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Title: GOP wary of push for health law repeal in fall races
Source: http://www.katu.com/news/national/89603022.html
URL Source: http://www.katu.com/news/national/89603022.html
Published: Mar 31, 2010
Author: CHARLES BABINGTON and PHILIP ELLIOTT Ass
Post Date: 2010-03-31 14:12:01 by SonOfLiberty
Keywords: libertarians
Views: 238
Comments: 19

GOP wary of push for health law repeal in fall races

by CHARLES BABINGTON and PHILIP ELLIOTT Associated Press Writers

Originally printed at www.katu.com/news/national/89603022.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law.

It's fine to criticize the health law and the way Democrats pushed it through Congress without a single GOP vote, these party leaders say. But focusing on its outright repeal carries two big risks.

Repeal is politically and legally unlikely, and grass-roots activists may feel disillusioned by a failed crusade. More important, say strategists from both parties, a fiercely repeal-the-bill stance might prove far less popular in a general election than in a conservative-dominated GOP primary, especially in states such as Illinois and California.

Democrats are counting on that scenario. They say more Americans will learn of the new law's benefits over time and anger over its messy legislative pedigree will fade. For months, Democrats have eagerly catalogued Republican congressional candidates who pledge to repeal the health care law, vowing to make them pay in November.

Republican leaders are stepping cautiously, wary of angering staunchly conservative voters bent on repealing the new law. In recent public comments, they have quietly played down the notion of repealing the law while emphasizing claims that it will hurt jobs, the economy and the deficit.

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who chairs the committee responsible for electing GOP senators this fall, said in an interview, "The focus really should be on the misplaced priorities of the administration" and Congress' Democratic leaders.

"The No. 1 concern of the public is jobs and people losing their homes," he said. "The administration has been obsessing on this health care bill."

Asked if he advises Republican Senate candidates to call for repealing the law, Cornyn said: "Candidates are going to test the winds in their own states. ... In some places, the health care bill is more popular than others."

On Tuesday, Cornyn issued a 1,280-word campaign memo that mentioned "repeal" only once. It did not advocate repeal but noted that in a recent poll, "46 percent of respondents support a full repeal" of the health law.

Three weeks ago, Cornyn told reporters he thought GOP Senate candidates would and should run on a platform of repealing the legislation.

Cornyn and others increasingly are focused on several corporations' claims that a provision of the new law that cancels a tax benefit will hurt profits and hiring. This approach places a greater premium on pivoting to the economy instead of dwelling on the legalistic process of trying to repeal the complex law.

"The health care debate provides a natural segue into talking about the economy and jobs," said Nicklaus Simpson, spokesman for the Senate Republican Conference, a policy group.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which strongly opposed the health bill's passage, said Tuesday, "While some discuss repeal, the U.S. Chamber believes a more effective approach is to work through all available and appropriate avenues - regulatory, legislative, legal and political - to fix the bill's flaws and minimize its harmful impacts."

Obama said last week he would relish a Republican bid to repeal the new law.

"My attitude is, go for it," Obama said in Iowa on Friday. "If these congressmen in Washington want to come here in Iowa and tell small-business owners that they plan to take away their tax credits and essentially raise their taxes, be my guest."

Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, who chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in an interview that his team began months ago pressing Republican candidates to state whether they support repeal of the health care legislation. Most of them have, and Democrats predict such support will prove unpopular this fall.

"We believe the issue of repeal is one that puts the Republicans in a pretty sticky place," Menendez said. "You never want to wage a campaign telling voters you want to take something away from them."

In Illinois, where there's a spirited battle to fill the Senate seat Obama once held, Democrats seem to have hit a nerve by attacking Republican nominee Mark Kirk's pledge to try to repeal the health law. Two weeks ago, Kirk said he would "lead the effort" to repeal the measure.

On Tuesday, when asked repeatedly by reporters whether he still wants it repealed, Kirk would say only that he opposes the new taxes and Medicare cuts associated with the law.

Republican strategist Kevin Madden said the repeal message is "a call to action" that excites many conservative voters, who will be important in November. But the risk of talking only about repeal, he said, "is you only define your position by what you're against."

Madden said GOP candidates should advocate "repeal and reform," which will let them discuss alternative ways to control health care expenses, quality and access. Because an actual repeal is unlikely, he said, candidates should not get bogged down in the mechanics of how it might work, and focus instead on issues such as costs.

"The legislative track is largely finished," Madden said.

Menendez said Democrats in many states will ask their GOP opponents why they want to restore insurance companies' ability to deny coverage to people with medical problems and to young adults who otherwise can stay on their parents' health plans until age 26.

Candidates seeking the GOP nominations in many states, Menendez said, "are facing tremendous pressure from the tea party, from the party base" to embrace a position that could hurt them when more independent and moderate voters go to the polls in the general election.

But several conservative groups are adamant about trying to repeal the new law, and they have attacked GOP candidates who refuse to join them. The Club for Growth launched a "Repeal It" campaign in January, and is urging supporters to back only those candidates who make the pledge.

Many Republicans facing competitive Senate primaries have signed up, even if they might confront a far more moderate electorate in the general election.

"I've taken the pledge to repeal the law and replace it with true reform that will increase quality and lower costs," said Carly Fiorina, vying for the GOP nomination to challenge Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer in California.

SonOfLiberty: There we go guys. If you think you can elect your way back to liberty, the GOP is already sending up signals that it's not interested. Now what? You ready to submit to slavery quietly? Or do you think maybe you can learn to stand on your feet like human beings and dissent, finally?

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#1. To: SonOfLiberty (#0)

Etienne de la Boetie spoke eloquently about this very subject...

http://books.google.com/books? id=5wPoi8ymR_gC&dq=Etienne+de+la+Boetie&printsec=frontcover&source=an&hl=en&ei=f 5KzS_auBoH88Abam- TmAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-03-31   14:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SonOfLiberty, ALL (#0)

Top Republicans are increasingly worried that GOP candidates this fall might be burned by a fire that's roaring through the conservative base: demand for the repeal of President Barack Obama's new health care law. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There we go guys. If you think you can elect your way back to liberty, the GOP is already sending up signals that it's not interested. Now what? You ready to submit to slavery quietly? Or do you think maybe you can learn to stand on your feet like human beings and dissent, finally?

Translation: Both Parties are in reality ONE PARTY controlled by the SAME interests.

The Hellthcare Bill was a big element of the NWO plan for taking down and controlling the United States and its citizens and they will not give it back up without a fight.

Part of the solution is to NOT vote for any candidate who expresses any element of support for a National Hellth Plan.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-03-31   14:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

Expresses? heh

We should only vote for the ones that tell us the lies we want to hear then? ;)

Now don't get me wrong, if we all, miraculously, voted for Libertarian or Constitution Party candidates and suddenly there were a lot of third party Congressmen, then ok, yeah, I agree. Republicans/Dems are going to be strongly vetted by the PTB. Those who run independent are the only chance, if you ask me (like some have done).

Even then, honestly, I don't think it will do a wad of spit against this. It looks to be like they've entrenched and dug in hard.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-03-31   14:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SonOfLiberty (#0) (Edited)

a. Obama said last week he would relish a Republican bid to repeal the new law. "My attitude is, go for it," Obama said in Iowa on Friday.

b. I've taken the pledge to repeal the law and replace it with true reform that will increase quality and lower costs," said Carly Fiorina, vying for the GOP nomination to challenge Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer in California.

c. Republican strategist Kevin Madden said the repeal message is "a call to action" that excites many conservative voters, who will be important in November. But the risk of talking only about repeal, he said, "is you only define your position by what you're against."

a. Be careful of what you wish for, as*hole.

b. If this is Carly Fiorina's platform, she'll get my vote solely on that promise. If she added that she'd sponsor a bill to repeal birthright citizenship and to cut all benefits for illegals, I'd bet that she'd win every single vote in my community within a 5 mile radius.

c. The GOP needs to lose milque toast, quivering jelly pieces, RINO "strategists" like Kevin Madden. Ditto for dumping the DNC Trojan Horse, Michael Steele.

The GOP needs to go for the Dem Party jugular with hard hitting ads and billboards and the wide distribution of free-t shirts like:

- "why does the Dem Party hate Grandma and Grandpa? why is $600 Billion being cut from Medicare to pay for expanded welfare rolls?" AND

-"why is the Secty of Health going to decide what health insurance plan is best for you? did you elect the Secty of health?" AND

"is it fair that health insurance premiums of 85% of Americans are going to increase to benefit the 10% of Americans who are currently uninsured?" AND

"why are 16,000 new IRS agents being hired under Obamacare?"

"Obamacare guarantees free Viagra to sex offenders in federal prisons. Is this what you thought Health Care Reform meant?"

Etc, etc.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-03-31   14:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   17:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   17:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   17:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

Nothing left but to deplore the World Wrestling Federation circus. Pelosi dumps Cornyn on his big head in a pile driver and does a victory lap around the ring. Everyone goes to the grill for steaks after. It's all been carefully choreographed.

The pubbie establishment has no stomach for repealing this bill which is another massive bailout of the financial sector by way of the insurance companies and provides a raft of new taxes that will flood DC coffers.

Perhaps when people begin to see what's in this legislation, there might be a populist revolt that could put the names of some real insurrectionists on the ballot. But I've got my doubts if Congress can be sufficiently repopulated in the fall to make a difference. I think that voters will come to learn in November that ordinary politics will no longer do.

What will be interesting is to what extent will folks be ready to go in terms of extraordinary politics.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-03-31   18:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#7) (Edited)

Your faith in a political process designed for the politicians, not the people, is sorely misplaced.

I've read what you base your faith on and thanks but no thanks I like normal straight forward better than oddball fringe.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-03-31   18:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   19:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   19:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

Simply more hard-on for me bullshit that you can't seem to shake off.

Uh, I'm not the one stalking threads you post to. In fact I've tried my hardest to pointedly ignore your pings to me.

Follow your own advice, Bucko. Grow up and tag after another poster, who might actually be interested in what you say.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-03-31   20:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton, scrapper2 (#7)

Your faith in a political process designed for the politicians, not the people, is sorely misplaced.

Ease up there a mite, Eric.

You all are hittin' each other kind of hard over nuthin'.

You guys are on the same side more or less. Hate to see two smart posters like you on the outs.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-03-31   20:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2 (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   20:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#13)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   20:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#13)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   20:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

And BTW a step away from bozo

Well, I must say that I can't spend as much time here as I would like. Seem that I missed some fireworks recently. I'm kind of surprised really as neither of you are normally as strident and personal as I've seen you here today.

I won't say it's about nothing, but a small dose of Christian charity never hurts.

Peace and all like that.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-03-31   20:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   20:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-03-31   20:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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