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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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Published: Apr 1, 2010
Author: RR
Post Date: 2010-04-01 10:32:18 by Itistoolate
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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#65. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, SonofLiberty (#61)
Give me an hour. I shall be back, pal. Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions. The only reason I involved myself in this matter was because of what ground and SLO posted ON THIS THREAD ALONE. What troubled me was how ground tried to impune SLO's character by associating words and images with SLO that SLO did not say on THIS THREAD. In fact, ground subsequently tried to do the same thing to me - twisting my words - after I came to SLO's defense ie. when I cautioned ground about how abusive/disrespectful it is to purposely mis-state what others posters have actually said.
and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco. why is that?
I enjoy your passion of individual characteristic spirit. Man, I love you to the maximum. But, you go over the deep end, attempting to display the same passion. And when you are questioned with realistic questions about your own concepts and ideas, you don't reply. And when you are questioned, you ignore. I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um. The scenario about moving the bar towards you being SHOT by some government agent is silly. You have to stop it. Now, is a damned good time.
Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.
if israeli newspapers can admit to israel's role in these wars, why cant you? if a jewish american like jim lobe can admit to israel's role in this mess, why cant you? What do William Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Elliot Abrams, and Robert Kagan have in common? Yes, they are all die-hard hawks who have gained control of U.S. foreign policy since the 9/11 attacks. But they are also part of one big neoconservative family — an extended clan of spouses, children, and friends who have known each other for generations. Neoconservatives are former liberals (which explains the “neo” prefix) who advocate an aggressive unilateralist vision of U.S. global supremacy, which includes a close strategic alliance with Israel."
While I have her on bozo, I wonder at the wisdom of her posting countless posts on threads accusing me of advocating violence for "authorities" to see. Since I normally don't see her posts to deny them, I suspect that this could potentially cause some serious and real life consequences for me for things I've never done. groundresonance is a good one for the clown filter. It was designed for folks like that. Been on mine a long time and I don't figure I have missed a thing. I wouldn't worry much about him/her accusing me of anything if I were you. Cops come and take one look at that blithering blatherskite and would probably haul him/her off to the dungeon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. yup. that'd be the solution to all your problems, wouldnt it? you guys are great at mouthing platitudes, but you're piss-poor when it comes to living up to them
I don't owe groundresonance anything. When somebody posts things that could get me arrested on suspicion alone, I owe her nothing but the middle finger. My take on Israel remains what it always has been. The U.S. should cut all entangling alliances (of which Israel is a major factor and thus should be cut) and cut all foreign aid (to all countries, including Israel). I also don't believe that foreign money should be allowed in American politics, so that would exclude Israel as well as all other nations. It's a full exclusion policy, and it always has been. If that's not enough to satisfy the bellicose one you've aligned yourself with, or you, then you're wanting more than a simple statement of principle, you're wanting slurs against a full ethnic group. Again, ain't gonna happen. This has been said, by me, at least once on this thread and a BAJILLION TIMES on others on this and other forums where you've seen me post. Owe? Please. The reason she's on bozo has been explained to you, now to ad nauseum. It had nothing to do with her question and everything to do with her word twisting on other threads and her character assassination on this one. I owe no apology for that either. Not at all. Or are you stating that there are no civilian shootings for non-compliance in historical totalitarian nations? Silly? Hardly. It's a "what if" scenario, you seem to think I'm drawing an inevitable conclusion. If I say "or not" which I believe I have, it means it's a scenario. Don't presume to dictate my actions please. I'll do as I will at my own leisure, your approval or permission is not required.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You don't even know what you are talking about, Willis. Never a creative idea from yourself permitting some sort of personal dignity.
why is that? Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational, and I have zero interest in being engaged in a discussion with you and subsequently associated with your nutty outlook on the matter. Capiche? P.S. As I recall SOL has already given his reason for ignoring your tedious questions about Israel earlier on this thread, which you have, for unknown reasons, chosen to ignore.
if i'm irrational, so is the israeli newspaper, haaret z... and so is the jewish american writer, jim lobe. so you guys are reduced to namecalling, because you have no other ammo. too bad. you're losing.
What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty. What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda. What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle. Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You don't see a lot of things, buck. Doesn't mean they aren't there (and some of the things you do see when you are riding with John Barleycorn aren't there either).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I never said that, did I? I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance. You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature; I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you. You are are alarming to me. You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America and you don't properly explain your position.
huh! what a miracle. the next thing you know, sol is gonna admit that the israel lobbly controls congress. he might even get around to admitting that zionists control the american media. he might even admit to the fact that israel is running american foreign policy. he might even admit to the likelihood of israel's participation in 9/11. israel must have had a motive to stage 9/11, or bibi, dumb ox that he is, wouldnt have said that 9/11 was a good deal. and what were those mossad guys dancing about as they filmed the WTC on 9/11?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Son Of Liberty doesn't owe you, your comrade groundresonance, or anyone on this forum a d@mned thing as far as I know. SOL is too nice a guy to say it to you I guess but a lot of people would have told you and your comrade both, and a long time before now, to stick it up your @$$.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. can we assume that the source of your dissatisfaction has something to do with israel's control of america?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Never a creative idea from yourself permitting some sort of personal dignity. Sure. Have another drink and call your comrade and cry about how SOL is being mean to you and him/her/whatever it is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Nice guys finish last.
pretty amazing how you guys dont seem to realize that your namecalling is evidence that you're out of ammo.
You're correct, I misread your words and mistook your position, my apologies. But I don't owe the channel anything either. I've already explained my position on "the questions". Jesus and Gandhi would disagree, as would Tolstoy and Rand, as well as other advocates of peaceful non-compliance. Nobody is out to get me now (that I'm aware of). There will be people, rest assured, who will be dispatched once I stop giving them the time of day. Good. We should all be alarmed in this day and age. If we're not alarmed, we're asleep. No. I've a long history of advocating and attending rallies and demonstrations against this takeover by the Obama (and previously Bush) administration. I've donated plenty of scratch to Ron Paul to help keep him getting the message out. I was even quite politically active at one time. Reactive? No, proactive, but the proactive came to naught. A position which I believe only you cling to. Everybody else seems to get it, or at least if they don't, they haven't said anything about it.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
We have a winner! Thank you kindly. I just wouldn't want to see anyone get much upset about what that loon "thinks." It isn't worth losing one minute of sleep over.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. :) Thanks for the contributions on the thread. Strange day eh?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
do you think that readers of this forum are too dumb to figure out how desperate and bankrupt you are?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Sol is clever, similar to yourself. Never answering a direct question upon the forum ... nope, nothing but passion from a high chair whining and never a serious perspective. But you fine folks believe! It is too cool to watch you never create an answer about the state of the nation (or the world) other than you BELIEVE!
You're welcome. Yeah, it has been rather strange. I look for groundresonance to borrow a couple of brain cells (to complement the two it already has) and buck to get on the wagon and stay there. It is April Fool's Day, you know.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. are you alarmed about israel's control of american politics, and israel's push towards expanding the wars?
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. what exactly is it that you're so heroically and manfully resisting?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
are you heroically and manfully resisting the provisions of the patriot act, that was written by an israeli america radical who became the head of the DHS?
You blew your brief moment with me. Groundresonance was clear all along. How come you don't honour a few questions?
I am confident that you think you just got an atta-boy.
You two mentally challenged twerps are annoying when you're not comical. I, being one of those who don't have you on bozo, have noticed your antics. You should knock it off.
why cant you guys come up with valid arguments? why are you reduced to namecalling?
buckeroo: Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread. Fyi, buckeroo, whenever I want to make any "publick" admission, I am quite familiar with using a computer keyboard and the post function at 4um. I don't need any help from you regarding what I want to express. Focus, buck, please. As I noted to you earlier, there is ONLY ONE ISSUE under discussion from my point of view. That issue is ground's disrespectful/abuse of SLO's free speech rights on this thread wherein ground impuned SLO's character with inflammatory allegations and malicious mis-statements of what SLO actually stated ON THIS THREAD. Right from the start of this thread, for no reason, ground made several rude, and provocative statements to and about SLO. It was quite bizarre and that's when I involved myself. I have not paid much attention to comments by ground or SLO on other threads and as I told you, I don't have any interest in what might be an attempt on your part to obscure ground's objectionable net behavior here and now ON THIS THREAD alone by posting cut and paste, out of context comments by the 2 of them from other threads. So this is the last time I'm going to tell you this, buck, so pay close attention, please. I do not see any other "issues" as in plural in this thread. The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights. If you see other issues, go for it. Maybe you'll get lucky and you will engage another poster, besides ground, that is. But that other poster won't be me, that's for sure.
sol has posted exactly what he wanted to post. too bad sol and the rest of you zionists have such a flagrant disregard for the truth when it comes to israel's control of american media, foreign policy, and politics. too bad you so flagrantly disregard israel's role in trying to expand the wars.
sol tries to set himself up as some heroic resistance leader, a latterday che... he's real good at complaining, he's real good at flowery speeches... sound and fury, signifying nothing. but when it comes down to the truth of what's gone haywire, sol cant bring himself to face the facts. why is that?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOK.... I am going to round up the remarcks from several threads that SoL has posted with an obvious flair of being a drama queen. In addition, I shall show ground's questions which are similar to mine although I don't ask those questions in same format.
#66. To: scrapper2 (#65)
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I came to SLO's defense
#67. To: SonOfLiberty (#63)
I notice that you have once again chosen to ignore ground's character assassination being pointed out to you, as if it wasn't happening.
#68. To: scrapper2 (#65)
Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.
#69. To: scrapper2 (#65)
"In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."
"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections.
#70. To: SonOfLiberty (#13)
I looked at this thread before logging in and see that "groundresonance" is continually accusing me of advocating illegal acts of violence that could get me arrested, which I have never, ever once advocated (I only advocate peaceful non-compliance, as I'm sure everybody is probably tired of hearing me say over and over). She is also stalking me from thread to thread I notice.
Lord Acton
#71. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
Cops come and take one look at that blithering blatherskite and would probably haul him/her off to the dungeon.
#72. To: buckeroo (#67)
The scenario about moving the bar towards you being SHOT by some government agent is silly.
You have to stop it. Now, is a damned good time.
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
groundresonance is a good one for the clown filter.
#74. To: groundresonance (#66)
and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco.
#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
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Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational
#76. To: scrapper2, Son Of Liberty (#44)
What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.
Lord Acton
#77. To: buckeroo (#54)
I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.
Lord Acton
#78. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
I don't owe groundresonance anything. When somebody posts things that could get me arrested on suspicion alone, I owe her nothing but the middle finger.
#79. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
The U.S. should cut all entangling alliances (of which Israel is a major factor and thus should be cut)
#80. To: scrapper2 (#59)
#81. To: buckeroo (#67)
I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um.
Lord Acton
#82. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
#83. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty, scapper2 (#70)
#84. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#73)
You don't even know what you are talking about, Willis.
Lord Acton
#85. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
SOL is too nice a guy
#86. To: James Deffenbach (#84)
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call your comrade and cry about how SOL
#87. To: buckeroo (#78)
I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance.
You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature;
I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you.
You are are alarming to me.
You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America
and you don't properly explain your position.
#88. To: Eric Stratton (#83)
Ding ding ding!!!
Lord Acton
#89. To: James Deffenbach (#77)
#90. To: James Deffenbach (#88)
what that loon "thinks"
#91. To: SonOfLiberty, All (#87)
#92. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty (#84)
#93. To: SonOfLiberty (#89)
Lord Acton
#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)
We should all be alarmed in this day and age.
#95. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#92)
Sol is clever, similar to yourself.
Lord Acton
#96. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)
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#97. To: buckeroo (#92)
#98. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)
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#99. To: SonOfLiberty, groundresonance (#87)
Everybody else seems to get it, or at least if they don't, they haven't said anything about it.
#100. To: James Deffenbach (#95)
#101. To: groundresonance, buckeroo, SonOfLiberty, christine, all (#99)
groundresonance, buckeroo
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#102. To: wudidiz (#101)
mentally challenged twerps
#103. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, SonOfLiberty (#68)
scrapper: Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.
#104. To: scrapper2 (#103)
The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.
#105. To: scrapper2 (#103)
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