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Title: Undercover agent helped in probe of Hutaree
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URL Source: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ ... informant&template=fullarticle
Published: Apr 1, 2010
Author: FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS
Post Date: 2010-04-01 07:18:53 by Kamala
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Posted: 11:33 a.m. March 31, 2010 | Updated: 6:23 p.m. March 31, 2010 Undercover agent helped in probe of Hutaree By DAVID ASHENFELTER and BEN SCHMITT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS Comments (276) Recommend (4) Print E-mail Letter to the editor Share Facebook Twitter FarkIt Digg Del.icio.us Reddit Newsvine Buzz up! | An undercover law enforcement officer infiltrated a Christian militia group to gather evidence that led to FBI raids of the Michigan-based Hutaree group over the weekend. Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Waterstreet told U.S. Magistrate Judge Donald Scheer this afternoon that the leader of the group, David B. Stone, 45, of Clayton wanted the undercover agent to prepare bombs to fight law enforcement officers, who the group regarded as enemies of the country. During the ongoing detention hearing, which began around 1:15 p.m., for eight alleged members of the group, Waterstreet played an audiotape of Stone saying, “Now is the time to strike and take our nation back. … This war will come whether we are ready or not. We will fight alongside anyone that calls the new world order their enemy.” Stone’s speech was clandestinely recorded on Feb. 6 in a vehicle as members of the group were headed to Kentucky for a meeting with other militia groups, the prosecutor said, adding that Stone’s remarks were part of a speech he planned to deliver at a gathering in Kentucky. According to prosecutors, on the way back from Kentucky, Stone pointed out a Hudson, Mich., police officer who had pulled someone over and said: “We’re going to pop him, guaranteed.” Someone else in the van mentioned the Hudson police department was a small force, prompting a reply from Stone: “We’ll pop every one of them.” The new information about the group came out during the detention hearing at the federal courthouse in Detroit in which Scheer is to decide whether the eight are to remain jailed pending trial. A ninth member of the group appeared Tuesday in federal court in Indiana and was to be transferred to Michigan. Several members of the group are charged with seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, and knowingly transferring arms used in violent crimes. Newly court-appointed defense lawyers repeatedly objected to Waterstreet’s allegations made during the hearing. The defense lawyers said the government should be forced to put an agent on the witness stand, and subject to cross-examination, so the magistrate could more thoroughly weigh the credibility of the claims. Scheer repeatedly overruled such objections. Stone’s lawyer, William Swor, of Detroit sought to mitigate the government’s claims, arguing, “All they’re saying is my client has opinions and knows how to use his mouth.” Swor argued that Waterstreet had presented no evidence of a crime or justification for the magistrate to conclude that the defendants represented a danger to the community or a risk of flight if they were released. It is not yet clear who the agent was who infiltrated the group or how he apparently gained the group’s confidence. During the weekend raids at Stone’s home, agents seized more than 300 pieces of evidence, including explosives, bomb components and shrapnel, Waterstone said. Waterstreet said one defendant Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio told the group in January that he shot his pet cat to determine “If I could kill something I had a feeling for.” A theme that developed throughout today’s hearing from defense lawyers was that Hutaree members were big talkers, who were short on action. “That’s all you have, is a lot of talk – guys who like to dress up in fatigues,” said Michael Rataj, who represents Tina Stone, the wife of David Stone. “Absolutely nothing illegal about any of it.” David Stone's lawyer, Swor, said in court: “He talked, he trained. So what?” He added, “What we heard is that Mr. Stone talked a lot and that Mr. Stone is angry.” The detention hearings will resume at 1 p.m. Thursday. After the hearing today, David Stone Sr.’s ex-wife, Donna Stone, angrily left the courthouse with Shannon Witt, who recently married Joshua Stone, and Brittany Bryant, the fiancée to David Stone Jr. “I don’t have a comment; neither does anyone else,” Donna Stone said between profanities. “Leave us alone.”
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#1. To: Kamala (#0)
300 pieces of evidence, including Scheer repeatedly overruled such objections Oh yes, protect the snitch at all costs.
A "snitch" always has a "motive" to lie, exagerate, and commit flagrant premeditated perjury to accomodate the pigs. The "snitch" will do "anything" to get or keep his own sorry ass out of prison. What ever happened to "Brady v. Maryland?"
There is still confusion as to who the snitch is and whether he was in fact working for the government, or any law agency. He will have to be revealed when it goes to court, at that time his life is worthless. Snitchs are USED by law enforcement and also despised by them.
Yep. The pigs will USE their low level snitches until that snitch no longer has any more value to them. Then the pigs will entrap, or "set up" that snitch, arrest their snitch, and won't acknowledge any past association with 'em.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I learned many long years ago that Federal law enforcement was political. At that time local law was generally trusted, that is no longer the case. All of us are the enemy, guilty, evidence or no evidence.
This militia thing is just another in a long string of entrapments, something that use to be illegal.
Entraping citizens is one big game to lots of sinister, sadistic minded sadist psycho pigs agenda. From my personal experience with local pigs, it seems like they are "entertained" by fabricating evidence, then harrassing their "prey", and watching their "targets" suffer.
Our ONLY recourse is, trust none of them, that way we wont be misled.
Another one of their favorite "games" is their "good cop, bad cop" scheme. Their "good cop" is just an actor, and is always the skum of the earth.
Often times these types actively contribute to inflaming the people they are targeting. It again seems these types are about everywhere. Possibly one or two active in most every militia. No doubt 4um itself is similarly monitored.
As Predicted, FBI Agent Discovered at Center of Alleged Hutaree Conspiracy Kurt Nimmo Infowars.com March 31, 2010 On Monday we asked you to count the hours before links to the feds emerged on this one – turns out it was 48. The FBI had an informant inside the Hutaree group and he participated in the alleged conspiracy to kill law enforcement officers, according to The Wall Street Journal today. In sworn testimony, Thomas William Piatek is described as a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent. Thomas William Piatek is pictured at the bottom right. It is interesting to note that, unlike the other suspects, he appears not to be wearing a jail uniform. “A spokesperson at the FBI’s Detroit office declined to comment on the undercover agent and any role such an agent may have had in the investigation. A spokesman at the Justice Department in Washington also declined to discuss specifics of the investigation,” the Journal reports. It is not surprising that the FBI had penetrated the Hutaree group and an agent was apparently at the center of the alleged conspiracy. In fact, it is part of a well established pattern. On March 20, Infowars.com reported on allegations that a federal agent acted as a provocateur in the New York synagogue bombing conspiracy case. Defense attorneys in the case argued in court that the plot was hatched and directed by a federal informant. “They said the informant badgered the defendants until they got involved in the plot,” NBC New York reported. “They said the informant chose the targets, supplied fake bombs for the synagogues and a fake missile to shoot down planes. The motion said he also offered to pay the defendants, who attorneys alleged weren’t inclined toward any crime until the informant began recruiting them.” “This whole operation was a foolish waste of time and money,” Terence Kindlon, a defense lawyer who represented a client in the New York synagogue case, told the Times Online. “It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.” Defendants in the New Jersey Fort Dix Army terror case painted a similar picture. “The only terrorist conspiracy was one planted and nurtured by the informant,” declared defense attorney Rocco Cip during the trial. The FBI’s role in the case was admitted by a provocateur. “The FBI informant paid to infiltrate a band of suspected terrorists in South Jersey said yesterday that he offered to organize their attack on U.S. soldiers, but only because he wanted to build trust and find out more about the group,” the Star-Ledger reported on November 11, 2008. In Miami, the FBI case against the so-called Miami Seven came apart at the seams when it was discovered a government provocateur provided money, video cameras for conducting surveillance, cellphones, and suggested that the patsies target the Miami FBI office. In 2009, it was discovered that supposed white supremacist and radio talk show host Hal Turner was a National Security Intelligence asset, a fact admitted by the third highest ranking FBI official in New York City. During a second trial held this year, Turner described how he was recruited in 2003 by the FBI’s Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force. He said he was paid “in excess of $100,000” by the FBI during his almost five years as an informant. According to research conducted by Alexandra Natapoff of Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, the FBI maintains an army of at least 15,000 “confidential informants,” while the DEA admits to having 4,000 snitches. “But the number of informants working directly for the Feds is probably only a tiny fraction of the entire stukachi [a Russian epithet used to describe a secret police informant] population, given the uncounted masses of snitches working for state and local police agencies,” writes William Norman Grigg of the Pro Libertate blog. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
300 pieces of evidence, including explosives, bomb components and shrapnel
explosives firecrackers, bomb components some old black iron water pipe and shrapnel a box of roofing nails
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
#2. To: Kamala (#0)
Newly court-appointed defense lawyers repeatedly objected to Waterstreet’s allegations made during the hearing. The defense lawyers said the government should be forced to put an agent on the witness stand, and subject to cross-examination, so the magistrate could more thoroughly weigh the credibility of the claims.
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
snitch
#4. To: sizzlerguy (#3)
The "snitch" will do "anything" to get or keep his own sorry ass out of prison.
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
Snitches are USED by law enforcement and also are despised by them.
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6)
That's another good point, when the shit finally hits the fan, can we count on infighting within the ranks of LE. (rhetorical)
#8. To: sizzlerguy (#5)
Then the pigs will entrap,
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
another long string of entrapments,
#10. To: sizzlerguy (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
trust none of them,
#12. To: Cynicom (#4)
There is still confusion as to who the snitch is and whether he was in fact working for the government, or any law agency.
#13. To: Kamala (#0)
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