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Title: crop circles 2009
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWMBh3WleE&feature=related
Published: Mar 21, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-03-21 01:44:47 by buckeroo
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Views: 3240
Comments: 105
Poster Comment: April 2010 is right around the corner. Crop circles are notorious about this month and through the harvest season around the world.
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#66. To: FormerLurker (#65)
In post #30 which was after post #22 where it was stated to be a TV show. You assume too much. Obviously you have missed the few posts I have made on religion or you would not have made such a poor assumption. And religious reasons for dismissing this phenomenon are not the most plausible. I do so based on what I know about science and space etc.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Are you seriously trying to say that the formations seen in wheat fields are as easily created as simply creating paintings with colored sand in a confined area?
What part of science explains crop circles then?
Science doesn't explain crop circles. It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." How so?
What does this look like to you? Or how about this object, recorded over Nellis AFB in Nevada?
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
Did your mother have any children that lived?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We live in a galaxy made up of hundreds of millions of stars, and even if you limit systems with the possibility of harboring life to Type G Yellow Dwarfs like our own sun they still number in the millions - in just our galaxy. The numbers of galaxies is an unknown but the number is in the hundreds of millions. This conjures up Carl Sagan's "billions and billions of stars". So far every star which astronomers have been able to examine closely enough has planets. So, the likelihood of habitable planets numbering in the "billions and billions" is mathematically so close to unity as to have the difference be insignificant. UFO's have existed as a phenomena prior to our having flight. There is a small number of old paintings that appear to have UFOs painted into them in the background. We know that there are artifacts on at least the moon and Mars. We have the photographs of them and while the intellectually blind are incapable of seeing what is clearly present in the photographs that does not reduce their worth as evidence. When I was overseas they were published in a Stars and Stripes article wherein the author said that the photos had been looked at by military Photo Intelligence Experts and in their professional opinion the Martian artifacts were clearly artificial. At this point the denial simply means that some have a world view so fixed that clear evidence is denied not because it is invalid but because it does not fit their prejudices and preconceptions. So, we know that there is evidence already for other advanced civilizations even if they are, in astronomic terms, just two doors down. So, my personal opinion denying the virtual certainty of other life in the universe is parochial, short sighted, willful blindness.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone. In fact, it's quite possible that alien visitors are hostile or view us as lab animals, so it's not that I REALLY want it to be true, it's more of knowing there's enough evidence to indicate that it IS true.
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
How delightfully insipid - the presumption that everyone in the universe shares your intellectual apathy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ah. intergalactic tikkun olam. wonderful.
the theory runs like this: any civilization that's capable of developing intergalactic travel must have been able to cooperate with itself. "cooperation" implies respect. so, if people develop enough respect for each other that they're able to cooperate enough to develop intergalactic travel, they'd most likely respect us, and leave us to our own devices... ...devices which seem, at the moment, to be nuclear.
i spose you could make a case for alien civilizations sending observers to earth... ...but, assuming that a civilization is capable of intergalactic travel, we'd also have to assume that they're old enough, wise enough, accomplished enough, moral enough, that they'd just as soon not watch. it'd be like watching a snuff film, over and over and over again.
Who's insisting that they are from another galaxy? Other civilizations could have easily developed within our own galaxy, in fact, there MIGHT even be some subterranean civilization on Mars, here in our own solar system. There might even be something in the way of a subterranean base on our own Moon. As far as interstellar travel, it's not THAT difficult to achieve, and if we weren't so busy fighting unnecessary wars and giving out billions of dollars to Israel and other beggar nations, then perhaps we could even build an interstellar space vehicle within the next 50 years, if not less. If WE are that close to achieving that milestone, it can't be that uncommon for other civilizations to have reached it, with more than a few reaching it LONG ago.
From my understanding, it takes 12 hours to make those sand paintings. If it takes 12 hours to make those little bitty things, I imagine it would take two or three times as long to make a crop circle as large and intricately designed as some one the ones shown in this thread. Yet these things appear out of no where in the middle of the night in just about every country of the world. I have no idea whether its space creatures or the wind or who is making them, but I have a hard time accepting, nor have I ever seen evidence of anyone being able to make the type of complicated crop circles as seen above in the span of one night. It would take a huge crew of people.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
We do? Can you present some sort of description or pictures of them?
I bet photographs of human births can be faked too, but that doesn't mean humans don't exist.
That YouTube presentation probably wasn't fair with respect to your earlier posts. I would enjoy seeing some form of direct evidence, however. And, I don't know of any.
BTW, I wonder which government agency your good buddy Michael Shermer works for. No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try. Looks like the Firefox symbol.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes sir. You should be able to click on the picture to see that it was a planned event by a pile of college kids. The pictorial anthology from start to finish is just a click away, above.
They did a good job on it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That looks like child's play compared to the real ones.
You'll notice there is no symmetry, no mathematical complexity, and the circle isn't even perfectly round. It's only one circle, and it doesn't appear to be very big either.
Not only have I spoken with people whom I trust, who told me what THEY personally witnessed, but I have myself seen a few things that were VERY odd to put it mildly. In terms of evidence you can find yourself, what about that Nellis AFB film that shows that UFO buzzing around their test range? Look up "UFO Nuclear facilities" to see reports on what missile sites experienced a while back. Here's a link or two to help you out.. UFOs over nuclear missile installations UFOs, The Strategic Air Command and Missle Silos And while you're at it, what do you make of this... Or how about when a bunch of UFOs buzzed the US Capitol back in the 50's? Your nit picking. It is a perfect copy of the logo.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." BS. REAL crop circles have a 3d effect, where they project depth as well as 2- dimensional shape and form. Here's the Firefox logo. And here's the fake circle; It's not even that good of a 2-dimensional copy.
I have no idea whether its space creatures or the wind or who is making them, but I have a hard time accepting, nor have I ever seen evidence of anyone being able to make the type of complicated crop circles as seen above in the span of one night. It would take a huge crew of people. You outline some of the impossibilities that the "drunks did it" ridicule without thinking crowd have to overcome. The precision and intricacy, combined with the scale, make it well nigh impossible for a couple of drunks, or even a half dozen college pranksters, to manufacture in one evening. As well the real time window the pranksters have to operate is no more than about 6 to 8 hours at the most to be able to get away with it undetected. They have to begin after the traffic has died down, and most people have gone to bed. Even in a rural countryside that is about ten to eleven at night, and these people are up early - many stirring by 5 to 6 A.M.. Then in that relatively short span of time they have to set up, mark their position, plot out the diagram on the field, execute the design, clean up, and skedaddle - all undetected. As well none of the "drunks done it" crowd can account for the physical changes in the, normally, cereal crops - i.e., DNA changes, elevated radiation levels, and deformation of the stalks without external damage. The ridicule artists cannot debunk the actual scientific research done on Crop Circle formations. One of the leading teams has been The BLT Research Team. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PURPOSE: The BLT Research Team Inc.'s primary focus is crop circle research - the discovery, scientific documentation and evaluation of physical changes induced in plants, soils and other materials at crop circle sites by the energy (or energy system) responsible for creating them and to determine, if possible, from these data the specific nature and source of these energies. Secondly, our intent is to publish these research results in peer-reviewed scientific journals and to disseminate this information to the general public through lectures, mainstream articles and the internet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In December, 1990, Michigan biophysicist Wm.C. Levengood contacted Pat Delgado (one of the very early British crop circle investigators), expressing an interest in examining plants taken from crop circles (samples) and comparing them with plants taken elsewhere in the same fields (controls). Mr. Delgado began shipping crop circle plant samples and controls from various British crop formations to Levengood's Michigan laboratory and, almost immediately, Levengood began observing anomalies in the circle plants: the seeds from many of the crop circle plants were visibly smaller than the controls, and weighed less -- in one case, although the seed-head and glumes appeared basically normal externally, when the glumes (tissue surrounding each seed) were opened they were found to be devoid of seeds altogether. This was a highly unusual finding in a wheat crop planted for commercial harvest. At this early stage of investigation Levengood pursued various experimental evaluations, some of which were non-productive, others of which began to form the basis of a consistent description of characteristic changes in crop circle plants. He had begun to document abnormal enlargement of the growth nodes in the circle plant stems, and seed-germination studies were revealing clear alterations in the normal development of the seedling embryos, indicating interference in the reproductive capacity of the circle plants. It was obvious that something unusual was affecting these crop circle plants -- the question, of course, was what? By 1992 John Burke, a New York businessman with a strong avocational interest in geomagnetic and electromagnetic theory, and Nancy Talbott, a music producer with a research background at the University of Maryland and at Harvard College, had both become interested in the crop circle phenomenon and had contacted Levengood about his crop circle research. Excited by the early laboratory results and Levengood's conviction that something highly unusual was taking place in the crop fields, Burke and Talbott were interested in assisting the research effort and an informal collaboration -- the "BLT" (Burke, Levengood, Talbott) Research Team began to take shape. By now crop formations were being reported in countries around the world and it was apparent that an organized international reporting and field-sampling network was needed. Talbott set about creating these networks in order to obtain samples from newly-discovered formations; she developed a concise field-sampling protocol, located and trained new sampling personnel, arranged for the shipping of plants and soils to Levengood's Michigan lab, and financed the attendant expenses. Burke worked on the theoretical ideas emerging from Levengood's laboratory data, spending considerable time in NYC libraries researching the scientific literature. Together Burke and Talbott carried out various field experiments in the U.K. and networked with other researchers so as to stay informed of any new developments in the phenomenon. Over the next eight years a significant number of crop formations (approx. 300) were sampled in seven countries -- the U.S., Canada, England, the Netherlands, Germany, Australia and Israel. Field-trips to sample circles and gather on-site data in the U.K., Germany, Canada, The Netherlands and the U.S. were undertaken by Ms. Talbott each summer, and dozens of other crop circles were documented and sampled by the growing number of new field-workers. Control studies were designed and carried out and thousands of hours of field, office, library and laboratory work were expended. Laboratory reports on individual cases were written up and mailed out to land-owners and farmers around the world, as well as to the fieldworkers involved in each event and to local media. In 1993 a crop formation at Cherhill, England which had occurred during the annual Perseids meteor shower, had been found with a glaze of very pure iron covering -- and embedded in -- some of the downed plants. Following this discovery, regular soil sampling was instituted and carried out on most crop circles studied subsequently. The results of this early work were clear and thought-provoking: there are pervasive, re-occurring abnormalities in crop circle plants and soils (as compared to the control plants and soils taken from the same fields and as compared with plants evaluated in the control studies) which are consistent with exposure of these plants and soils to an intense and complex energy system which emits heat (possibly microwaves) along with highly unusual electrical pulses and strong magnetic fields. Of the 300+/- crop formations sampled by the BLT Team and examined by Levengood from 1990 through 2000, more than 90% showed the characteristic anomalous changes in somatic (non-reproductive) and/or reproductive plant tissues, and magnetic material was consistently documented in those formations where soil sampling had also been conducted. Three research papers were written during this 10-year period and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals (see "Published Materials"), establishing in the scientific literature for the first time that the "human pranksters with planks and boards" theory of crop circle causation was inadequate -- and that something much more intriguing is going on. The BLT Team has never been able, financially or logistically, to sample every formation reported in every country around the world each summer and, therefore, cannot extrapolate precise figures regarding this "man-made/real" debate. Our work is, however, the most comprehensive to-date, our choice of formations to be studied purposely random within each country, and we have utilized hundreds of different fieldworkers, a majority of whom were totally unacquainted with each other and often equally unaware of lab results previously obtained. These facts strongly argue against bias on the part of the field-teams, as does the fact that 90+% of the formations evaluated in the lab -- regardless of country or field-personnel involved -- reveal the same plant/soil abnormalities we now associate with the real phenomenon. The fact that the various testing procedures have shown high correlation with each other helps rule out experimenter-bias, and the control studies have clearly established the fact that manually-downed crop (using planks and boards, human feet, and a cement roller) does not exhibit the physical changes observed in crop circle plants over the years. It seems probable, then, that the overall number of man-made crop circles is relatively small, compared to the total number of circles discovered and reported each year. It should also be emphasized that our contact with landowners and farmers indicates that many crop circles go unreported each year, either because they occur in very remote areas and are never discovered at all (crop circles occur in all kinds of plants, not just cereal crops) or they are found at harvest by farmers who are either uninterested in reporting them or unaware of the reporting network. Furthermore farmers whose land has been farmed by generations of the same family regularly report that previous generations did occasionally report the discovery of crop circles while harvesting. In 1999 an opportunity to carry out some new research presented itself when New York philanthropist Laurance S. Rockefeller offered funding. In order to meet Mr. Rockefeller's requirements Ms. Talbott sought and was granted non-profit, tax-exempt status, and BLT Research Team Inc. was created, with Ms. Talbott as President. For several years Ms. Talbott had been encouraging the interest of several scientists, with differing expertise, in the crop circle situation and it was through one of these -- Utah geologist Diane Conrad -- that a new investigatory approach to the phenomen was instituted. In 1996 Ms. Conrad, then a resident in Utah, had carried out X-ray diffraction analysis on soil samples retrieved from a crop circle in Providence, Utah. Her very preliminary examination seemed to indicate that an in-depth XRD evaluation of crop circle soils might be productive, and this project was subsequently carried out with the Rockefeller funding. A new scientific paper presenting the results of this study is in progress and will be published, we expect, in 2002. Slowly, as new scientists learn of the research results obtained so far and begin to recognize some of the implications, the BLT Research Team Inc. is adding to its list of consultants. Although the media has made this progress more difficult by labeling the crop circle phenomenon as "fringe," hard data -- obtained through rigorous scientific methodology -- is difficult to ignore. As one prominent consultant recently replied, when asked if he was concerned about possible skepticism from his peers, "the data is the data." And following such data wherever it leads will most likely lead us, eventually, to an understanding of this most enigmatic, peculiar phenomenon.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I think one of the more amusing aspects of the debunkers/ridicule artists is that they readily accepted opinions from "authorities" rather than simply reviewing the evidence. It reminds me of Clarke's First Law: Clarke's Law of Revolutionary Ideas. All new and revolutionary ideas go through three stages: "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ONE HUNNERT!!!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You haven't suggested that you were there, at any crop circle formation. Since you weren't there, are you speculating about your own personal beliefs again?
I'll not argue one way or the other because I just don't know. However, I will say that I'm not convinced by the video of the college kids. IMHO, those crop circles are not in the same league as the ones in the original video or the subsequent pics, nor does it explain the other abnormalities that you have brought up. It is a fascinating topic though and the circles are truly works of art.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
LOL
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Were you present at the sinking of the Titanic? Do you believe there was such a ship as the Titanic? Do you believe it actually sunk with most of its crew and passengers on board? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you present at Omaha Beach? How do you really know that the Allies landed there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you onboard the X-1 with Chuck Yeager when he broke the sound barrier for the first time? How do you know it actually occurred on 14 October 1947? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were you present at the fall of Toledo when El Cid overran the Moors? How do you even know there was a Toledo? Or an El Cid? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The absurdity of your question asked in any other context demonstrates its absurdity. We know these things occurred because they were recorded by reliable witnesses. With Crop Circles we have an additional layer of information - actual physical measurements recorded by careful and reliable witnesses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we take your line to its inevitable, and logically absurd conclusion, we can never know anything about anything unless we were personally present at the event. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do you feel about July 4, 1776? Did it even exist? Was there a Congress Assembled? Was there a "shot heard 'round the World"? How do you know - were you present or are you just speculating about your personal beliefs?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hee, hee. See my #104. It might be worth a smile.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You said you saw one demonstrated by college students that would rival anything I could show you,
In terms of religion, I was assuming that was the reason you were dismissing this phenomenon as simply the work of pranksters, since that is the most implausible explanation there is,
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#67. To: groundresonance (#64)
Results 1 - 18 of about 1,170,000 for navajo sand paintings
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: farmfriend (#66)
I do so based on what I know about science and space etc
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: FormerLurker (#68)
What part of science explains crop circles then?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#70. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#71. To: farmfriend (#69)
It does cause me to dismiss the idea that we are being visited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#72. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, buckeroo, 4 (#71)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#73. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#72)
we are not alone (and never have been) bump.
#74. To: groundresonance (#63)
#75. To: buckerooLod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#73)
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We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
#76. To: buckeroo, Lod, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#73)
We could be ... but because so many want to "believe" maybe we are dealing with fiction substituted as reality.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: All (#64)
#78. To: groundresonance (#77)
#79. To: Original_Intent (#78)
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#80. To: Original_Intent (#78)
(Edited)
#81. To: All (#80)
#82. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent, All (#77)
any civilization wise enough to develop intergalactic travel also developed sense enough to stay home.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#64)
#84. To: FormerLurker (#76)
It's not the matter of "wanting to believe", it's a matter of weighing the mountains of evidence that we are NOT alone against the absurd notion that we MUST be alone.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#75)
We know that there are artifacts [from intelligent life forms] on at least the moon and Mars.
#86. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
#88. To: buckeroo (#84)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#89. To: Lod, FormerLurker, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#88)
No better way to fool the rubes than to show them how something can be faked, something which the PTB wish them not to take too seriously since they feel it would weaken their power and control.
#90. To: buckeroo (#89)
Lord Acton
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
#92. To: buckeroo (#91)
Lord Acton
#93. To: buckeroo (#89)
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: buckeroo, Lod, farmfriend, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#89)
Earlier, up the thread, groundresonance introduced this link by college kids. Give it a try.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: buckeroo (#87)
I would enjoy seeing some form of direct evidence, however. And, I don't know of any.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker, Lod, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, groundresonance (#94)
You'll notice there is no symmetry, no mathematical complexity, and the circle isn't even perfectly round.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#97. To: farmfriend (#96)
Your nit picking. It is a perfect copy of the logo.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, gruntresonance, FormerLurker, wudidiz, farmfriend, all (#83)
From my understanding, it takes 12 hours to make those sand paintings. If it takes 12 hours to make those little bitty things, I imagine it would take two or three times as long to make a crop circle as large and intricately designed as some one the ones shown in this thread. Yet these things appear out of no where in the middle of the night in just about every country of the world.
#99. To: FormerLurker (#95)
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. ~ Arthur C. Clarke
It is completely impossible -- don't waste my time.
It is possible, but it is not worth doing.
I said it was a good idea all along.
#100. To: All (#99)
#101. To: Original_Intent (#98)
The precision and intricacy, combined with the scale, make it well nigh impossible for a couple of drunks, or even a half dozen college pranksters, to manufacture in one evening.
#102. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, wudidiz, farmfriend, groundresonance, all (#98)
#103. To: Original_Intent (#100)
ONE HUNNERT!!!
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#104. To: buckeroo (#101)
#105. To: farmfriend (#103)
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