regular soil sampling was instituted and carried out on most crop circles studied subsequently. The results of this early work were clear and thought-provoking: there are pervasive, re-occurring abnormalities in crop circle plants and soils (as compared to the control plants and soils taken from the same fields and as compared with plants evaluated in the control studies) which are consistent with exposure of these plants and soils to an intense and complex energy system which emits heat (possibly microwaves) along with highly unusual electrical pulses and strong magnetic fields. Of the 300+/- crop formations sampled by the BLT Team and examined by Levengood from 1990 through 2000, more than 90% showed the characteristic anomalous changes in somatic (non-reproductive) and/or reproductive plant tissues, and magnetic material was consistently documented in those formations where soil sampling had also been conducted. Three research papers were written during this 10-year period and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals (see "Published Materials"), establishing in the scientific literature for the first time that the "human pranksters with planks and boards" theory of crop circle causation was inadequate -- and that something much more intriguing is going on. The BLT Team has never been able, financially or logistically, to sample every formation reported in every country around the world each summer and, therefore, cannot extrapolate precise figures regarding this "man-made/real" debate. Our work is, however, the most comprehensive to-date, our choice of formations to be studied purposely random within each country, and we have utilized hundreds of different fieldworkers, a majority of whom were totally unacquainted with each other and often equally unaware of lab results previously obtained. These facts strongly argue against bias on the part of the field-teams, as does the fact that 90+% of the formations evaluated in the lab -- regardless of country or field-personnel involved -- reveal the same plant/soil abnormalities we now associate with the real phenomenon. The fact that the various testing procedures have shown high correlation with each other helps rule out experimenter-bias, and the control studies have clearly established the fact that manually-downed crop (using planks and boards, human feet, and a cement roller) does not exhibit the physical changes observed in crop circle plants over the years. It seems probable, then, that the overall number of man-made crop circles is relatively small, compared to the total number of circles discovered and reported each year. It should also be emphasized that our contact with landowners and farmers indicates that many crop circles go unreported each year, either because they occur in very remote areas and are never discovered at all (crop circles occur in all kinds of plants, not just cereal crops) or they are found at harvest by farmers who are either uninterested in reporting them or unaware of the reporting network. Furthermore farmers whose land has been farmed by generations of the same family regularly report that previous generations did occasionally report the discovery of crop circles while harvesting. In 1999 an opportunity to carry out some new research presented itself when New York philanthropist Laurance S. Rockefeller offered funding. In order to meet Mr. Rockefeller's requirements Ms. Talbott sought and was granted non-profit, tax-exempt status, and BLT Research Team Inc. was created, with Ms. Talbott as President. For several years Ms. Talbott had been encouraging the interest of several scientists, with differing expertise, in the crop circle situation and it was through one of these -- Utah geologist Diane Conrad -- that a new investigatory approach to the phenomen was instituted. In 1996 Ms. Conrad, then a resident in Utah, had carried out X-ray diffraction analysis on soil samples retrieved from a crop circle in Providence, Utah. Her very preliminary examination seemed to indicate that an in-depth XRD evaluation of crop circle soils might be productive, and this project was subsequently carried out with the Rockefeller funding. A new scientific paper presenting the results of this study is in progress and will be published, we expect, in 2002. Slowly, as new scientists learn of the research results obtained so far and begin to recognize some of the implications, the BLT Research Team Inc. is adding to its list of consultants. Although the media has made this progress more difficult by labeling the crop circle phenomenon as "fringe," hard data -- obtained through rigorous scientific methodology -- is difficult to ignore. As one prominent consultant recently replied, when asked if he was concerned about possible skepticism from his peers, "the data is the data." And following such data wherever it leads will most likely lead us, eventually, to an understanding of this most enigmatic, peculiar phenomenon.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I think one of the more amusing aspects of the debunkers/ridicule artists is that they readily accepted opinions from "authorities" rather than simply reviewing the evidence. It reminds me of Clarke's First Law: Clarke's Law of Revolutionary Ideas. All new and revolutionary ideas go through three stages: "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ONE HUNNERT!!!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You haven't suggested that you were there, at any crop circle formation. Since you weren't there, are you speculating about your own personal beliefs again?
I'll not argue one way or the other because I just don't know. However, I will say that I'm not convinced by the video of the college kids. IMHO, those crop circles are not in the same league as the ones in the original video or the subsequent pics, nor does it explain the other abnormalities that you have brought up. It is a fascinating topic though and the circles are truly works of art.
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LOL
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Were you present at the sinking of the Titanic? Do you believe there was such a ship as the Titanic? Do you believe it actually sunk with most of its crew and passengers on board? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you present at Omaha Beach? How do you really know that the Allies landed there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you onboard the X-1 with Chuck Yeager when he broke the sound barrier for the first time? How do you know it actually occurred on 14 October 1947? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you present at the fall of Toledo when El Cid overran the Moors? How do you even know there was a Toledo? Or an El Cid? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The absurdity of your question asked in any other context demonstrates its absurdity. We know these things occurred because they were recorded by reliable witnesses. With Crop Circles we have an additional layer of information - actual physical measurements recorded by careful and reliable witnesses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we take your line to its inevitable, and logically absurd conclusion, we can never know anything about anything unless we were personally present at the event. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you feel about July 4, 1776? Did it even exist? Was there a Congress Assembled? Was there a "shot heard 'round the World"? How do you know - were you present or are you just speculating about your personal beliefs?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hee, hee. See my #104. It might be worth a smile.
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die kill ~~ Me
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ndcorup: I still see these "circles" as language.
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peace, indeed
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die kill ~~ Me
#14. To: Lod (#12)
Who the freak knows?
The bizarre revival of crop circles - and advice on how to make your own
#15. To: Lod (#8)
The symmetry is just unbelievable
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#19. To: Lod, abraxas, buckeroo (#18)
I do not believe that these creations are man-made.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
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"I wish people wouldn't speculate so much."
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Over time, they have become increasingly complex.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
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Seems like I remember one TV show having a contest to see if these can be created in one night with very successful results.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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Well, planting season will soon enough come to the northern hemisphere, and I'm looking forward to seeing what this year's offerings/signals/messages will look like.
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All of the man-made crop circles committed by hoaxsters LOOK man-made, and are not perfectly symmetric like the circles which are made by unknown entitites.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#31. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, 4 (#26)
If there truly were some form of message ( from anyone), why don't the crop circles become simpler with time?
#32. To: groundresonance, Lod, farmfriend (#29)
who's gonna waste film and publicity on a slipshod crop circle?
Crop Circles: The Art of the Hoax
They may not be evidence of UFOs, ancient spirits or secret weapons, but there is something magical in their allure
* Smithsonian.com, December 15, 2009
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deciphered
#34. To: buckeroo (#32)
Both circle-makers and croppies are really engaged in a kind of game, whose whole purpose is to keep the game going, to prolong the mystery.
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#36. To: Lod, buckeroo (#35)
After centuries of circles, and especially today with all our cameras and recorders, would not someone have infiltrated the hoaxers, and exposed them?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
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just murdered himself
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Fewer crop circles after guru's suicide
Published: 12:01AM BST 05 Aug 2006
#42. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, 4 (#41)
Groundresonance, thanks for forcing the correction. You are a human dyna-mo digging for truth just like the rest of us!
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Not true. I saw one demonstrated by college students that rivaled anything you can show me. Clean lines, complex geometry etc. It was even done at night in the dark.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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Did the man-made one you saw look anything like these?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#51. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker (#50)
Those are man made. I find it incredible that you would believe it is more plausible that aliens from a distant galaxy did this rather than a group of creative college students. Why discard a plausible explanation for an implausible one?
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Those are man made.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
FormerLurker will be the first to deny all scientific evidence.... just like Mr. wudiditz
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: farmfriend (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: FormerLurker (#52)
I find it IMPLAUSIBLE that we are alone in this universe
#56. To: FormerLurker (#53)
... and talking out of your ass as usual?
#57. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: buckeroo (#55)
(Edited)
I think most of us share your opinion but what I don't share is your zeal that an alien culture gives a damned about us.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: farmfriend (#50)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: buckeroo (#55)
And if they did, I am confident in all their creativity to come all this way to do nothing more than make a few crop circles in some wheat and relative grain crops during harvest season.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#52)
You're insane. Of course, you'll never post an image of that man-made crop circle you claim you witnessed, more than likely because you never witnessed it.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#62. To: farmfriend, FormerLurker, Lod (#50)
Did the man-made one you saw look anything like these?
#63. To: Original_Intent (#62)
(Edited)
#64. To: Original_Intent (#62)
#65. To: farmfriend (#61)
I never, NEVER, said I witnessed anything.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: FormerLurker (#65)
You said you saw one demonstrated by college students that would rival anything I could show you,
In terms of religion, I was assuming that was the reason you were dismissing this phenomenon as simply the work of pranksters, since that is the most implausible explanation there is,
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#67. To: groundresonance (#64)
Results 1 - 18 of about 1,170,000 for navajo sand paintings
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: farmfriend (#66)
I do so based on what I know about science and space etc
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#68)
What part of science explains crop circles then?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#70. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, buckeroo, 4 (#71)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#73. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#72)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#74. To: groundresonance (#63)
#75. To: buckerooLod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#73)
(Edited)
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
#76. To: buckeroo, Lod, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#73)
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: All (#64)
#78. To: groundresonance (#77)
#79. To: Original_Intent (#78)
(Edited)
#80. To: Original_Intent (#78)
(Edited)
#81. To: All (#80)
#82. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent, All (#77)
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#64)
#84. To: FormerLurker (#76)
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#75)
We know that there are artifacts [from intelligent life forms] on at least the moon and Mars.
#86. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
#88. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#88)
No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
#90. To: buckeroo (#89)
Lord Acton
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
#92. To: buckeroo (#91)
Lord Acton
#93. To: buckeroo (#89)
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: buckeroo, Lod, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#89)
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: buckeroo (#87)
I would enjoy seeing some form of direct evidence, however. And, I don't know of any.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker, Lod, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#94)
You'll notice there is no symmetry, no mathematical complexity, and the circle isn't even perfectly round.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#97. To: farmfriend (#96)
Your nit picking. It is a perfect copy of the logo.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, gruntresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz, farmfriend, all (#83)
From my understanding, it takes 12 hours to make those sand paintings. If it takes 12 hours to make those little bitty things, I imagine it would take two or three times as long to make a crop circle as large and intricately designed as some one the ones shown in this thread. Yet these things appear out of no where in the middle of the night in just about every country of the world.
#99. To: FormerLurker (#95)
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. ~ Arthur C. Clarke
It is completely impossible -- don't waste my time.
It is possible, but it is not worth doing.
I said it was a good idea all along.
#100. To: All (#99)
#101. To: Original_Intent (#98)
The precision and intricacy, combined with the scale, make it well nigh impossible for a couple of drunks, or even a half dozen college pranksters, to manufacture in one evening.
#102. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, wudidiz, farmfriend, groundresonance, all (#98)
#103. To: Original_Intent (#100)
ONE HUNNERT!!!
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#104. To: buckeroo (#101)
#105. To: farmfriend (#103)
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