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Title: chrysler vs brown
Source: I made up this in my bicameral mind
URL Source: http://none
Published: Mar 22, 2010
Author: me
Post Date: 2010-03-22 23:04:15 by rack42
Keywords: None
Views: 97
Comments: 4

There is a case that was brought before the US Supreme Court: Chrysler vs Brown.

I can't find any transcript . Help if you can.

Case was brought in 1979 and showed that the IRS was a corporation.

Since then, the IRS has not provided any info as to yea or ney.

Yeah, I've reviewed a bunch of decisions of the IRS and the bottom line is YOUR A SLAVE to the IRS.

So, anyone have a transcript to Chrysler vs Brown?

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#1. To: rack42 (#0)

The case you named is Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, Sec. of Defense (April 18, 1979) 441 U.S. 281, 60 L.Ed.2d 208, 99 S.Ct. 1705 ... but it dealt with the Freedom of Information Act against other laws requiring agencies to keep certain proprietary information secret. Chrysler was suing the Pentagon to keep it from revealing to others certain details about Chrysler's working conditions, a topic that the Pentagon, by law, was supposed to consider when awarding or supervising govt contracts. The case is a rather difficult discussion of the FOIA and related laws.

But the only mention of the IRS is a paragraph devoted to the earliest history of the IRS, back when it was the Bureau of Internal Revenue, and laws were passed to keep a taxpayer's records confidential. Nothing about the IRS being a corporation.

And, by the way, no other court case ever said the IRS was a corporation. It is a subdivision of the Dept of Treasury, but Congress did not authorize either the Treasury or the IRS to sue or be sued in their own name, so a lawsuit brought by or against the IRS is done in the name of the "United States". Hope that answers your question.

Shoonra  posted on  2010-03-22   23:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not quite (I messed up not giving it all):

CHRYSTLER CORP. V. BROWN, 442 U.S. 281 (1979)

Page 441 U. S. 297

in the early days of the Bureau of Internal Revenue, it was the field agents who had substantial contact with confidential financial information. [Footnote 23]...

[Footnote 23]

There was virtually no Washington bureaucracy created by the Act of July 1, 1862, ch. 119, 12 Stat. 432, the statute to which the present Internal Revenue Service can be traced. Researchers report that, during the Civil War, 85% of the operations of the Bureau of Internal Revenue were carried out in the field, "including the assessing and collection of taxes, the handling of appeals, and punishment for frauds" -- and this balance of responsibility was not generally upset until the 20th century. L. Schmeckebier & F. Eble, The Bureau of Internal Revenue 8, 40-43 (1923).

Agents had the power to enter any home or business establishment to look for taxable property and examine books of accounts. Information was collected and processed in the field. It is, therefore, not surprising to find that congressional comments during this period focused on potential abuses by agents in the field, and not on breaches of confidentiality by a Washington-based bureaucracy.

31 Questions and Anwers about the IRS

1.      Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?

Answer: No. The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury. The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.” The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 30149;310 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS. See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).

At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D. The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats). See Article IV, Section 4. Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

2.      If not an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury, then what exactly is the IRS?

Answer: The IRS appears to be a collection agency working for foreign banks and operating out of Puerto Rico under color of the Federal Alcohol Administration (“FAA”). But the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed.

In 1998, the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit identified a second “Secretary of the Treasury” as a man by the name of Manual Díaz-Saldaña. See the definitions of “Secretary” and “Secretary or his delegate” at 27 CFR 26.11 (formerly 27 CFR 250.11), and the published decision in Used Tire International, Inc. v. Manual Díaz-Saldaña, court docket number 9749;2348, September 11, 1998. Both definitions mention Puerto Rico.

When all the evidence is examined objectively, IRS appears to be a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. (“RICO”). Think of Puerto RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act);

in other words, it is an organized crime syndicate operating under false and fraudulent pretenses. See also the Sherman Act and the Lanham Act.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

rack42  posted on  2010-03-23   3:25:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: All (#2) (Edited)

Of course, all above could be trash since it was taken, for the most part, from non-governmental sources.

Furthermore, if what I posted is accurate, then there is no longer a rule of law, and the US Supreme Court, supposedly the most learned Constitutional Law, are a bunch of obscurants, and I charge them as such.

rack42  posted on  2010-03-23 03:27:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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