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Title: THE RESTORE AMERICA PLAN SERVES ALL 50 STATE GOVENERS. THEY MUST CONFORM OR BE REMOVED BY FRIDAY
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Published: Apr 2, 2010
Author: TRAP
Post Date: 2010-04-02 10:25:45 by MING THE MERCILESS
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Views: 657
Comments: 67

The Restore America Plan The Restore America Plan is a bold achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war. After consultation with high ranking members of the United States armed forces, the Plan is in the process of assembling the Guardians of the Free Republics and reinhabiting the De jure Grand Juries to:

•Restore and reinhabit the de jure institutions of lawful government. •Terminate illicit corporations posing as legitimate governments, in particular the territorial jurisdiction United States Federal Corporation (corp. ref. 28 U.S.C. 3002) posing as the de jure United States of America. •Terminate all presumed powers of attorney to such corporations. •End the foreclosure nightmare (for borrowing against one’s own credit). •End tax prosecutions for resisting the transfer of private wealth to foreign banking cartels such as I.R.S. (former Puerto Rico Bureau of Taxation). •End street assaults against the sovereign People for failing to exhibit a State-issued confession of subject-class citizenship. •End all prosecutions which lack an injured party. •End admiralty prosecutions for kidnapping and other heinous crimes against mankind as “commercial crimes” against the corporate State under a contrived corporate color-of-law venue (corp. ref. 27 C.F.R. 72.11). •Terminate the intrusion of corporations posing as the state into every aspect of the People’s lives. •End the use of covert contracts such as Form 1040, car registrations, birth certificate applications, and bank signature cards which confess the signer to be a legal fiction subject of the United States Federal Corporation (“U.S. person”) that has waved his/her rights in favor of state-issued privileges. •End the use of deeds which classify the People as “tenants” on their own land, thereby transferring control to incorporated County registrars and tax assessors. •End the perversion of marriage into a commercial system of state-issued privileges through the so-called “marriage license” whereby incorporated “courts” presume the “right” to trespass on families and kidnap children. •End the hijacking of automobile ownership through DMV registrations which covertly exchange the divine rights of travel and ownership for the state-issued “privileges” of “driving” and “title.” •In place of all of the above, substitute sovereign identification, diplomatic immunity and sovereign passports to facilitate safe passage throughout the world free from corporate State molestation and terror. •Restore the People’s money and wealth from the banking institutions, war profiteers, and international loan sharks. •Instantly vest all mortgages, auto loans and personal business loans “issued” by members of the Fed. The state shall hold no paper on, or debts against, the sovereign People, directly or through its agencies and licensed banking institutions. •Instantly end all non-consensual and unlawful taxation including all taxes on the sacred rights of labor and privacy. •Empower and inspire the sovereign People to righteousness through such renewed abundance. •Issue orders to the military and police powers to enforce the Peoples’ divine rights of birth. •Reabsorb all de facto actors into lawful de jure capacity. •End the perverse act of requiring the People to pray to “courts” as is now required under corporate rules and traditions. •Restore the de jure judicial institutions including the district court of the United States and the one supreme Court. •Quietly mirror the strategies of 1933 thereby using their (our) institutions, military and public officials to undo eighty years of subterfuge without provoking alarm, controversy or armed conflict. •Return the military and law enforcement institutions to proper and lawful de jure sovereign authority from the clutches of corporate actors. •Forgive all corporate actors who repent for their State-sponsored crimes against mankind. Remove the recidivists from office. •Do all of the above, and more, peacefully, discreetly, quietly and honorably, behind the scenes, without public proclamations or provocative actions against a general public that is mostly unaware of the hijacking of their free de jure American republics, and their hapless media. [link to http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com]

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#27. To: christine (#6)

For those of you who are interested, we have CDs of these methods, taken from a case Margy prevailed, twice, against the fourth largest holding company in America, and we also have DVDs of some of our seminars. Donations in any amount are always welcome and greatly appreciated.

Like I said these people seam sincere however the cat is out of the bag so this letter is irrelevent now. And who are these people? It has been stated by TRAP that these types would be trying to gain financially.

MING THE MERCILESS  posted on  2010-04-02   13:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SonOfLiberty (#18)

I heard part of the "plan" on Statdmiller's RBN ... but didn't pay much attention to what was being said once I knew who was talking (Sam Kennedy).

I agree that this is about raising a speck of microbial sand to boulder size for the purpose of hiring some more pigs, invading some homes, beating up some old ladies and tazering some kids !

April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-02   13:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#26)

The Governors and HOMO-LAND CONspiracy will ramp this meaningless bullshit up and add it to their Pandora's Box of false flag / provacateur operations in furtherance of the police state that I can feel closing in on the innocent people of a once great nation.

That could be it.

I really, really, really, hate to think ill of Tim Turner and his people....I know people that have been helped by his process....but that "Elders" thing smacks too much of the Elders of Sion and also the Elders that LDS site spoke of [ www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=116496 #21]. I really don't know what to think at the moment.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   13:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#2)

Shades of the brilliance that was Rick Stanley.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-02   13:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: MING THE MERCILESS (#0)

Our Plan

To Restore America

*

Call All voter eligible Evangelical Christians in America to REGISTER TO VOTE and to VOTE in the 2010 elections and every election thereafter *

Call All Bible Believing Pastors and Christian Leaders in America to call their congregations and organizations to 100% VOTER REGISTRATION and TURNOUT *

Call All Christians to VOTE for those who acknowledge our Christian Heritage and respect God's authority over all mankind, including civil government

To Govern Ourselves 'Within' and 'Without'

Edmund Burke, the famous British Statesman said in 1791...

"Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free."

Our forefathers understood, as did Burke, that we are to control (govern) ourselves from 'within', through the Spirit of God, and in civil government ('without') through our VOTES.

Whereas our Founders understood this truth and honored God in civil government, we have become a nation "under the rule of men" who no longer seek God or honor His timeless truth. Instead of honoring God's laws, they ignore, pervert, or remove them altogether, thus arrogantly removing the protective hand of divine Providence.

Whether we will govern ourselves individually...and collectively through civil government...according to the laws of God, is the great question of our time. Through the wisdom and sacrifice of our Founders, who fought for and earned our right of self determination, we are responsible for, and in control of our future through our VOTES!

"The future of this republic is in the hands of the American voter."

Dwight D. Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States

"...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace...self control;"

Galations 5:22-23

Excuse me for not being overly enthused. The majority of Evangelical America spent eight years cheerleading Bush and the Republican Party. If they vote in mass as this group wants, it will be for the Republican Party and nothing will change. For the most part, evangelicals are pro-war and pro-Israel and offer nothing but more death, empire building and Republican big government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-04-02   14:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#31)

It would appear that there is more than one Restore America Plan. The one above is different from the one in the article. My mistake and my apologies.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-04-02   14:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#31)

Excuse me for not being overly enthused. The majority of Evangelical America spent eight years cheerleading Bush and the Republican Party. If they vote in mass as this group wants, it will be for the Republican Party and nothing will change.

Did you expect something different? They already took over the so-called tea party movement. What's to stop them from taking over this movement? Or initiating it themselves?


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-02   14:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PSUSA, ALL, Just got word from Ralph Winterrowd that all 1300 who signed the document are gettin visits from the FBI today (#33)

BTTT

christine  posted on  2010-04-02   14:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#34)

Why?

Help me out here. In theory, whether effectual or not, whether silly or not, whatever, this is not a threatening position as I understand it, and they keep saying on the radio and in articles, that there were no threats issued.

I suspect that they (the ptb) think that us folks in flyover country really are ignorant idiots.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-02   14:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SonOfLiberty (#35)

well, you know how MSM spins things...we have to consider also that this was a setup....perhaps part of the effor to shut down alternative media and the internet. from Ralph:

FYI Ralph.... Just now, 1:00 PM 03-31-10 two pleasant FBI > agents came to visit and had a copy of the grand jury list that I and > the other 26 had signed.

> > They gave no appearance of trying to create trouble and only asked > basic questions as to what was the intent for serving the governors > being served. They made no attempt to fish for info, it was all > straight forward. >

> In response to their questions I explained that as I understood it, > the governors were given 3 days/72 hours to sign an oath to support > the American people or to step down. If they would not sign that the > next in line assumes the office. I explained that no violance would be > used unless it was the military assisting them stepping down and there > would be no militia involved.

> > I genuinely thanked them for coming by and they stated they were on > the same page with me and I believe they meant it.

> > Likely anyone who signed on the grand jury will also get a visit, be > polite and welcome the FBI and thank them.

> > Of course I told them the truth that there is no intent for violence > and the process is a peaceful one. I assured them that it had nothing > to do with the militias.

> > If you get visited, be polite, stay on point with your answers. > > I am encourage that they have responded so quickly. >

christine  posted on  2010-04-02   15:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#34)

Ralph Winterrowd

Is he reliable in your estimation?

I never heard of him.

.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-02   15:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#31)

Excuse me for not being overly enthused. The majority of Evangelical America spent eight years cheerleading Bush and the Republican Party. If they vote in mass as this group wants, it will be for the Republican Party and nothing will change. For the most part, evangelicals are pro-war and pro-Israel and offer nothing but more death, empire building and Republican big government.

Great comment. You're right, the people (especially the evangelical) have been played like a fiddle.

April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-02   15:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine, all (#36)

My concern is this: (And I assume he is telling the truth here)

1) The FBI is not your friend. They were looking for him to supply his own rope for the hanging. They are not on the "same page".

(a) Until the FBI bastards arrest lon horiuchi for at least one count of murder 1, and arrest the other JBTs that falsified and destroyed evidence, they can lick my hairy white elbow.

2) They are not going to come off as hardcases when they are looking for that rope. Someone needs to tell him the Five Magic Words: I have nothing to say.

3) THey knew word was going to get around that they are talking to people, which is another reason they didn't act like typical pigs. If they can get info by being "nice", they will.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-02   15:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#36)

well. should we take this as good news, then, that The Restore America Plan is not in the hands of the government or at least not in the hands of THIS government? There's that running blog on the Wanta funds [Chris Story at worldreport.org ??] and the supposed war between the Queen and Bush, Clinton et al. Would be nice if our enemies [US and UK governments] are turning on each other in a great big family feud.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   15:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40)

any significance to the Dogpile graphic of the day?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   15:45:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: christine (#14)

In our considered opinion, no governor will abide by any such orders, let alone give them any real credibility, except to consider the possibility of incarceration of those grand jurors for … you pick the “crimes” and charges. These hypocritical, thugs-and-thieves-in-suits invent them as they go along, and add to their already enormous load of crap, with more crap! Sam, this is the real world, and for the past fifty-odd years, we have lived in the obnoxious reality of this world. When the governors fail to abide by the grand juries’ orders, will your military people be on hand to enforce those orders? Do you have military people in all fifty states and in D.C. whom you can trust to actively and immediately support the grand juries and enforce their orders? If not, what makes you think that the governors or the bureaucrats you named, or anyone else, will accede to these orders? Even if you did have military in fifty states who would try to enforce the orders, what do you think would happen? Have you considered the consequences? Again, Sam, this is the real world and in the real world, what happens is controlled and orchestrated by evil and pretty much always has been.

The Bible relates how the devil tempted Jesus after he (Jesus) had been out in the wilderness fasting for 40 days. One of the prizes he offered him, if he would but fall down and worship him was "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." (Matthew 4:8)

Jesus told the devil, "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matthew 4:10)

It is clear that Jesus acknowledged Satan as the ruler of the "kingdoms of the world." He said that his kingdom was not of this world. (John 18:36)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-02   15:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: christine (#13)

Sam Kennedy's real last name is Berkowicz.

Berkowicz is either a functioning 'tard or a plant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-02   15:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: James Deffenbach (#42)

Again, Sam, this is the real world and in the real world, what happens is controlled and orchestrated by evil and pretty much always has been.

The Bible relates how the devil tempted Jesus after he (Jesus) had been out in the wilderness fasting for 40 days. One of the prizes he offered him, if he would but fall down and worship him was "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." (Matthew 4:8)

Jesus told the devil, "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matthew 4:10)

It is clear that Jesus acknowledged Satan as the ruler of the "kingdoms of the world." He said that his kingdom was not of this world. (John 18:36)

IMHO, that one goes along with the rapture and dispensationalism to keep Christians in Zionist bondage. Meanwhile, the Zionists go about their business building the Jewish kingdom on earth whilst they have the Christian sheeple distracted with their Jewish fables.

world: g2889 kosmos

http:// www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=KJV

The Kingdom is Not of This World
Why was Jesus' kingdom not a part of that world? Because the Kingdom of God is and was not a part of the constitutional order of Rome,
which by that time in ... www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/world.HTM

Christ set up a New World Order at the cross.

2 Corinthians 5:17 If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away.... Behold, all things have become new. .... Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I will create a new heavens and a new earth: And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

bible.cc/2_corinthians/5-17.htm

btw, "heaven and earth" to the Jews was the temple. The new temple is the church.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. n serpents and scorpions ... bible.cc/luke/10-19.htm

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. bible.cc/1_john/4-4.htm

Satan is a tool in the hand of God.

Isaiah 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

bible.cc/isaiah/10-15.htm

Isaiah 10:5 Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger And the staff in whose hands is My indignation,

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   16:40:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-02   16:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Eric Stratton (#45)

um....I think you have that backwards.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   17:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#46)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-02   17:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, ES, 4 (#46)

Wherever it is, it will be His, and not Satan's place.

Even so, come quickly.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-02   18:40:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Lod (#48)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-02   18:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Eric Stratton (#47)

I just remembered an article I first read a long time ago. It didn't make any sense to me at the time. After I read Galatians 3:16-29, things started to fall into place pretty quickly. Passage after passage started tumbling out of the Bible with new meaning. I realized that the kingdom of God/kingdom of heaven was not only in the world but that America was the New Jerusalem [Matthew 13/Luke 13....Jesus plants the good seed in the field....and the field is the world]. The Greek word "kosmos" is used in both places. The first meaning is "constitution, order of things", but a secondary meaning is earth.

Matthew 13 and Luke 13 are parables. Why? Because God had a plan, and he was going to blind some folks who would not accept Him, until that plan was accomplished. They would interpret that word, and others, incorrectly, to accomplish God's plan for salvation of the whole world.

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

bible.cc/luke/8-10.htm

Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

We see God speaking in parables even in the Old Testament: bible.cc/ezekiel/20-49.htm

My computer is dragging, and I'm ready to shoot it, not to mention I have to run to the store, but here's the article I read a long time ago, which I didn't understand at the time, but instantly made sense after I clearly understood Galatians 3:16-29. I have one major caveat. The author tends to see Israel as the [WHITE] tribes of Israel. Israel [the church] is like Joseph's coat of many colors: Rev. 5:9-10/Isaiah 49:6 [? or is it 49:16?].

The Old Jerusalem Is Not the New Jerusalem at usa-the-republic.com http://....computer is too full to print the URL.

See also "your land will be married"

Isaiah 62:4 No longer will they call you Deserted, or name your ... The LORD is delighted with you, and your land will be married. King James Bible Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be ... bible.cc/isaiah/62-4.htm and "New Jerusalem DRESSED AS A BRIDE FOR HER HUSBAND" [Rev. 21?] My Bible is downstairs, computer is too slow, and I have to go NOW.]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-02   18:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#50)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-02   18:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: MING THE MERCILESS (#0)

Well, it's Friday. Or is it Next Friday that all this is supposed to happen?

I'm of the mind that this is just one of those e-mails that got circulated to gin up the crazies. The military isn't behind anything, other than making sure that they're being taken care of by the government who pays their way.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-04-02   22:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#44)

IMHO, that one goes along with the rapture and dispensationalism to keep Christians in Zionist bondage.

How does it create any kind of bondage for anyone to believe in the Bible and what it clearly teaches? Does a man (or woman) become an indentured servant or slave for believing in God and his promises to them? For sure, everyone serves somebody--as the song says, "It may be the devil or it may be the Lord but you're going to serve somebody." I try, as best I know how, to serve the Lord. But I don't think that makes me a slave of any kind.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-02   22:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: MING THE MERCILESS (#0)

Tuesday, April 6, 2010

Restore America Plan - Update 4/6/10 Inside Information

Inside Information Update 4/6/10 – Restore America Plan

The following comes from several ‘real’ intelligence resources, my research and insider sources.

1. There is no shortage of funds for future recovery. Trusts have been established for every administration and these trust funds are available for proper disbursement.

There are vast sums in very high trillions available for Social Security which will not be affected.

2. The military has already informed obama that he is no longer Commander-in-Chief.
3. The closed door emergency meeting of the Federal Reserve on Monday 4/5/10 did discuss the financial default and how to respond to the people’s declaration. They are in panic.
4. There is a “Gag Order” on the governors and other officials who are served. If they say anything, they lose there option to sign on or resign. In short, they will be removed by the military.
5. We are simply sovereigns. Beware of any article using “sovereign citizens”. This is propaganda by the PTB.
6. FBI at high levels were informed about the plan before delivery.
7. Fulford is aware of activities and a participant on worldwide recovery on an international level.
8. There is an international participation in the program(s) which will become more evident in the next few weeks.
9. Bonding will not be available for corporate entities. They will have to operate in the de jour government under the constitution.
10. Corporate government and entities cannot access the C.A.F.R. funds without the bonds.
11. All Bonds have been “arrested” by the republic and cannot be used by the corporate government and entities. The arrest of the bonds-from the U.S. Corporation down to the smallest country will cause a stoppage in all activities. They cannot conduct business as they are not ‘bondable’.
12. Corporate Courts cannot conduct any business without bonds.

Remember – If it looks like Nesara, acts like Nesara and functions like Nesara but spelled differently ---- IT IS THE RESTORE PLAN

Thank you all

Thank YOU LORD

GOD BLESS THE WORLD
GOD BLESS THE GALAXIES
GOD BLESS AMERICA AGAIN!
Posted by John MacHaffie at 10:27 AM
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nesaranews.blogspot.com/

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-06   15:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#54) (Edited)

Sorry, Nesara was bullshit 8 years ago and it's bullshit today !

If there were some form of miracle bailout it would come complete with a "chip" perfectly fitted to all the knuckle heads that volunteer !

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-06   15:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: noone222 (#55)

Yeah, I was leery of Nesara too. I don't like seeing them connected with the sovereign movement.

However, the more I read about Turner's process, and come to understand more about the bonding issue, and all the rest of it, the more inclined I am to reserve judgment. I can see better today than I could just a couple of days ago, how this could come about. I posted a link the other day to Commercial Liens, A Most Potent Weapon. I had read it years ago, but it didn't really start to sink in until a day or two ago. Anyway, I'm watching it as close as I can, and hoping for the best, although it seems too good to be true. On the other hand, I think it's about time for the promises God made to us [and I have harped on for years] to come true.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-06   15:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Eric Stratton (#51)

I realized that the kingdom of God/kingdom of heaven was not only in the world but that America was the New Jerusalem

I really wish you hadn't written that. LOL

Happy to discuss further if you want.

Yes I would.

I'm holding this thread out [that's the way I do it], and will keep checking back. Maybe it would help if you would state your objections.

I've got errands to do and may spend the night away from my computer, but would like to continue this conversation.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-06   15:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: James Deffenbach (#53)

IMHO, that one goes along with the rapture and dispensationalism to keep Christians in Zionist bondage.

=========

How does it create any kind of bondage for anyone to believe in the Bible and what it clearly teaches?

James, with all due respect, I don't think that is what the Bible teaches.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-06   16:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#58)

James, with all due respect, I don't think that is what the Bible teaches.

I grant you that you will not find the word rapture in the Bible. But I believe that it teaches it.

1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,..

The term, Rapture, comes from a Latin word, rapio, that means to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out. It is, in turn, a translation of the Greek word, harpazo.

So, rapture is a Biblical word that comes right out of the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. The word is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. In the New American Standard Version, the English phrase, "caught up," is used. The same phrase is used in the King James and New International Versions.

And finally, 1Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,... I don't know about you but in reading the book of Revelations about the Great Tribulation I can see a whole bunch of wrath that I don't think God would have his children go through. Not saying people won't be saved during that time because the Bible teaches that many will. Still, I think it would be better to get your affairs in order and your heart right with God before that. If it is right then you won't be here. But I don't argue about any of that. I simply state what I believe and the basis for it. I don't demand that others believe it too because it is a personal choice with every individual.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-06   17:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#56)

I can see better today than I could just a couple of days ago, how this could come about. I posted a link the other day to Commercial Liens,

I have personal experience with these and I sent you an IM regarding them.

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-06   18:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: James Deffenbach (#59) (Edited)

I don't know about you but in reading the book of Revelations about the Great Tribulation I can see a whole bunch of wrath that I don't think God would have his children go through.

I don't want to get into the rapture argument but your statement fails logic James.

God sent his ONLY begotten son to hang on a tree after being whipped and scourged. The 1st Century Christians were fed to lions, slaughtered by gladiators, and suffered countless persecutions ... JUST LIKE JESUS SAID THEY WOULD.

I think there are questions that cause strife that will not be answered until "those days" ... but with respect to your response I'd say there exists ample evidence that disputes your response as it relates to whether or not God will let His children suffer ... and so far he always has allowed it.

(Tried by fire like 'fine" gold and silver).

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-06   18:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: noone222 (#61)

I didn't mean to imply, and I don't think I said, that God's children wouldn't suffer. Of course they do. Becoming a child of God and joint heir with Christ does not mean you won't suffer in this life. But when God pours his wrath out on the world during the Great Tribulation, that is what I was talking about. But as I said before, I don't argue about it. If you believe differently, and I suspect you must, that is your right.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-06   18:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: James Deffenbach (#62)

If you believe differently, and I suspect you must, that is your right.

I believe there are mysteries that may go unsolved until the end of time. Personally, I can only admit that I don't know.

Ultimately there is "a" truth. The rapture concept is usually argued over relative to the timing of its occurrence. That argument seems unnecessary to me.

Christians generally believe in Christ's return at the end of time or the end of the age, to me that in and of itself is a "rapture."

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-06   19:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: noone222 (#63)

Ultimately there is "a" truth. The rapture concept is usually argued over relative to the timing of its occurrence. That argument seems unnecessary to me.

Yes, there is indeed "a" truth. And yes, there are (at least) four different theories about the rapture. There are those of course who don't believe it at all. But the other groups, those who do believe it will happen, have a difference in opinion over the timing; (1)pre-Tribulation; (2)mid-Tribulation; (3)post-Tribulation. That is something else I don't argue about. I have my opinion about it but ultimately it is in God's hands and that's good enough for me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-06   20:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#57)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-06   21:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: James Deffenbach (#64)

I have my opinion about it but ultimately it is in God's hands and that's good enough for me.

If God is waiting for mankind to lay Him off indefinitely before demonstrating his authority, it shouldn't be long now.

Man has taken over (in his limited imagination) almost all of God's duties. Man determines when life begins and ends, alters it, prevents it, and experiments with it continually, leaving God nearly unemployed.

It looks to me that God lets mankind go pretty far astray before the smackdown.

In conclusion I think you and I share the same humble approach to God's Universe and authority.

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-07   4:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: noone222 (#66)

It looks to me that God lets mankind go pretty far astray before the smackdown.

Yes, I think he has demonstrated that time and time again. His patience and mercy are bountiful but one of these days he will say enough is enough.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-07   8:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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