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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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Published: Apr 1, 2010
Author: RR
Post Date: 2010-04-01 10:32:18 by Itistoolate
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   11:35:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Technically speaking, yes. Congress makes the budget, not the President. Well, at least that's how it was at one time. What the new Rules of Tyranny are, I'm not entirely clear on at this point in time.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   11:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

in the best of all possible son of liberty worlds, americans will shoot enough of each other that they wont need to know why they're shooting anybody...

the reasons why will disappear in a sea of blood.

but that's okay, because the time for education is over.

all we need to do is shoot people, nevermind why.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:54:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

in the best of all possible son of liberty worlds, americans will shoot enough of each other that they wont need to know why they're shooting anybody...

the reasons why will disappear in a sea of blood.

but that's okay, because the time for education is over.

all we need to do is shoot people, nevermind why.

Where are you going with this, ground?

You are associating very nasty words/imagery with Son Of Liberty that he has never uttered on 4um, at least to my knowledge.

Although I'm not the moderator or owner of this free speech forum, as a poster, I would not like it at all if you did to me what you are doing to Son Of Liberty. You are pushing the envelope on abusing Son of Liberty's free speech by putting words in his mouth, and unattractive ones at that.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   12:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the IRS, not one of those people is doing anything but evil, I don't care how it's justified or framed.

We all gotta go sometime, best to go out with a good death for the right reasons.

The education period is over.

those are sol's words.

are you trying to say that sol is just a blowhard, and has no intention of doing a suicide attack on the IRS?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:21:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

those are sol's words.

are you trying to say that sol is just a blowhard, and has no intention of doing a suicide attack on the IRS?

1. selectively cutting and pasting another poster's remarks out of context demonstrates cheap and cheesey net etiquette on your part and actually undermines your credibility, if you had any to start with

2. if there's any poster here that seems to show signs of instability or a volatile personality, it's you, what with your 24/7 negative posting fixation with zionists and aipac

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   12:56:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

if there's any poster here that seems to show signs of instability or a volatile personality, it's you, what with your 24/7 negative posting fixation with zionists and aipac

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:58:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

a. You could have had the decency to ping SonOfLiberty when you allege he refused to do something.

b. I take offense at your twisting my words from post #30. You seem to have a bad habit of abusing/disrespecting other posters' free speech rights. I say what I mean and I mean what I say and I don't appreciate your mis-stating what I said previously.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:21:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't appreciate

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:25:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

I appreciate the fact that christine has provided a political discussion forum dedicated to free speech rights, that allows all posters, including SonOfLiberty and you and me, the right to post comments to all or none of any thread discussions, to respond to all or none of the posters here.

What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda.

What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle.

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:38:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   14:27:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.

Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck. Please let me help you acquire clearer insight.

Why don't you cast your eyes on ground's inflammatory accusations/attempts to impune Son Of Liberty's character in the following posts on this thread alone, I might add:

#5

#12

#16

#19

#22

#28

#37

#41

#42

#43

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   14:44:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck.

OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.

Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   14:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.

Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal.

Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

The only reason I involved myself in this matter was because of what ground and SLO posted ON THIS THREAD ALONE. What troubled me was how ground tried to impune SLO's character by associating words and images with SLO that SLO did not say on THIS THREAD. In fact, ground subsequently tried to do the same thing to me - twisting my words - after I came to SLO's defense ie. when I cautioned ground about how abusive/disrespectful it is to purposely mis-state what others posters have actually said.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   15:16:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:24:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

scrapper: Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

buckeroo: Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.

Fyi, buckeroo, whenever I want to make any "publick" admission, I am quite familiar with using a computer keyboard and the post function at 4um. I don't need any help from you regarding what I want to express.

Focus, buck, please. As I noted to you earlier, there is ONLY ONE ISSUE under discussion from my point of view. That issue is ground's disrespectful/abuse of SLO's free speech rights on this thread wherein ground impuned SLO's character with inflammatory allegations and malicious mis-statements of what SLO actually stated ON THIS THREAD. Right from the start of this thread, for no reason, ground made several rude, and provocative statements to and about SLO. It was quite bizarre and that's when I involved myself. I have not paid much attention to comments by ground or SLO on other threads and as I told you, I don't have any interest in what might be an attempt on your part to obscure ground's objectionable net behavior here and now ON THIS THREAD alone by posting cut and paste, out of context comments by the 2 of them from other threads.

So this is the last time I'm going to tell you this, buck, so pay close attention, please. I do not see any other "issues" as in plural in this thread. The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.

If you see other issues, go for it. Maybe you'll get lucky and you will engage another poster, besides ground, that is. But that other poster won't be me, that's for sure.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.

sol has posted exactly what he wanted to post.

too bad sol and the rest of you zionists have such a flagrant disregard for the truth when it comes to israel's control of american media, foreign policy, and politics.

too bad you so flagrantly disregard israel's role in trying to expand the wars.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   16:34:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

too bad sol and the rest of you zionists have such a flagrant disregard for the truth when it comes to israel's control of american media, foreign policy, and politics.

So now you're calling me a Zionist? This latest allegation just takes my breath away.

Oh my, now tears are running down my cheeks as I try to type.

I don't know what more I can add other than wow, just wow, you're a serious out-of-control, irrational, nutty babbling gnat of a poster.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:52:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ROFLMAO!!

This thread is simply far too hilarious!

Yes, it's turned into quite a spectacular train wreck and though I know I should avert my eyes and drive on by, I can't resist stopping for a closer view, so to speak.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:57:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, it's turned into quite a spectacular train wreck and though I know I should avert my eyes and drive on by, I can't resist stopping for a closer view, so to speak.

But your support of SoL is everlasting, 'eh? Sol wants to kick ass on a government he/she can't understand. And you are right there behind him.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   17:00:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But your support of SoL is everlasting, 'eh? Sol wants to kick ass on a government he/she can't understand. And you are right there behind him.

And there you are, buck, making totally false, malicious and rather dangerous allegations about me.

And here I am reporting you to christine for abusing my free speech rights and violating her forum's rules of conduct.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   17:08:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And here I am reporting you.....

Good job. It won't be the last time I was banned *ANYWHERE* under the Sun with or without your commitment.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   17:10:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Good job. It won't be the last time I was banned *ANYWHERE* under the Sun with or without your commitment.

A simple apology for blatantly mis-reprepresenting my views and a voluntary deletion of your falsehoods about me might have gone a long way to convincing me of your sincere regret for your outrageous conduct and I would have considered withdrawing my complaint to christine.

But since it appears you want to own your lies and suffer the consequences, frankly I would feel relieved if christine decided to ban you, buckeroo.

It's not fair to me or to other posters to have to worry about an unprincipled loose cannon like you, who shows no regret whatsoever for posting slanderous allegations about them anytime he pleases.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   17:39:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A simple apology for blatantly mis-reprepresenting my views and a voluntary deletion of your falsehoods about me might have gone a long way to convincing me of your sincere regret for your outrageous conduct and I would have considered withdrawing my complaint to christine.

Naw.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   17:52:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Naw.

I wasn't expecting an apology from you at this stage. Like I said before:

"But since it appears you want to own your lies and suffer the consequences, frankly I would feel relieved if christine decided to ban you, buckeroo."

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   18:21:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wasn't expecting an apology from you at this stage.

Why should I achieve your expectations? Because you believe in some kind of majiick? Why not get to the core of debate? Why not stand up as a man? But no, you chose to rattle the forum mistress based upon some personal grief that is not only unreal but lack of substance.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   18:34:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

you chose to rattle the forum mistress based upon some personal grief that is not only unreal but lack of substance.

Perhaps you have been living under a rock for the past 9 years. Let me bring you up to speed. We live in uncertain times. By virtue of legislation called the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, our government has empowered NSA, DHS brown-shirts to scour the Internet looking for any signs of trouble makers, turrerists, whatever suits their whim at the moment.

I have zero tolerance for a lying, loose cannon clown like yourself making dangerous, slanderous allegations about me at the best of times, never mind during these very tense times in our nation.

Furthermore, you are a long time poster at 4um. You know christine's rules about slander, encroaching on other people's free speech rights. You crossed the line in spades with me. And to add insult to injury, you have showed no regret, nor have you made any effort to make things right.

Buy a clue, why don't you. It's your objectionable abusive behavior not mine that has led to this situation. Follow your own advice to me, buck, be a man, take responsibility for the cawcaw you have created for yourself.

Got it now, "pal?"

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have zero tolerance for a lying, loose cannon clown like yourself making dangerous, slanderous allegations about me at the best of times, never mind during these very tense times in our nation.

If anyone has been coaching some of the posters about their "passionate" concepts, it is me.

Hard to believe that I bring common sense and helpful information into this disjointed world and into this chit-chat channel. You have to understand that many are lQQking at you .... you have to be responsible.

Being self responsible was the basic tenet of our nation. Today, getting a pat on the back is meaningless.

I have done you no harm; I have performed no dirty tricks but to learn your opinion about the world around us. And, I think others deserve an answer to obvious questions that are ignored.

Let me say, we need more folks like yourself to make statements and create the best channel on the planet. But, you can't hide like SoL.... it can't happen.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   19:51:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hard to believe that I bring common sense and helpful information into this disjointed world and into this chit-chat channel.

LOL! Yeah, the understatement of the week (at least). It is not just hard to believe, but having read numerous posts by you I would say it is fair nigh impossible to believe you "bring common sense and helpful information." One does not bring what one does not have.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   21:13:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but having read numerous posts by you

Too cool! Another groupie. What do you want, to feel my chest hair?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   21:47:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Too cool! Another groupie. What do you want, to feel my chest hair?

See my last post to you before this one. And the answer to your question is no, not even if you had any.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   21:51:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

See my last post to you before this one.

Why should anyone see your posts? You never add anything to the debate other than fucking whom you consider a friend in the ass.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   22:01:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why should anyone see your posts? You never add anything to the debate other than fucking whom you consider a friend in the ass.

I told you before that I don't play that. You will have to find someone else to indulge your homoerotic fantasies.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   22:06:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You will have to find someone else to indulge your homoerotic fantasies.

I am confident that you are MORE than homosexual. It isn't your fault either. You just cling to government giving a thrill without any personal perspective other than love.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   22:10:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are so freakin' weird even you don't know what you're saying. And I gave up trying to decipher your unintelligible, meaningless drivel and bs a long time ago.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   22:12:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hunching, huncking burning love, 'eh?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   22:14:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hunching, huncking burning love, 'eh?

Whatever you and your boyfriend do in the privacy of your own home is none of my business.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   22:22:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Whatever you and your boyfriend do in the privacy of your own home is none of my business.

Strange concept from a self-professed bastardized conservative, have you revisited the punks that make you happy at the happy logs?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   22:29:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I know I will probably be sorry for asking (since you rarely, if ever, make any sense) but wtf is a "self-professed bastardized conservative" and if I am supposed to be one exactly when did I profess it? I have no memory of any such thing. But then I don't even know what you are talking about and doubt very much that you do.

To answer the second part of your inane, idiotic question, I haven't been visiting any "punks" and know nothing about any "happy logs." I am just guessing that you may be talking about your queer friends in the Log Cabin Republicans but I have nothing to do with them. But hey, if gay's your way and you keep it just between yourself and your significant other(s), it is none of my business.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   22:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The BureaucRATS CAUSED this friggin' mess...we cannot afford to reward incompetent RATS fer being incompetent RATS!! Make taxes to pay fer the lavish lifestyles of the RulingElite VOLUNTARY to WeThePeople...we'll use a check-off if we wanna send a coupla thousand bucks each year to support those who have bankrupted America and demean the folks--calling us "TeaBaggers", no less--who are paying their outta control, sky-rocketing salaries AND RETIREMENT Golden Parachutes!!

I'm purty shore we can write this up in Constitutional Amendment Form...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-04-01   22:40:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ABOLISH ALL FEDERAL PENSIONS (save, of course, the Military!!)...

Uh huh. And what are you going to tell the old folks about their Social(ist) (In)Security? It doesn't matter that there never has been any guarantee that anyone would ever see a dime out of it but that is not the point. The point is that they paid in to it based on what they believed was a promise. The fact that they were lied to only means they were conned, not just by the politicians but their useful lackeys in the msm. Even if someone explained all that to them they will still not like it a bit when someone (anyone) starts talking about taking away their bennies.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   22:45:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"...what are you going to tell the old folks about their Social(ist) (In)Security?"

I'm gonna tell old folks that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch...and if yer hard-working enuff and industrious enuff, maybe you can save enuff capital to achieve a point in their lives where they no longer MUST work to earn a living, and they can call themselves "RETIRED"...but if they QUIT WORKING II friggin' early in life, Dem Lazy Bums got no one to blame but themselves when they're eating scraps from Longshanks' Table when they git really, really olde. It's not my friggin' job to pay fer yer parents' Golden Years, JimmieDee...let me worry about my own kin, okay?

Personally, I'm NEVER gonna RETIRE...never gonna stop working to achieve my aims and I sure hope to be gittin' wealthier well into my 80's and 90's...so WHY the HE!! should I pay into a F.I.C.A. system I never intend to access?! That is THIEVERY by the Federales and I think I can take this AAALLL the way to the Supreme Court!! R U with me, JimmieDee?!

WooHOOO...have a great weekend, kid...MUD

BTW...arrrgh.

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-04-02   5:42:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm gonna tell old folks that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch...

Yeah, you do that. And while they are stoning you they will tell you that they paid into that $#it most, if not all, their working lives and the politicians promised them that it would be there for them when they were old and no longer able to work. I didn't bring that up because I think Social Security is a wonderful thing. I think it is just more socialism and that FDR should have been hung for treason, not just for that but for a lot of the things he did. But you have several generations of people who have paid into that Ponzi scheme and who believe, rightly or wrongly, that they are entitled to receive those payments until their dying day. What needs to happen (imo) is for the American people to be told the truth, the truth being that there is no such thing as a "Social Security Trust Fund" and never has been. That the money they paid in all went into the general fund and was spent and pissed away just like all other tax revenues. And that younger people shouldn't even think that they will ever get anything out of it. For that reason they (the younger people) will no longer have to pay into it and that the government will continue payments to the older people for x number of years. In other words phase it out but don't do so in a way to throw older people under the train. And people also should be told that the only reason it ever worked was because when it first started there were a lot more people paying into it than were taking from it, just like all Ponzi schemes. But as the pool of "new investors" goes down and the number of people receiving the payments go up it fails just like any Ponzi scheme does. It's one of the reasons why they are illegal and why no one in the private sector can run one without risking serious jail time.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-02   22:32:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Social Security TRUST FUND is specially-designed fer MORONIC, LeftWing IDIOTS!!

Congrats, my friend, apparently you made the grade...LOL!! Trust me...if you give me 15% of yer money fer the next 50 years, I'll make you rich when yer OLDE!!

LOL...IDIOT!! BWAHAHAHAHA...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-04-03   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL...IDIOT!! BWAHAHAHAHA...MUD

It appears that you are the IDIOT (for taking stuff out of context and not being able to understand what you read, or try to read). I think Samuel Gray told you this a week or ten days ago (something like that anyway), but if you pulled the $#it in person that you do on this board the only thing that would beat your dying ass to the hospital would be the headlights on the ambulance that was taking you there.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-03   18:19:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL...JimmieDee, I wasn't callin' YOU an IDIOT, I was just saying that anyopne STOOOPID enuff to believe that Social Security was a good deal fer the taxpayer was a 100% unadulterated MORON...but I'm sure you don't believe that, right?

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-04-03   22:47:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"LOL...JimmieDee, I wasn't callin' YOU an IDIOT, I was just saying that anyone STOOOPID enuff to believe that Social Security was a good deal fer the taxpayer was a 100% unadulterated MORON...but I'm sure you don't believe that, right?"

Cat got yer tongue, JimmieDee?!

Punk-assed FICA-lovin' bee-ahhhtch...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-04-05   8:30:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#214. To: Mudboy Slim (#213)

You will be going on the clown filter but I wanted to tell you before I put you on it that I have been fighting against the government and its various scams (including the "income" tax and Social(ist) (In)Security) for something like 25 years. Even wrote a couple of books about it. But you are an idiot and can't even comprehend simple stuff, either that or willfully take it out of context so you can make a point. But you make very few points and no friends whatsoever doing stuff like that. Adios.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-05 09:20:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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