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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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Published: Apr 1, 2010
Author: RR
Post Date: 2010-04-01 10:32:18 by Itistoolate
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.

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What concerns me about Reagan was his drive to put into hyperdrive the expansion of the military complex mechanism.

Do you remember RR from memory or were you too young and are getting your info from second hand sources?

You see, back during the Great Helmsman's tenure we had this small problem called the CCCP, USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or what RR used to call "The Evil Empire" Remember?

Post Viet Nam, under Carter our military was in shambles. RR changed that and broke the back of the Soviet communists. You sleep at night in a world made pretty safe from nuclear war because of Reagan.

You should be grateful

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-01   12:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   12:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if there's any poster here that seems to show signs of instability or a volatile personality, it's you, what with your 24/7 negative posting fixation with zionists and aipac

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   12:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I remained a lurker waiting for your response(s) .... and you ignored the same.

I did no such thing and I answered the questions she posed in a calm level headed manner. What I didn't do was launch into an anti-Semitic rant, which she clearly and amateurishly was attempting to get me to do. Sorry, but it's not going to happen, I don't make it a business to hate entire ethnic groups.

Aren't you being a little dramatic and presumptuous?

Not really, no. Since my chosen path now is non-compliance, assuming that I am unable to anticipate their moves at a given point in time, it may well come down to them shooting me. Or not, maybe they'll get the drop on me and I'll simpyl be thrown into jail (where I will immediately start attempts to escape). The "good death" quote that she provided out of context was in regards to *if* that happened. Given the mad dog nature of government on display right now and the ramping up of their hostility for all of us exponentially each day, it's not an unfair assumption to think they may try the "Fewer but better Russian" solution Stalin was so fond of.

You opened Pandora's box with this graphic language which I don't understand as very often you appear to be mature and capable to discuss issues frankly as opposed to being some drama queen.

If I normally discuss things evenhandedly and dispassionately, but occasionally display passion, that doesn't seem to me to be an indication of "drama queen". Drama queens wring their hands about everything all the time. A passionate person does only when the topic is so dear to the heart that he is moved by it. Something of a difference.

Beware the man without a passion in his soul, buck.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   12:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What I didn't do was launch into an anti-Semitic rant, which she clearly and amateurishly was attempting to get me to do.

what's antisemitic about acknowledging israel's and israeli americans' attempts to bulldoze america into another war in the middle east?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Addendum: I can see by the uneven thread count that she's still posting. FYI, you're back on bozo groundresonance. I'll leave it to christine to deal with you, if she so chooses.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   13:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll leave it to christine to deal with you, if she so chooses.

there are over two and a half million returns on a google search of israel US attack iran...

you cant acknowledge that, so you have to hide behind christine's skirts.

what a man!

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Beware the man without a passion in his soul, buck.

Hold on there.

Don't you sense that some of your comments are irresponsible? You can't go shooting anything or anyone because you have some deep seated concept that isn't explained.

On several threads, you have made points about some revolution or method to defend yourself against the government. But, there have been no actual targets or direction for those same ideas.

I can't put words into groundresonance's posts, but all the guy is asking for is what is the target; in his opinion, Israel has created this fantastick government in the first place. I have yet to see an inkling of your ideas.... other than "you are out to get them when they come to get you."

Who are "they" anyway? The US government comprised of about 25M employees?

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   13:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

oh.

sol refuses to acknowledge israel's part in getting us into these wars.

that is a sign of my instability.

good enough

a. You could have had the decency to ping SonOfLiberty when you allege he refused to do something.

b. I take offense at your twisting my words from post #30. You seem to have a bad habit of abusing/disrespecting other posters' free speech rights. I say what I mean and I mean what I say and I don't appreciate your mis-stating what I said previously.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You can't go shooting anything or anyone because you have some deep seated concept that isn't explained.

That's right, you can't.

Which is why I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, and that's always been the only thing I've advocated.

On several threads, you have made points about some revolution

I've stated that we need to start disobeying their unconstitutional laws and urging others to do so. Nothing more, nothing less.

or method to defend yourself against the government. But, there have been no actual targets or direction for those same ideas.

Sure there have. If you disobey an unconstitutional law, you are necessarily targetting that law and its enforcement mechanism. If I disobey a jaywalking law, who is the "target" or "direction"?

This is basic logic buck.

I can't put words into groundresonance's posts, but all the guy is asking for is what is the target;

You're certainly trying. Instead of putting words into her mouth however, how about noticing that she's falsely claiming I'm advocating things that would get me arrested immediately on violence concerns alone? You seem to be quite selective in your reading.

I have yet to see an inkling of your ideas.... other than "you are out to get them when they come to get you."

You've had it explained to you ad nauseum at this point, especially if you've been lurking, and if you see "you are out to get them when they come for you" then you're not reading closely enough.

In any event, my complaint about her need to commit some pretty dangerous libel is the issue at this point. If you want an Israel obsession thread, you should start a new topic on a new thread.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   13:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't appreciate

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm advocating things that would get me arrested immediately on violence concerns alone?

if you're attemping to stir up trouble to distract from israel's part in this fiasco, maybe, if you got the right connections, you've got a certain amount of immunity.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wouldnt be the first time, would it, that the most radical member of a terrorist group turns out to be an employee of the government...

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

do you appreciate the fact that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

do you appreciate the fact that sol refuses to acknowledge that fact?

do you appreciate the fact that sol is demonstrating his manliness by hiding behind christine's skirts?

I appreciate the fact that christine has provided a political discussion forum dedicated to free speech rights, that allows all posters, including SonOfLiberty and you and me, the right to post comments to all or none of any thread discussions, to respond to all or none of the posters here.

What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda.

What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle.

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   13:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

are you willling to admit that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

are you willing to admit that sol is unwilling to acknowledge that fact?

are you willing to admit that sol, in the face of overwhelming evidence of israel's efforts to expand the wars, must appeal to the site administration for protection, because he cant defend himself?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   13:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   13:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   13:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

are you willling to admit that israel is trying to drag us into another war?

are you willing to admit that sol is unwilling to acknowledge that fact?

are you willing to admit that sol, in the face of overwhelming evidence of israel's efforts to expand the wars, must appeal to the site administration for protection, because he cant defend himself?

You're such babbling, out-of-control, irrational gnat, that you've almost convinced me to put a sizable check donation in the mail to AIPAC, because whatever political position you stand for, your nuttiness has made me realize that the only sane thing to do is to position myself with the opposing side.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   14:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

babbling, out-of-control, irrational gnat

so...

you cant admit to israel pushing for more wars.

the next most logical thing to do is ad hominem attacks.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   14:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   14:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're such babbling, out-of-control, irrational gnat, that you've almost convinced me to put a sizable check donation in the mail to AIPAC, because whatever political position you stand for, your nuttiness has made me realize that the only sane thing to do is to position myself with the opposing side.

That has to be the most uniquely funny retort I've ever seen handed to a troll on the forum. :) Well done!

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   14:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well done!

yup... very well done.

in fact, it's so well done that we can almost overlook the fact that there 's no there there.

it's just like oakland.

meanwhile, israel wants us to attack iran.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   14:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you cant admit to israel pushing for more wars.

LOL!

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   14:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   14:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because she's been put back on bozo. If you were actually reading my full posts, you'd know that.

And if you were reading her posts with something approaching an objective eye instead of with personal bias, you'd note that she's constantly claiming that I'm advocating violent actions against very dangerous people, which I clearly am not and have never done.

If you're aiming to join her on the bozo list, then that's your call. You should have enough integrity to not commit lies of omission just because you have a pet topic that some loon is screeching about in-between large tracts of her own bellicose libel.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   14:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   14:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is probably a fairly constructive conversation...

we're beginning to choose up sides, i guess...

sol and his manly army of zionists can shoot anyone who wants to educate americans and defend america from israel, and the rest of us can continue our attempts to educate americans about israel's intent to expand the wars.

seems to me that something drastic has to happen pretty soon, or knowledge of israel's role in these wars is gonna get out of control.

i guess that accounts for sol's desperation.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Since my chosen path now is non-compliance, assuming that I am unable to anticipate their moves at a given point in time, it may well come down to them shooting me.

Why do you think anyone is about to shoot you?

Here is what is normal speculation for non-compliance to laws in America, once you are targeted: increased fines and penalties, deprived of property and eventual jail time.

No one is going to shoot you other than some mother-fucker from a street gang that thinks you are a racist or because you have a few bucks to steal because you live in that same neighborhood.

Your rationalization escapes me. I don't understand you.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   14:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.

Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck. Please let me help you acquire clearer insight.

Why don't you cast your eyes on ground's inflammatory accusations/attempts to impune Son Of Liberty's character in the following posts on this thread alone, I might add:

#5

#12

#16

#19

#22

#28

#37

#41

#42

#43

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   14:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Son Of Liberty's character

maybe sol would have a better chance of redeeming his character if he'd own up to the facts.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   14:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck.

OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.

Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   14:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your rationalization escapes me. I don't understand you.

That's because you haven't truly read my posts with an eye towards understanding I suspect. Non compliance doesn't mean just throwing away the forms, and I've went over what my intents are countless times.

I'm not going to belabor this, you're the only one I know of who "doesn't understand" what I'm saying, besides the rather disturbed person you've chosen to tether your boat to on this thread.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   15:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I notice that you have once again chosen to ignore ground's character assassination being pointed out to you, as if it wasn't happening.

This is what happens with obsession. Once you find a comrade in arms, the faults of your chosen ally become invisible, so long as the obsession is addressed.

In any event, I've answered to the extent that I felt was appropriate to the question being asked, at the time it was initially asked. Any more of a request for "more answer!" is nothing but trying to lead me by the nose into making blanket insults against entire ethnic groups. I'm not going to do that buck, it is not in my nature to hate ethnic groups, and you know it. If you don't like it, tough shit. Are we clear now?

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   15:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

rather disturbed

any rational american will be disturbed when they find out why we're in these wars in the middle east.

you, on the other hand, are convinced that you can create your own version of reality by denying israel's influence.

so, you've got to do your best to obscure israel's role in this catastrophe.

you're failing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.

Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal.

Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

The only reason I involved myself in this matter was because of what ground and SLO posted ON THIS THREAD ALONE. What troubled me was how ground tried to impune SLO's character by associating words and images with SLO that SLO did not say on THIS THREAD. In fact, ground subsequently tried to do the same thing to me - twisting my words - after I came to SLO's defense ie. when I cautioned ground about how abusive/disrespectful it is to purposely mis-state what others posters have actually said.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   15:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I came to SLO's defense

and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco.

why is that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I notice that you have once again chosen to ignore ground's character assassination being pointed out to you, as if it wasn't happening.

I enjoy your passion of individual characteristic spirit. Man, I love you to the maximum. But, you go over the deep end, attempting to display the same passion. And when you are questioned with realistic questions about your own concepts and ideas, you don't reply. And when you are questioned, you ignore. I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um.

The scenario about moving the bar towards you being SHOT by some government agent is silly. You have to stop it. Now, is a damned good time.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if israeli newspapers can admit to israel's role in these wars, why cant you?

"In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."

White man’s burden

if a jewish american like jim lobe can admit to israel's role in this mess, why cant you?

"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections.

What do William Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Elliot Abrams, and Robert Kagan have in common? Yes, they are all die-hard hawks who have gained control of U.S. foreign policy since the 9/11 attacks. But they are also part of one big neoconservative family — an extended clan of spouses, children, and friends who have known each other for generations.

Neoconservatives are former liberals (which explains the “neo” prefix) who advocate an aggressive unilateralist vision of U.S. global supremacy, which includes a close strategic alliance with Israel."

All in the Neocon Family

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I looked at this thread before logging in and see that "groundresonance" is continually accusing me of advocating illegal acts of violence that could get me arrested, which I have never, ever once advocated (I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, as I'm sure everybody is probably tired of hearing me say over and over). She is also stalking me from thread to thread I notice.

While I have her on bozo, I wonder at the wisdom of her posting countless posts on threads accusing me of advocating violence for "authorities" to see. Since I normally don't see her posts to deny them, I suspect that this could potentially cause some serious and real life consequences for me for things I've never done.

groundresonance is a good one for the clown filter. It was designed for folks like that. Been on mine a long time and I don't figure I have missed a thing. I wouldn't worry much about him/her accusing me of anything if I were you. Cops come and take one look at that blithering blatherskite and would probably haul him/her off to the dungeon.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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