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Title: Militia Probe Included Undercover FBI Agent
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Wall Street Journal
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... l?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories
Published: Mar 30, 2010
Author: By KEITH JOHNSON, ALEX P. KELLOGG, LAURE
Post Date: 2010-03-30 19:35:32 by Phant2000
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An undercover agent was part of the federal investigation of a Michigan-based Christian militia group that allegedly planned to spark an uprising against the government by killing police officers, court documents show. Evidence presented to the grand jury in federal court in Detroit included photographs of Thomas William Piatek, one of nine people indicted Monday in connection with alleged criminal activities by the militia group, known as Hutaree, in southeastern Michigan. The grand-jury exhibit included sworn testimony of a law-enforcement officer that Mr. Piatek "is the person known by a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent to be the person who participated in the criminal violations" detailed in the indictment. The court had to briefly unseal the indictment, issued Tuesday, March 23, in order to correct Mr. Piatek's middle name, which had been incorrectly written in the arrest warrant and indictment as "Edward." The indictment was publicly unsealed in federal court Monday. A spokesperson at the FBI's Detroit office declined to comment on the undercover agent and any role such an agent may have had in the investigation. A spokesman at the Justice Department in Washington also declined to discuss specifics of the investigation. Infiltration is a common tactic for law-enforcement officials targeting militia groups. It has been widely used to get inside domestic extremist groups, which have in the past proven easier to infiltrate than Islamic terror groups. In recent months, the FBI also has used one or more undercover agents or employees to carry out sting operations against suspected Islamic terrorists. Hosam Smadi and Michael Finton were both arrested last fall by the FBI after they conspired with the help of undercover agents to blow up public buildings with car bombs packed with fake explosives. Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified local law-enforcement officer in April and then attack local, state and federal officers who came to Michigan to attend the funeral, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan said in a 12-page indictment. Seven members of the group were arraigned in federal court in Detroit, one was arraigned in federal court in the Northern District of Indiana and the last was arrested Monday night. Those arraigned were ordered held without bond until further hearings this week. Federal agents made the arrests after weekend raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. The indictment said Hutaree had practiced attacks and other military maneuvers for more than a year, and had planned to use homemade bombs like those used against U.S. forces by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. The bombs were the key part of the alleged plot to attack the funeral of a law-enforcement officer, the indictment said. that attack, the group planned to retreat to a remote "rally point" from which members would resist an expected response by the government, sparking what Hutaree's alleged leader, David Brian Stone, hoped would be a wider uprising against the government, the indictment said. FBI agent Andrew Arena called Hutaree "an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society." The group, whose name means "Christian Warrior," according to its Web site, didn't respond to emails. The Web site said the group was preparing for "the anti-Christ" and expected to "one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield." The site quotes scripture passages alluding to battle and the sacrifice of lives for a greater cause. The group used tiger-striped camouflage uniforms, the indictment said. Security officials in Washington have been watching the rejuvenation of the militia movement with unease for the past year. Some of the same conditions that last led to a surge of militias in the early 1990s—a tough economic environment and a Democratic administration in the White House—prevail today, investigators said. The election of Barack Obama as the country's first African-American president has galvanized some white supremacist in parts of the militia universe. Domestic terrorism from armed groups not connected to Islamic ideology is possible, said Lydia Khalil, a counter-terrorism researcher at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. Heidi Beirich, director of research for the Southern Poverty Law Center, Montgomery, Ala., said Hutaree has a MySpace page listing more than 300 "friends," some of which are members of other militia groups. Monday's indictment named Mr. Stone, 45 years old; his wife Tina Mae Stone, 44; and his son Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, all of Clayton, Mich.; Mr. Stone's other son, David Brian Stone Jr., 19, of Adrian, Mich.; and five other men from Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. The indictment said they conspired to engage in armed conflict with law enforcement officials. Joshua Matthew Stone was arrested by federal authorities in Hillsdale County, Mich., officials said. He was arraigned Tuesday before a U.S. District Court magistrate and was ordered held without bond until a hearing Wednesday. At the courthouse in Detroit Monday, a woman who identified herself as the elder Mr. Stone's ex-wife and David Brian Stone Jr.'s father, said that she left him "four or five years ago" after she felt he'd become dangerous. "When he went from handguns to big guns, I said, 'Enough,"' said Donna Stone, 44, of Adrian, Mich. Andrea Harsh, a friend of Donna Stone, said from her trailer in Adrian about 75 miles southwest of Detroit that she had once been engaged to the elder Mr. Stone but found him to be too violent and "I got out." Ms. Harsh said, "He makes it sound like he's out to promote Christianity. But he's not in it for Christ, he's in it to make a name for himself." She added that he "thought he could hide from the government." According to those women, Mr. Stone lives in a pair of attached trailers at the corner of two dirt roads. In the yard Monday, thee dogs were chained in the yard near an SUV. On Saturday night, federal agents arrived at the Adrian apartment of Brittany Bryant, Ms. Harsh's daughter and the fiance of David Brian Stone Jr. The younger Mr. Stone had recently moved into the apartment, Ms. Bryant said. Authorities came in with their guns out, she said, and spent about three hours searching the premises, taking, among other things, Bibles, her cellphone, notebooks, a camouflage military jacket and a belt buckle reading, "God, Guns and Guts." Ms. Bryant said her fiance "did very little" with the Hutaree group. She said he recently got a job at a factory and "was just trying to get his life together." Saturday afternoon in Sandusky, Ohio, federal agents swarmed a trailer park. Two residents said their two dogs started to bark as federal agents with guns piled out of a yellow truck marked SWAT. They soon emerged with Kristopher T. Sickles, 27, one of those charged Monday, in handcuffs. The Monks said they'd never met Mr. Sickles, but talked occasionally with his wife, Kelly. "He looked normal to me...nothing stood out about him," Mr. Monk said. Reached by telephone Monday, Ms. Sickles said her husband of three years is "innocent" and "had no idea that any of this was going on." Also on Saturday night, federal agents showed up in Whiting, Ind., at a two-story brick home where Mr. Piatek, 46, had grown up, neighbors said. Amanda Behrens, manager of Gusto's Pizza next door, said the tall, lean Mr. Piatek frequently wore Army fatigue pants and combat boots, "but I never suspected he would do anything dangerous. It just seemed like he had a hobby of military stuff." She trusted Mr. Piatek enough that she felt comfortable working night shifts alone because he pledged to keep an eye on her. Mr. Piatek wasn't home for the raid, but was arrested early Sunday in Clarendon Hills, Ill. News of his fate has rocked Whiting, Indiana, which remains the largely Catholic and Eastern European neighborhood it was decades ago, said longtime resident Melaine Kaminsky, 51. "This doesn't happen in our town," she said, adding that she heard of the raid of Mr. Piatek's home within 15 minutes of it happening. "This is the real deal, this is scary. It's all everybody's talking about." Poster Comment: I read this and knew damn well that Cyni was the "undercover agent"!!!
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#27. To: Lod (#23)
And it's always oafs who haven't two nickles to rub together. With any kind of competent (read expensive) legal representation, these cases should be able to be blown up. Without knowing a single fact, I rate the government version as minus 10 on a standard sliding scale.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
A gov snitch in a militia? Gasp!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
A gov snitch in a militia? Gasp! Wouldn't it be just awful if some of them started having "accidents"?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
There is a possibility that Piatek was NOT to be identified as the snitch. The court records are sealed so perhaps someone bungled the entrapment.
The court records are sealed so perhaps someone bungled the entrapment. That could be. I wonder how well he sleeps tonight? Maybe a little restless tossing and turning? Maybe a new place to sleep?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
His insurance best be paid up. That strange noise in the middle of the night can be unsettling. Those good ole boys that own guns out that way are an ornery lot when...crossed...
True stuff. Since we are all now the terriers. To me, the line in the sand has already been drawn - by them, not us. We just have to wait for the first round to be fired, then game's on.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Lod... "The arrests have dealt "a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday." Neighbors said there were at least 20 cars of police when they arrested Piatek.
These guys had to know they were a huge target for a gov rat in their midst. Nothing surprising here.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Silly rogues!
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Those men have DONE nothing, and face life imprisonment for planning and thinking about it.
The problem is that they generally pick groups were the members are not terribly sharp and the spook is usually playing the role of the "loyalist of the loyal". However, a really sharp group would have little or no public profile, and I would be willing to bet that such exist if only on an informal level.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Just wait. I'm tellin' ya, people are beginning to, and rightfully so, get pissed at government employees who are making off with their money and not working nearly as hard as the rest of us generally speaking. Everyone in their communities knows where the "authorities" in their neighborhoods live. If they fall on the side against them all, I would not want to be them. At the rate things are going it could become hazardous to your health to work for the Feral Government.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Correct on both counts. A trusting soul is easy to fool and entrap.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
They've been the rebels since 1913, nearly a century ago, and nothing's been done. When, if not now? Many of us are old enough, tired enough, and pissed enough, to have our tombstones, if need be, engraved right now. It's time.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Professional or experienced people in such business build in safeguards such as the communists always have. No matter what happens, you are on someones list and if it is you that snitches, you are automatic history.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I would also think that in a sharp group they'd have found this rat's body floating in some pond somewhere. Even better would be to reverse the sting. Let the stoolie think that he has your complete confidence. Listen intently to his suggestions for staging a violent attack. Record it all on Audio, and video if you can hide the camera. Let him egg you on, smile and nod appreciatively. Set him up for a rendevous at a phony weapons drop or a "planned violent attack". When his buddies from the FBI show up to make their heroic world saving raid you record it all. Then you sue them under Civil RICO.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Roger that. I spent a number of years in uniform - you are preaching to the choir. Inefficient use of resources does not begin to describe it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
How about - He had as much fun, and he did as much good, as he was able to do. May I be able to see you all, whenever you cross that Rainbow Bridge to join me. God bless, Jim
Jesus doesn't need'em. He has his own militia (and not a rat among'em) WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Probably, but they haven't gotten past the beer drinking stage of the revolution.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
When it all shakes out, the truth of this story, like most others, will not resemble the fairy tale in any way shape or form.
Just remember, those captured in the Waco and Rudy Ridge massacres did not have the benefit of happening during the internet age. And with the press declaring all americans to be bigots, the press' vilification of these people will likely fall on deaf ears. I look forward to hearing what comes out of the hearings and trials.
Kind of like the mafia. Police have been trying for years to infiltrate them, yet it is the mafia who infiltrates the police more than the police doing it. The truth is indeed the weapon that will make all governments of the world shatter. Keep speaking the truth about 9/11 and warning of their plans for a new 9/11 soon. The more that know the better.
God is always good!
It has been fired many times, 9/11, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.... It is easy to sit back and watch things unfold. Very few will dare to do anything until they are under attack themselves.
God is always good!
Where'd you read that? That's not what it says in the article, what it says is this... "The grand-jury exhibit included sworn testimony of a law-enforcement officer that Mr. Piatek "is the person known by a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent to be the person who participated in the criminal violations" detailed in the indictment. "
It seems that Alex Jones is the one making that claim, found it on his website. Like I said, that is NOT what the article posted by the WSJ reports. The error could be fatal, and almost seems deliberate. Wonder who thought it up, the FBI or other people giving AJ his "info"? Oh gee whiz, what do you know, AJ corrected his article. Here's what it NOW says... And here's what it USED to say... FBI Agent Discovered at Center of Alleged Hutaree Conspiracy Posted By admin On March 30, 2010 @ 5:31 pm In Featured Stories | 31 Comments Kurt Nimmo Infowars.com March 30, 2010 The FBI had an informant inside the Hutaree group and he participated in the alleged conspiracy to kill law enforcement officers, according to The Wall Street Journal today. In sworn testimony, Thomas William Piatek is described as a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent. Thomas William Piatek is pictured at the bottom right. It is interesting to note that, unlike the other suspects, he appears not to be wearing a jail uniform. Hell, even the WSJ rewrote THEIR article apparently, the linked article differs from what you posted.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
It's always stooge inspired guys who are planning to do something.
#28. To: Phant2000 (#5)
#29. To: Cynicom (#18)
#30. To: Phant2000 (#0)
Militia Probe Included Undercover FBI Agent
#31. To: Flintlock, Phant2000 (#30)
Militia Probe Included Undercover FBI Agent
#32. To: Original_Intent (#31)
#33. To: Cynicom (#32)
There is a possibility that Piatek was NOT to be identified as the snitch.
#34. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Maybe a new place to sleep?
#35. To: Cynicom, resistors, all, 4 (#24)
Now they are all in cahoots.
#36. To: Lod (#35)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#31)
#38. To: Lod, All (#35)
#39. To: Original_Intent (#31)
#40. To: Flintlock (#39)
#41. To: Flintlock (#39)
These guys had to know they were a huge target for a gov rat in their midst. Nothing surprising here.
#42. To: Flintlock (#39)
#43. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
You'd think that Christ himself has come back and led an assault upon the FedGov. As if they're a bastion of goodness.
#44. To: Flintlock (#39)
These guys had to know they were a huge target for a gov rat in their midst. Nothing surprising here.
#45. To: Cynicom (#43)
#46. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
Wouldn't it be just awful if some of them started having "accidents"?
#47. To: Original_Intent (#44)
The problem is that they generally pick groups were the members are not terribly sharp and the spook is usually playing the role of the "loyalist of the loyal".
#48. To: Original_Intent (#44)
#49. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#36)
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#50. To: Original_Intent (#46)
#51. To: Eric Stratton (#48)
I would also think that in a sharp group they'd have found this rat's body floating in some pond somewhere.
#52. To: Lod (#49)
#53. To: Eric Stratton (#48)
However, a really sharp group would have little or no public profile, and I would be willing to bet that such exist if only on an informal level.
#54. To: Eric Stratton (#50)
I ditched the FedGov years ago simply due to the inefficiency. I couldn't stand seeing my career being wasted via all the bullshit that I observed. I was depressed working for them for the handful of years that I gave them. Most inefficient organization I've ever been involved with by miles. Miles. Wasting money doesn't even begin to explain it.
#55. To: Original_Intent (#53)
#56. To: Original_Intent (#54)
#57. To: Eric Stratton, 4 (#52)
#58. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
(Edited)
You'd think that Christ himself has come back and led an assault upon the FedGov. As if they're a bastion of goodness.
#59. To: Original_Intent (#44)
However, a really sharp group would have little or no public profile, and I would be willing to bet that such exist if only on an informal level.
#60. To: Phant2000 (#0)
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
#61. To: Phant2000 (#0)
(Edited)
#62. To: Original_Intent (#44)
However, a really sharp group would have little or no public profile, and I would be willing to bet that such exist if only on an informal level.
#63. To: Lod (#35)
We just have to wait for the first round to be fired, then game's on.
#64. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Phant2000, Original_Intent (#15)
In sworn testimony, Thomas William Piatek is described as a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Phant2000, ALL (#15)
In sworn testimony, Thomas William Piatek is described as a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: Phant2000 (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: FormerLurker, All (#65)
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