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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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Published: Apr 1, 2010
Author: RR
Post Date: 2010-04-01 10:32:18 by Itistoolate
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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#56. To: buckeroo (#54)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
this is probably a fairly constructive conversation... we're beginning to choose up sides, i guess... sol and his manly army of zionists can shoot anyone who wants to educate americans and defend america from israel, and the rest of us can continue our attempts to educate americans about israel's intent to expand the wars. seems to me that something drastic has to happen pretty soon, or knowledge of israel's role in these wars is gonna get out of control. i guess that accounts for sol's desperation.
Why do you think anyone is about to shoot you? Here is what is normal speculation for non-compliance to laws in America, once you are targeted: increased fines and penalties, deprived of property and eventual jail time. No one is going to shoot you other than some mother-fucker from a street gang that thinks you are a racist or because you have a few bucks to steal because you live in that same neighborhood. Your rationalization escapes me. I don't understand you.
Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck. Please let me help you acquire clearer insight. Why don't you cast your eyes on ground's inflammatory accusations/attempts to impune Son Of Liberty's character in the following posts on this thread alone, I might add: #5 #12 #16 #19 #22 #28 #37 #41 #42 #43
maybe sol would have a better chance of redeeming his character if he'd own up to the facts.
OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format. Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal.
That's because you haven't truly read my posts with an eye towards understanding I suspect. Non compliance doesn't mean just throwing away the forms, and I've went over what my intents are countless times. I'm not going to belabor this, you're the only one I know of who "doesn't understand" what I'm saying, besides the rather disturbed person you've chosen to tether your boat to on this thread.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I notice that you have once again chosen to ignore ground's character assassination being pointed out to you, as if it wasn't happening. This is what happens with obsession. Once you find a comrade in arms, the faults of your chosen ally become invisible, so long as the obsession is addressed. In any event, I've answered to the extent that I felt was appropriate to the question being asked, at the time it was initially asked. Any more of a request for "more answer!" is nothing but trying to lead me by the nose into making blanket insults against entire ethnic groups. I'm not going to do that buck, it is not in my nature to hate ethnic groups, and you know it. If you don't like it, tough shit. Are we clear now?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
any rational american will be disturbed when they find out why we're in these wars in the middle east. you, on the other hand, are convinced that you can create your own version of reality by denying israel's influence. so, you've got to do your best to obscure israel's role in this catastrophe. you're failing.
Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal. Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions. The only reason I involved myself in this matter was because of what ground and SLO posted ON THIS THREAD ALONE. What troubled me was how ground tried to impune SLO's character by associating words and images with SLO that SLO did not say on THIS THREAD. In fact, ground subsequently tried to do the same thing to me - twisting my words - after I came to SLO's defense ie. when I cautioned ground about how abusive/disrespectful it is to purposely mis-state what others posters have actually said.
and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco. why is that?
I enjoy your passion of individual characteristic spirit. Man, I love you to the maximum. But, you go over the deep end, attempting to display the same passion. And when you are questioned with realistic questions about your own concepts and ideas, you don't reply. And when you are questioned, you ignore. I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um. The scenario about moving the bar towards you being SHOT by some government agent is silly. You have to stop it. Now, is a damned good time.
Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.
if israeli newspapers can admit to israel's role in these wars, why cant you? if a jewish american like jim lobe can admit to israel's role in this mess, why cant you? What do William Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Elliot Abrams, and Robert Kagan have in common? Yes, they are all die-hard hawks who have gained control of U.S. foreign policy since the 9/11 attacks. But they are also part of one big neoconservative family — an extended clan of spouses, children, and friends who have known each other for generations. Neoconservatives are former liberals (which explains the “neo” prefix) who advocate an aggressive unilateralist vision of U.S. global supremacy, which includes a close strategic alliance with Israel."
While I have her on bozo, I wonder at the wisdom of her posting countless posts on threads accusing me of advocating violence for "authorities" to see. Since I normally don't see her posts to deny them, I suspect that this could potentially cause some serious and real life consequences for me for things I've never done. groundresonance is a good one for the clown filter. It was designed for folks like that. Been on mine a long time and I don't figure I have missed a thing. I wouldn't worry much about him/her accusing me of anything if I were you. Cops come and take one look at that blithering blatherskite and would probably haul him/her off to the dungeon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. yup. that'd be the solution to all your problems, wouldnt it? you guys are great at mouthing platitudes, but you're piss-poor when it comes to living up to them
I don't owe groundresonance anything. When somebody posts things that could get me arrested on suspicion alone, I owe her nothing but the middle finger. My take on Israel remains what it always has been. The U.S. should cut all entangling alliances (of which Israel is a major factor and thus should be cut) and cut all foreign aid (to all countries, including Israel). I also don't believe that foreign money should be allowed in American politics, so that would exclude Israel as well as all other nations. It's a full exclusion policy, and it always has been. If that's not enough to satisfy the bellicose one you've aligned yourself with, or you, then you're wanting more than a simple statement of principle, you're wanting slurs against a full ethnic group. Again, ain't gonna happen. This has been said, by me, at least once on this thread and a BAJILLION TIMES on others on this and other forums where you've seen me post. Owe? Please. The reason she's on bozo has been explained to you, now to ad nauseum. It had nothing to do with her question and everything to do with her word twisting on other threads and her character assassination on this one. I owe no apology for that either. Not at all. Or are you stating that there are no civilian shootings for non-compliance in historical totalitarian nations? Silly? Hardly. It's a "what if" scenario, you seem to think I'm drawing an inevitable conclusion. If I say "or not" which I believe I have, it means it's a scenario. Don't presume to dictate my actions please. I'll do as I will at my own leisure, your approval or permission is not required.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You don't even know what you are talking about, Willis. Never a creative idea from yourself permitting some sort of personal dignity.
why is that? Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational, and I have zero interest in being engaged in a discussion with you and subsequently associated with your nutty outlook on the matter. Capiche? P.S. As I recall SOL has already given his reason for ignoring your tedious questions about Israel earlier on this thread, which you have, for unknown reasons, chosen to ignore.
if i'm irrational, so is the israeli newspaper, haaret z... and so is the jewish american writer, jim lobe. so you guys are reduced to namecalling, because you have no other ammo. too bad. you're losing.
What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty. What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda. What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle. Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You don't see a lot of things, buck. Doesn't mean they aren't there (and some of the things you do see when you are riding with John Barleycorn aren't there either).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I never said that, did I? I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance. You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature; I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you. You are are alarming to me. You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America and you don't properly explain your position.
huh! what a miracle. the next thing you know, sol is gonna admit that the israel lobbly controls congress. he might even get around to admitting that zionists control the american media. he might even admit to the fact that israel is running american foreign policy. he might even admit to the likelihood of israel's participation in 9/11. israel must have had a motive to stage 9/11, or bibi, dumb ox that he is, wouldnt have said that 9/11 was a good deal. and what were those mossad guys dancing about as they filmed the WTC on 9/11?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Son Of Liberty doesn't owe you, your comrade groundresonance, or anyone on this forum a d@mned thing as far as I know. SOL is too nice a guy to say it to you I guess but a lot of people would have told you and your comrade both, and a long time before now, to stick it up your @$$.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. can we assume that the source of your dissatisfaction has something to do with israel's control of america?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Never a creative idea from yourself permitting some sort of personal dignity. Sure. Have another drink and call your comrade and cry about how SOL is being mean to you and him/her/whatever it is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Nice guys finish last.
pretty amazing how you guys dont seem to realize that your namecalling is evidence that you're out of ammo.
You're correct, I misread your words and mistook your position, my apologies. But I don't owe the channel anything either. I've already explained my position on "the questions". Jesus and Gandhi would disagree, as would Tolstoy and Rand, as well as other advocates of peaceful non-compliance. Nobody is out to get me now (that I'm aware of). There will be people, rest assured, who will be dispatched once I stop giving them the time of day. Good. We should all be alarmed in this day and age. If we're not alarmed, we're asleep. No. I've a long history of advocating and attending rallies and demonstrations against this takeover by the Obama (and previously Bush) administration. I've donated plenty of scratch to Ron Paul to help keep him getting the message out. I was even quite politically active at one time. Reactive? No, proactive, but the proactive came to naught. A position which I believe only you cling to. Everybody else seems to get it, or at least if they don't, they haven't said anything about it.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
We have a winner! Thank you kindly. I just wouldn't want to see anyone get much upset about what that loon "thinks." It isn't worth losing one minute of sleep over.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. :) Thanks for the contributions on the thread. Strange day eh?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
do you think that readers of this forum are too dumb to figure out how desperate and bankrupt you are?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Sol is clever, similar to yourself. Never answering a direct question upon the forum ... nope, nothing but passion from a high chair whining and never a serious perspective. But you fine folks believe! It is too cool to watch you never create an answer about the state of the nation (or the world) other than you BELIEVE!
You're welcome. Yeah, it has been rather strange. I look for groundresonance to borrow a couple of brain cells (to complement the two it already has) and buck to get on the wagon and stay there. It is April Fool's Day, you know.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. are you alarmed about israel's control of american politics, and israel's push towards expanding the wars?
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. what exactly is it that you're so heroically and manfully resisting?
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#57. To: SonOfLiberty (#55)
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#58. To: SonOfLiberty (#34)
Since my chosen path now is non-compliance, assuming that I am unable to anticipate their moves at a given point in time, it may well come down to them shooting me.
#59. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, SonofLiberty (#54)
I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.
#60. To: scrapper2 (#59)
Son Of Liberty's character
#61. To: scrapper2 (#59)
Oh my, so sorry to hear about your poor vision, buck.
#62. To: buckeroo (#58)
Your rationalization escapes me. I don't understand you.
#63. To: buckeroo, scapper2 (#61)
#64. To: SonOfLiberty (#62)
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rather disturbed
#65. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, SonofLiberty (#61)
OK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.
#66. To: scrapper2 (#65)
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I came to SLO's defense
#67. To: SonOfLiberty (#63)
I notice that you have once again chosen to ignore ground's character assassination being pointed out to you, as if it wasn't happening.
#68. To: scrapper2 (#65)
Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.
#69. To: scrapper2 (#65)
"In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."
"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections.
#70. To: SonOfLiberty (#13)
I looked at this thread before logging in and see that "groundresonance" is continually accusing me of advocating illegal acts of violence that could get me arrested, which I have never, ever once advocated (I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, as I'm sure everybody is probably tired of hearing me say over and over). She is also stalking me from thread to thread I notice.
Lord Acton
#71. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
Cops come and take one look at that blithering blatherskite and would probably haul him/her off to the dungeon.
#72. To: buckeroo (#67)
The scenario about moving the bar towards you being SHOT by some government agent is silly.
You have to stop it. Now, is a damned good time.
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
groundresonance is a good one for the clown filter.
#74. To: groundresonance (#66)
and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco.
#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
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Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational
#76. To: scrapper2, Son Of Liberty (#44)
What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.
Lord Acton
#77. To: buckeroo (#54)
I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.
Lord Acton
#78. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
I don't owe groundresonance anything. When somebody posts things that could get me arrested on suspicion alone, I owe her nothing but the middle finger.
#79. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
The U.S. should cut all entangling alliances (of which Israel is a major factor and thus should be cut)
#80. To: scrapper2 (#59)
#81. To: buckeroo (#67)
I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um.
Lord Acton
#82. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
#83. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty, scapper2 (#70)
#84. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#73)
You don't even know what you are talking about, Willis.
Lord Acton
#85. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
SOL is too nice a guy
#86. To: James Deffenbach (#84)
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call your comrade and cry about how SOL
#87. To: buckeroo (#78)
I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance.
You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature;
I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you.
You are are alarming to me.
You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America
and you don't properly explain your position.
#88. To: Eric Stratton (#83)
Ding ding ding!!!
Lord Acton
#89. To: James Deffenbach (#77)
#90. To: James Deffenbach (#88)
what that loon "thinks"
#91. To: SonOfLiberty, All (#87)
#92. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty (#84)
#93. To: SonOfLiberty (#89)
Lord Acton
#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)
We should all be alarmed in this day and age.
#95. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#92)
Sol is clever, similar to yourself.
Lord Acton
#96. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)
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