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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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Published: Apr 1, 2010
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.

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Results 1 - 10 of about 140,000 for zionist ownership american media

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Results 1 - 10 of about 277,000 for walt mearsheimer "israel lobby" "foreign policy".

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,600,000 for israel US attack iran

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it will all be better just as soon as we acknowledge the fact that the time for education is over.

all we have to do is shoot the people our leaders want us to shoot.

the last thing we need to know is: why are we shooting people?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   11:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

in the best of all possible son of liberty worlds, americans will shoot enough of each other that they wont need to know why they're shooting anybody...

the reasons why will disappear in a sea of blood.

but that's okay, because the time for education is over.

all we need to do is shoot people, nevermind why.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   11:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hi christine,

I looked at this thread before logging in and see that "groundresonance" is continually accusing me of advocating illegal acts of violence that could get me arrested, which I have never, ever once advocated (I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, as I'm sure everybody is probably tired of hearing me say over and over). She is also stalking me from thread to thread I notice.

While I have her on bozo, I wonder at the wisdom of her posting countless posts on threads accusing me of advocating violence for "authorities" to see. Since I normally don't see her posts to deny them, I suspect that this could potentially cause some serious and real life consequences for me for things I've never done.

Thoughts?

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure, no doubt. But he had a Democratic Congress so I suspect veto or not the same things would have went through, only without his tax cuts and such.

Not really defending him per se so much as noting that we often forget who presumably controls (controlled?) the purse strings.

At this point it's academic though. Ancient history. This is the new empire. Quaint concepts like budgets and restraint/responsibilities do not apply.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   12:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the IRS, not one of those people is doing anything but evil, I don't care how it's justified or framed.

We all gotta go sometime, best to go out with a good death for the right reasons.

The education period is over.

what's your problem?

are you now confirming that you're just another zionist blowhard?

do you think that americans will be able to kill enough americans that they wont have the time or inclination to figure out where this destruction is coming from?

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,600,000 for israel US attack iran

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

in the best of all possible son of liberty worlds, americans will shoot enough of each other that they wont need to know why they're shooting anybody...

the reasons why will disappear in a sea of blood.

but that's okay, because the time for education is over.

all we need to do is shoot people, nevermind why.

Where are you going with this, ground?

You are associating very nasty words/imagery with Son Of Liberty that he has never uttered on 4um, at least to my knowledge.

Although I'm not the moderator or owner of this free speech forum, as a poster, I would not like it at all if you did to me what you are doing to Son Of Liberty. You are pushing the envelope on abusing Son of Liberty's free speech by putting words in his mouth, and unattractive ones at that.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   12:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll cut him the benefit of the doubt and try to believe that his intent wasn't specifically to create hyperinflation. That said, intent and reality are two different things.

Dunno. By the time Reagan got into office the machinations of the coup were so far under way that no other outcomes were possible I guess. I doubt he could have done the right thing no matter what he'd chosen to do (nor would any of us). You can't win in a rigged game.

If you ask me (and I know you didn't) the best thing he could have done to serve American people would have been to take his wonderful eloquence and penchant for rhetorically upholding individual liberty, and created a movement against Leviathan that did not involve him holding office. Once you buy into the system enough to start holding office, they got you.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the IRS, not one of those people is doing anything but evil, I don't care how it's justified or framed.

We all gotta go sometime, best to go out with a good death for the right reasons.

The education period is over.

those are sol's words.

are you trying to say that sol is just a blowhard, and has no intention of doing a suicide attack on the IRS?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   12:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He's obviously unlike anyone with any cognizance or brains here.

so israel does not want america to attack iran?

is that what we're supposed to think?

the price of oil, today, went up to over $84 a barrel.

where would the price of oil go if we attacked iran?

...or is an attack on iran a good thing, seeing as how it will maximize looting opportunities as america dies?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if we shoot enough of each other, as per orders from our fearless leader, the heroic son of liberty, maybe we wont notice where this push to more war is coming from.

is that the theory?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the IRS, not one of those people is doing anything but evil, I don't care how it's justified or framed.

Which is quite true. And it is our duty to resist evil. The way to resist evil is to not comply with it. One never initiates violence.

We all gotta go sometime, best to go out with a good death for the right reasons.

When the government shoots me, as it most likely will, I will have died a good death if the reason for the shooting was that I was not obeying their evil laws. At no point is what you're quoting any indication that I'm stating that we should start shooting people.

The education period is over.

And it is. Everybody knows what is going on now. Everybody.

I notice you don't cite links so people think this was one post. You abandon context in order to commit the act of libel.

You have now been corrected in front of everybody on the internet. Even if your previous libelous posts were accidental (and I do not believe that they were, you are unstable and hoping to smear and libel somebody for not wanting to speak with you), future ones will not be so.

You remind me of somebody on another forum, very much so. I suspect you're stalking me from forum to forum now. Could be wrong, but it has occurred to me.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I looked at this thread before logging in and see that "groundresonance" is continually accusing me of advocating illegal acts of violence that could get me arrested, which I have never, ever once advocated (I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, as I'm sure everybody is probably tired of hearing me say over and over). She is also stalking me from thread to thread I notice.

While I have her on bozo, I wonder at the wisdom of her posting countless posts on threads accusing me of advocating violence for "authorities" to see. Since I normally don't see her posts to deny them, I suspect that this could potentially cause some serious and real life consequences for me for things I've never done.

Thoughts?

the heroic and manly son of liberty cant defend himself so he whines...

poor poor pitiful sol

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He's [groundresonance] obviously unlike anyone with any cognizance or brains here.

I disagree. I think groundresonance is looking for some reasonable answer's that should be answered by SoL. I don't understand why SoL (or anyone else whom may be posed with a question) refuses to answer those hard, hitting questions.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   12:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The education period is over.

Everybody knows what is going on now. Everybody

yup.

everybody knows that israel is terminally desperate, and wants to drag america into another war in the middle east.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

She can ask any question she wants about Israel. She cannot spam posts that accuse me of intentionally advocating shooting people and inciting violent war against the government. I answered her Israel obsession in a couple of posts before I put her on bozo. She didn't like my answer because I did not spew hatred but tried to remain even handed in questions of foreign policy (no entangling alliances with anybody, no foreign aid to anybody, which would necessarily include Israel being shut off from our money and our influence on their behalf).

The reason I don't answer her now, but would anybody else, is that she's clearly mentally unstable and a troll and I've had her on bozo since our first encounter. That she's willing to put a forum at legal risk to obsess about Israel with somebody she knows has her on bozo may caution you to perhaps not be so hasty to offer her up a defense.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

sol refuses to acknowledge that israel is trying to drag america into war with iran.

he has no defense for himself other than asking for protection from the forum administrators.

this is heroic and manly behavior, and will inspire countless numbers of americans to kill each other to provide a distraction from israel's and israeli americans' role in starting these wars.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know if groundresonance is a man or a woman but the questions posed to you were on target over several threads. I remained a lurker waiting for your response(s) .... and you ignored the same.

So, now you have coupled further data confusing me. Above on this thread as you attempted to answer one, here is what you said:

When the government shoots me, as it most likely will, I will have died a good death if the reason for the shooting was that I was not obeying their evil laws.

Aren't you being a little dramatic and presumptuous? You opened Pandora's box with this graphic language which I don't understand as very often you appear to be mature and capable to discuss issues frankly as opposed to being some drama queen.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   12:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

those are sol's words.

are you trying to say that sol is just a blowhard, and has no intention of doing a suicide attack on the IRS?

1. selectively cutting and pasting another poster's remarks out of context demonstrates cheap and cheesey net etiquette on your part and actually undermines your credibility, if you had any to start with

2. if there's any poster here that seems to show signs of instability or a volatile personality, it's you, what with your 24/7 negative posting fixation with zionists and aipac

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   12:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What concerns me about Reagan was his drive to put into hyperdrive the expansion of the military complex mechanism.

Do you remember RR from memory or were you too young and are getting your info from second hand sources?

You see, back during the Great Helmsman's tenure we had this small problem called the CCCP, USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or what RR used to call "The Evil Empire" Remember?

Post Viet Nam, under Carter our military was in shambles. RR changed that and broke the back of the Soviet communists. You sleep at night in a world made pretty safe from nuclear war because of Reagan.

You should be grateful

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-01   12:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   12:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if there's any poster here that seems to show signs of instability or a volatile personality, it's you, what with your 24/7 negative posting fixation with zionists and aipac

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I remained a lurker waiting for your response(s) .... and you ignored the same.

I did no such thing and I answered the questions she posed in a calm level headed manner. What I didn't do was launch into an anti-Semitic rant, which she clearly and amateurishly was attempting to get me to do. Sorry, but it's not going to happen, I don't make it a business to hate entire ethnic groups.

Aren't you being a little dramatic and presumptuous?

Not really, no. Since my chosen path now is non-compliance, assuming that I am unable to anticipate their moves at a given point in time, it may well come down to them shooting me. Or not, maybe they'll get the drop on me and I'll simpyl be thrown into jail (where I will immediately start attempts to escape). The "good death" quote that she provided out of context was in regards to *if* that happened. Given the mad dog nature of government on display right now and the ramping up of their hostility for all of us exponentially each day, it's not an unfair assumption to think they may try the "Fewer but better Russian" solution Stalin was so fond of.

You opened Pandora's box with this graphic language which I don't understand as very often you appear to be mature and capable to discuss issues frankly as opposed to being some drama queen.

If I normally discuss things evenhandedly and dispassionately, but occasionally display passion, that doesn't seem to me to be an indication of "drama queen". Drama queens wring their hands about everything all the time. A passionate person does only when the topic is so dear to the heart that he is moved by it. Something of a difference.

Beware the man without a passion in his soul, buck.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What I didn't do was launch into an anti-Semitic rant, which she clearly and amateurishly was attempting to get me to do.

what's antisemitic about acknowledging israel's and israeli americans' attempts to bulldoze america into another war in the middle east?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Addendum: I can see by the uneven thread count that she's still posting. FYI, you're back on bozo groundresonance. I'll leave it to christine to deal with you, if she so chooses.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   13:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll leave it to christine to deal with you, if she so chooses.

there are over two and a half million returns on a google search of israel US attack iran...

you cant acknowledge that, so you have to hide behind christine's skirts.

what a man!

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Beware the man without a passion in his soul, buck.

Hold on there.

Don't you sense that some of your comments are irresponsible? You can't go shooting anything or anyone because you have some deep seated concept that isn't explained.

On several threads, you have made points about some revolution or method to defend yourself against the government. But, there have been no actual targets or direction for those same ideas.

I can't put words into groundresonance's posts, but all the guy is asking for is what is the target; in his opinion, Israel has created this fantastick government in the first place. I have yet to see an inkling of your ideas.... other than "you are out to get them when they come to get you."

Who are "they" anyway? The US government comprised of about 25M employees?

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   13:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

a. You could have had the decency to ping SonOfLiberty when you allege he refused to do something.

b. I take offense at your twisting my words from post #30. You seem to have a bad habit of abusing/disrespecting other posters' free speech rights. I say what I mean and I mean what I say and I don't appreciate your mis-stating what I said previously.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You can't go shooting anything or anyone because you have some deep seated concept that isn't explained.

That's right, you can't.

Which is why I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, and that's always been the only thing I've advocated.

On several threads, you have made points about some revolution

I've stated that we need to start disobeying their unconstitutional laws and urging others to do so. Nothing more, nothing less.

or method to defend yourself against the government. But, there have been no actual targets or direction for those same ideas.

Sure there have. If you disobey an unconstitutional law, you are necessarily targetting that law and its enforcement mechanism. If I disobey a jaywalking law, who is the "target" or "direction"?

This is basic logic buck.

I can't put words into groundresonance's posts, but all the guy is asking for is what is the target;

You're certainly trying. Instead of putting words into her mouth however, how about noticing that she's falsely claiming I'm advocating things that would get me arrested immediately on violence concerns alone? You seem to be quite selective in your reading.

I have yet to see an inkling of your ideas.... other than "you are out to get them when they come to get you."

You've had it explained to you ad nauseum at this point, especially if you've been lurking, and if you see "you are out to get them when they come for you" then you're not reading closely enough.

In any event, my complaint about her need to commit some pretty dangerous libel is the issue at this point. If you want an Israel obsession thread, you should start a new topic on a new thread.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   13:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't appreciate

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm advocating things that would get me arrested immediately on violence concerns alone?

if you're attemping to stir up trouble to distract from israel's part in this fiasco, maybe, if you got the right connections, you've got a certain amount of immunity.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wouldnt be the first time, would it, that the most radical member of a terrorist group turns out to be an employee of the government...

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

I appreciate the fact that christine has provided a political discussion forum dedicated to free speech rights, that allows all posters, including SonOfLiberty and you and me, the right to post comments to all or none of any thread discussions, to respond to all or none of the posters here.

What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda.

What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle.

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

are you willling to admit that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

are you willing to admit that sol is unwilling to acknowledge that fact?

are you willing to admit that sol, in the face of overwhelming evidence of israel's efforts to expand the wars, must appeal to the site administration for protection, because he cant defend himself?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   13:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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