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Title: The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.
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The year is 2012 - Ronald Reagan assesses our circumstances after almost four years with Barack Obama in the oval office.

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#74. To: groundresonance (#66)

and neither of you can admit to israel's role in this fiasco.

why is that?

Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational, and I have zero interest in being engaged in a discussion with you and subsequently associated with your nutty outlook on the matter. Capiche?

P.S. As I recall SOL has already given his reason for ignoring your tedious questions about Israel earlier on this thread, which you have, for unknown reasons, chosen to ignore.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   15:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
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Because I can properly identify rational debate about Israel, and you are irrational

if i'm irrational, so is the israeli newspaper, haaret z...

and so is the jewish american writer, jim lobe.

so you guys are reduced to namecalling, because you have no other ammo.

too bad.

you're losing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: scrapper2, Son Of Liberty (#44)

What I don't appreciate is someone like you haranguing another poster for ignoring you.

What I don't appreciate is your character assassination of Son Of Liberty.

What I don't appreciate is your twisting the words of other posters, including mine, to bolster your hidden agenda.

What I don't appreciate is a poster like you forcing me to contemplate the idea of using the bozo feature of this forum, something I have never used before based on principle.

Is that enough detail for you regarding what I appreciate and what I don't appreciate?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:40:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: buckeroo (#54)

I don't see any "character assassination" ... all I see are ignored questions.

You don't see a lot of things, buck. Doesn't mean they aren't there (and some of the things you do see when you are riding with John Barleycorn aren't there either).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)

I don't owe groundresonance anything. When somebody posts things that could get me arrested on suspicion alone, I owe her nothing but the middle finger.

I never said that, did I?

I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance. You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature; I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you.

You are are alarming to me. You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America and you don't properly explain your position.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)

The U.S. should cut all entangling alliances (of which Israel is a major factor and thus should be cut)

huh!

what a miracle.

the next thing you know, sol is gonna admit that the israel lobbly controls congress.

he might even get around to admitting that zionists control the american media.

he might even admit to the fact that israel is running american foreign policy.

he might even admit to the likelihood of israel's participation in 9/11.

israel must have had a motive to stage 9/11, or bibi, dumb ox that he is, wouldnt have said that 9/11 was a good deal.

and what were those mossad guys dancing about as they filmed the WTC on 9/11?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: scrapper2 (#59)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   15:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: buckeroo (#67)

I think you owe not ground one iota of response but this whole channel at 4um.

Son Of Liberty doesn't owe you, your comrade groundresonance, or anyone on this forum a d@mned thing as far as I know. SOL is too nice a guy to say it to you I guess but a lot of people would have told you and your comrade both, and a long time before now, to stick it up your @$$.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)

can we assume that the source of your dissatisfaction has something to do with israel's control of america?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty, scapper2 (#70)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   15:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#73)

You don't even know what you are talking about, Willis.

Never a creative idea from yourself permitting some sort of personal dignity.

Sure. Have another drink and call your comrade and cry about how SOL is being mean to you and him/her/whatever it is.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: James Deffenbach (#81)

SOL is too nice a guy

Nice guys finish last.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: James Deffenbach (#84) (Edited)

call your comrade and cry about how SOL

pretty amazing how you guys dont seem to realize that your namecalling is evidence that you're out of ammo.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#78)

I said you owe this channel (4um) a response other than ignoring some serious questions by groundresonance.

You're correct, I misread your words and mistook your position, my apologies.

But I don't owe the channel anything either. I've already explained my position on "the questions".

You placed some ideas that are not responsible in nature;

Jesus and Gandhi would disagree, as would Tolstoy and Rand, as well as other advocates of peaceful non-compliance.

I want you to remember that America is (or was) founded upon self reliance without shame or concept about some "boogie-man" out to get you.

Nobody is out to get me now (that I'm aware of). There will be people, rest assured, who will be dispatched once I stop giving them the time of day.

You are are alarming to me.

Good. We should all be alarmed in this day and age. If we're not alarmed, we're asleep.

You are reactionary towards the turn of events in America

No. I've a long history of advocating and attending rallies and demonstrations against this takeover by the Obama (and previously Bush) administration. I've donated plenty of scratch to Ron Paul to help keep him getting the message out. I was even quite politically active at one time. Reactive? No, proactive, but the proactive came to naught.

and you don't properly explain your position.

A position which I believe only you cling to. Everybody else seems to get it, or at least if they don't, they haven't said anything about it.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   15:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Eric Stratton (#83)

Ding ding ding!!!

We have a winner!

Thank you kindly. I just wouldn't want to see anyone get much upset about what that loon "thinks." It isn't worth losing one minute of sleep over.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: James Deffenbach (#77)

:)

Thanks for the contributions on the thread. Strange day eh?

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-01   15:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: James Deffenbach (#88)

what that loon "thinks"

do you think that readers of this forum are too dumb to figure out how desperate and bankrupt you are?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: SonOfLiberty, All (#87)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   15:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: James Deffenbach, SonOfLiberty (#84)

Sol is clever, similar to yourself. Never answering a direct question upon the forum ... nope, nothing but passion from a high chair whining and never a serious perspective.

But you fine folks believe! It is too cool to watch you never create an answer about the state of the nation (or the world) other than you BELIEVE!

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   15:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: SonOfLiberty (#89)

You're welcome. Yeah, it has been rather strange. I look for groundresonance to borrow a couple of brain cells (to complement the two it already has) and buck to get on the wagon and stay there.

It is April Fool's Day, you know.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: SonOfLiberty (#87)

We should all be alarmed in this day and age.

are you alarmed about israel's control of american politics, and israel's push towards expanding the wars?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeroo, Son Of Liberty (#92)

Sol is clever, similar to yourself.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   15:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: SonOfLiberty (#87) (Edited)

what exactly is it that you're so heroically and manfully resisting?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   15:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeroo (#92)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: SonOfLiberty (#87) (Edited)

are you heroically and manfully resisting the provisions of the patriot act, that was written by an israeli america radical who became the head of the DHS?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   16:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: SonOfLiberty, groundresonance (#87)

Everybody else seems to get it, or at least if they don't, they haven't said anything about it.

You blew your brief moment with me. Groundresonance was clear all along. How come you don't honour a few questions?

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   16:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: James Deffenbach (#95)

I am confident that you think you just got an atta-boy.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   16:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: groundresonance, buckeroo, SonOfLiberty, christine, all (#99)

groundresonance, buckeroo

You two mentally challenged twerps are annoying when you're not comical.

I, being one of those who don't have you on bozo, have noticed your antics.

You should knock it off.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-01   16:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: wudidiz (#101)

mentally challenged twerps

why cant you guys come up with valid arguments?

why are you reduced to namecalling?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   16:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: buckeroo, groundresonance, SonOfLiberty (#68)

scrapper: Do what you want with your time, "pal," but just so you know I'm not interested what SOL and ground have said to one another on other threads on other occasions.

buckeroo: Then, as a publick admission: you don't care about the issues being brought forward on this thread.

Fyi, buckeroo, whenever I want to make any "publick" admission, I am quite familiar with using a computer keyboard and the post function at 4um. I don't need any help from you regarding what I want to express.

Focus, buck, please. As I noted to you earlier, there is ONLY ONE ISSUE under discussion from my point of view. That issue is ground's disrespectful/abuse of SLO's free speech rights on this thread wherein ground impuned SLO's character with inflammatory allegations and malicious mis-statements of what SLO actually stated ON THIS THREAD. Right from the start of this thread, for no reason, ground made several rude, and provocative statements to and about SLO. It was quite bizarre and that's when I involved myself. I have not paid much attention to comments by ground or SLO on other threads and as I told you, I don't have any interest in what might be an attempt on your part to obscure ground's objectionable net behavior here and now ON THIS THREAD alone by posting cut and paste, out of context comments by the 2 of them from other threads.

So this is the last time I'm going to tell you this, buck, so pay close attention, please. I do not see any other "issues" as in plural in this thread. The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.

If you see other issues, go for it. Maybe you'll get lucky and you will engage another poster, besides ground, that is. But that other poster won't be me, that's for sure.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: scrapper2 (#103)

The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.

sol has posted exactly what he wanted to post.

too bad sol and the rest of you zionists have such a flagrant disregard for the truth when it comes to israel's control of american media, foreign policy, and politics.

too bad you so flagrantly disregard israel's role in trying to expand the wars.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   16:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: scrapper2 (#103)

sol tries to set himself up as some heroic resistance leader, a latterday che...

he's real good at complaining, he's real good at flowery speeches... sound and fury, signifying nothing.

but when it comes down to the truth of what's gone haywire, sol cant bring himself to face the facts.

why is that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-01   16:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: scrapper2 (#103)

The only single issue that prompted my involvement in THIS THREAD is ground's flagrant disregard for SLO's free speech rights.

Wrong.

None were in admission. You created further problems believing in further tooth-faeries.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-01   16:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: wudidiz (#101)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Eric Stratton, buckeroo (#97)

Which question did you want answered bucky?

Let's put an end to this namby-pamby horseshit, shall we, it's cluttering up the comments grid!

Which post?

Given the time of day, he probably doesn't even know. Of course that could be true any time of the day.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   16:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: groundresonance, christine, Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, All (#104)

too bad sol and the rest of you zionists have such a flagrant disregard for the truth when it comes to israel's control of american media, foreign policy, and politics.

So now you're calling me a Zionist? This latest allegation just takes my breath away.

Oh my, now tears are running down my cheeks as I try to type.

I don't know what more I can add other than wow, just wow, you're a serious out-of-control, irrational, nutty babbling gnat of a poster.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: James Deffenbach (#108)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: buckeroo (#100)

I am confident that you think you just got an atta-boy.

You seem to be confident about a great many things, including that bs about global warming. Most people have already figured that one out though, it was just a scam to make a few efs like Al Gore rich. It may even dawn on you someday.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-01   16:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: scrapper2 (#109)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Eric Stratton (#112)

ROFLMAO!!

This thread is simply far too hilarious!

Yes, it's turned into quite a spectacular train wreck and though I know I should avert my eyes and drive on by, I can't resist stopping for a closer view, so to speak.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-01   16:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: scrapper2 (#113)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-01   16:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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