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Title: WebBot predictions on CoastToCoastAM
Source: C2C
URL Source: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Published: Apr 3, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-04-03 06:27:50 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 486
Comments: 33

George Ure & Clif High presented predictions about the economy, and U.S. and world events for the summer of 2010 and beyond. Their predictions are based on High's Web Bot technology which gives archetype descriptors of future events by tracking language pattern changes within (300,000)Internet discussions forums. Here are some of the highlights of what they see coming:

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No warfare between Israel and Iran, at least not until November.

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Six very large earthquakes are yet to come during the rest of 2010.

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A major tipping point will occur between November 8th – 11th, 2010, followed by a 2-3 month release period. This tipping point appears to be US-centric, and then spreads around the planet, from a US spark, or international...might be a false flag; could be a dramatic world-changing event like 9-11 that will have rippling after-effects.

Ure: There's a chance it (Israel-Iran attack) could occur as part of July 8th...

Clif: It's a very low order of probability.

Ure: But if that's the case, November turns into a global nuclear end of the game.

Clif: The powers that be would certainly engineer towards that, certainly.

The collapse of the dollar might occur in November.

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From July 8th, 2010 onward, civil unrest will take place, possibly driven by food prices skyrocketing, and the devaluation of the dollar.

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A second depression, triggered by mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and the popping of the "derivatives bubble," will see people moving out of cities.

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After March 2011, the revolution wave will settle down into a period of reformation.

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A "data gap" has been found between early 2012 running through May 2013. One explanation is that "our civilization gets knocked back to a pre-electronic state," such as brought about by devastating solar activity.

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A new benign form of capitalism will emerge during 2017-2020.

Website(s): # http://urbansurvival.com # http://halfpasthuman.com

Tatarewicz: Also was a brief mention that there already may be a a Type I civilization (interplanetary) among certain elite on earth.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

i heard them. they are kind of hi-tec hyperactive 'insiders' warning/predicting based on all kinds of fancy AlGore rythems.

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-04-03   7:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

one thing i've noticed about these open ended non specific predictions is that they, as far as i have ever seen, a prediction of anything other that doom.

it would not be possible to scour the net for clues as to the future from dialog and not find hints at positive outcome probabilities if the sampling is actually representative of the whole.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-03   9:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   9:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   9:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz, Anyone? (#0)

Anybody know how accurate this has been?


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   10:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#5)

From Wiki:

Web Bot, or the Web Bot Project, refers to an Internet bot software program that is claimed to be able to predict future events by tracking keywords entered on the Internet. It was created in 1997, originally to predict stock market trends.[1] The creator of the Web Bot Project, Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, who call themselves "The Time Monks"[2], keep the technology and algorithms largely secret and sell the predictions via the website halfpasthuman.com.

High and Ure say that the Web Bot works by using a form of the Wisdom of Crowds, with spiders that search the internet for about 300,000 keywords with emotional context[3] and record the preceding and following words to create a "snapshot." Through this, the technology is claimed to be able to examine the collective unconscious of the world as a whole. It is thus said to be able to predict catastrophic events 60 to 90 days in advance.

Predictions [edit] Claimed hits The Web Bot is claimed to have predicted several events prior to them occurring, most notably the September 11 attacks and the 2003 Northeastern United States blackout.[4] However, many believe the predictions are vague and, at best, pseudoscientific.[5]

September 11 attacks - In June 2001 Web Bot predicted that a catastrophic event would occur within the next 60–90 days.[6]
American Airlines Flight 587[7]
Space Shuttle Columbia disaster[8]
Northeast Blackout of 2003 - [8][9]
2004 Indian Ocean earthquake[6][9]
Hurricane Katrina and its devastation[10][9]
Dick Cheney hunting incident[8]
[edit] Misses

A massive earthquake in Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest was predicted to occur on 12 December 2008.[11]
A "global coastal event" in mid-2009, which Ure and High said that they recommended people to stay away from coastal areas.[11]
A complete collapse of the US dollar beginning in 2009.[12]
October 25, 2009 - A catastrophe starts on October 25, 2009. It could have been that the H1N1 flu virus reaches a level of extreme lethality, the US dollar completely collapses, or Israel bombs Iran. In reaction to this crisis, administration of U.S. President Barack Obama would have been thrown into major chaos ten days later.[2][13]
[edit] Future predictions

Major catastrophe in 2012 - The Web Bot has gained most of its notoriety for contributing to the 2012 phenomenon by predicting that a cataclysm will devastate the planet in the year 2012, possibly a reversing of Earth's magnetic poles or a small series of nuclear attacks leading up to a major attack during the year. The prediction does not necessarily call for a complete end of the world. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot

christine  posted on  2010-04-03   11:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

in terms of what sells, its always been doom.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-03   11:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#6)

Major catastrophe in 2012 - The Web Bot has gained most of its notoriety for contributing to the 2012 phenomenon by predicting that a cataclysm will devastate the planet in the year 2012,

That makes sense. Not too many boards say that 2012 is just like any other year. They go the other direction and think there is something to this Mayan calendar scenario.

OK, I picked one, entirely at random, from the Wiki references section. www.urbansurvival.com/bothit5.htm

DIRECT HIT 

 Power Blackout Fulfills Web Bot Predictions:  If you're still a skeptic of our web bot project, here's the verbatim from our July 2, 2003 "Urgent Web Bot Update" which has been posted since then at >www.urbansurvival.com/newbots.htm"> http://www.urbansurvival.com/newbots.htm: I have filled in comments in blue relative to the blackout in the Northeast  to show you the closeness of fit:

The [Wahabi] entity is seen as preparing an attack on a site with aspects of (South) [Niagara power flows where?] with specific references to a place where the (wood) in the (earth) {grows} {upward [perfect fit with the Falls] }. Near by will be an (energy) {plant} [bingo!]

filled with {tremendous} (effort/work) [Yup!]. The target chosen for the entity has associations with a (vertical wall/ascent) [more Falls refs] near which is a (low land) or (low lying area) [ the water flows this way] from which there rises (power) [no doubt about it] and (influence/confluence) [like the confluence of the disparate pieces of the river at the Falls?] . This latter may suggest a site where a power plant sits at the base of a cliff or naturally occurring wall [ You're kidding, can we be any more precise than this?} that has the power lines rising to it. Further, there is a form of a (departure) {to the south} close by which suggests some form of transportation hub [the river was a transportation artery historically] with a main focus to the south which lies close to the chosen target [which we assume to be NYC] . Other details suggest that near to the chosen target, is a place where (heaps) of {small things} (rise upward) to some height.  The number of both aspects and attributes which related to wood, and woods, and copse, suggest that there is some form of natural woodland setting near to the target. [Yes, it's a generally woody area!] This woodland is near an area where (rivers) {congregate}[Direct hit!] and the (earth) {waters} (flow together) which suggests an estuarine environment [Clear enough?]. There are also references indicating a (waste) {flow} or disposal is nearby [Turbine waste gates?] . This (waste) aspect has the attributes of {dismal} and {abysmal} as well as attributes indicating a {great} (stink/smell) [At about 10PM EDT  CBC News reported cities were dumping untreated sewage into rivers in the affected area due to the power outage!].


From the article: "You're kidding, can we be any more precise than this?"

Yes, you could.

I'm not impressed. JMO. If Niagara Falls had been mentioned, or words used that would remove all doubt that the Falls were predicted, and not going back with 20-20 hindsight and attaching the Falls to what they predicted by using somewhat dubious stretches of the imagination (IMO), then it might be a different story.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   11:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Let the record show that I have already predicted that this was the critical year and that things will continue ROUGH through 2012 and we will not be really on the mend until 2015. 2011 will be a "watershed" year. And this is based simply on extrapolating current trends and awareness of what is actually going on. The Banksters are going to lose, but damn its a close call.

Gold is going to, fairly quickly, over the next few months hit 1400 and then stall inching upward to a top of around 1600, and then start a long slow decline.

By 2040 the Fed will no longer be in control, and the Banksters will have effectively been "run out of Dodge".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-04-03   11:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: gengis gandhi (#7)

in terms of what sells, its always been doom.

Unfortunately it has too often been right.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-04-03   11:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   12:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   12:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton (#12)

2040?

Sheeeet! By then I won't care.

Sorry. Effectively it will be by 2035 but not formalized till then. I want to see if I can hang on to see it. I have the genetic ancestry to do it - my Paternal Grandfather didn't even retire until he was 85 - the same year he quit smoking. If it hadn't been for a Kidney infection, not related to age, he would have broken 100 but fell about 10 days short. However, he was alert all the way to the end - hearing needed a little help though. "Eh, what's that you say? What's that about mice in the radiator?"

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-04-03   12:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   12:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

I think there's even less to that than there was to Y2K.

Same here.

It will be considered by me to be a miracle if we even last to 1/1/12, much less 12/23/12.

But, 5 years ago I thought we were on the verge too. I thought the same thing when Klinton was selected.

I don't have a good track record when it comes to predicting when the shtf. Maybe I'm just impatient.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#15)

Lod  posted on  2010-04-03   13:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA (#15)

want to think for a minute about the function of shows like art bell's, noory's, rense's, alex jones', rivero's and the rest of the UFO, chemtrail, crop circle, abiotic oil, lizardly-alien-infiltration-of-the-gene-pool propaganda operations?

how does our being conditioned to accept horseshit like that condition us to accept cock-and-bull stories like the official 9/11 conspiracy theory?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-03   13:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: groundresonance (#17) (Edited)

The only show you list that I ever listened to complete programs of is C2C. It was a crapshoot on whether the topic would really be "out there" or not. Sometimes it was so bad I had to turn it off. Other times it was pretty good. The rest I don't know about. Just listening to a AJ clip takes supreme effort on my part. No way could I bear listening to an entire program.

Digging deeper takes effort, and people are lazy as a rule. So IMO they are more than happy to disregard these topics as being equal with reptilians and chemtrails and accept what the herd believes. I don't think it conditions "us", but the majority. Somehow we broke out of that conditioning. I haven't figured out how.

Just because we broke out of that conditioning doesn't mean that we have it all right. Finding the truth is not ever easy. Some have fallen for the alternative medias propaganda while fighting the MSM propaganda.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   14:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#16)

To me, joining the resistance does not equal joining the "tea" party. I have a hard time personally justifying joining anything that has a hierarchical structure. Once they get to the leaders, and you know they will (and it looks like the neocons already have) then it's over. JMO.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   15:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#18) (Edited)

doesn't mean that we have it all right

Some have fallen for the alternative medias propaganda while fighting the MSM propaganda.

you got to look for motive, means, opportunity, character and prior convictions... and compile a suspect list... and then you have to have access to the evidence before it's shipped off to japan to become fenders on toyotas.

you dont have to be right, in fact, you dont even make a call until you've compiled the suspect list and completed the investigation, you dont have to do anything but figure out who, according to the suspects' own lights, would benefit from committing the crime, then investigate.

.

anyhow, if you're gonna find criticism of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11, you'll find it on the loony fringes, but meanwhile, the loony fringes are so loaded down with other crap that they discredit themselves... deliberately?

for instance, you tell somebody...

"there's lots of things that dont add up about 9/11."

and the somebody asks, "oh...? like what?" ...and you tell them.

and they say, "hmm... where'd you hear that?"

and you say "art bell."

and that's the end of that, and you've just destroyed any chance you ever had to get that person to listen to you... you are guilty of lunacy by association with art bell, or noory, or jones or any of the rest of them, because their shtick includes so much outright horsepucky.

so, first, the loons destroy your mind with nitwitted stories, then your credibility is destroyed when you use them as a reference... at least when you use them as a reference in conversations with normal people who dont stay up all night listening to lunatics.

nobody has been allowed to put the whole 9-11/israel/israeli control of america/peak oil/GWOT operation together in any logical sequence because these people in the media, all of them, are the front line of defense when it comes to fucking up people's heads.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-03   15:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#18)

Digging deeper takes effort, and people are lazy as a rule. So IMO they are more than happy to disregard these topics as being equal with reptilians and chemtrails and accept what the herd believes. I don't think it conditions "us", but the majority. Somehow we broke out of that conditioning. I haven't figured out how.

Just because we broke out of that conditioning doesn't mean that we have it all right. Finding the truth is not ever easy. Some have fallen for the alternative medias propaganda while fighting the MSM propaganda.

DAMNED good post, PSUSA. We have to temper the "publick facts" based upon personal ideas, education, experience and a plethora of concepts.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-03   15:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: groundresonance, buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

. at least when you use them as a reference in conversations with normal people who dont stay up all night listening to lunatics.

Hey! I was normal! ;)

I just preferred to drive at night. Listening to lunatics kept me alert and entertained.

Same basic idea, though. You just stated it differently, and maybe better, than I did. There's a lot of controlled opposition out there.

@buckeroo

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   16:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: PSUSA (#22) (Edited)

Hey! I was normal! ;)

sure

me too

anyhow, i used to think art bell was the evilest motherfucker on the planet, until i figured out he's working for people who are even eviler.

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#24. To: groundresonance (#23)

Same here. I didn't like him either. I just couldn't figure out why. He just rubbed me the wrong way, constantly. It was as if he was just playing a game with people, stringing them along, feigning interest.

Noorey is a much better host IMO. For better or worse, he lets people say their piece.

If Punnet(sp?) is still a host, he improved over time too. I still remember the "Is Jesus buried in Japan" fiasco that he hosted. That was years ago.

I dont know who Bell worked for. Some say the masons, others say other things. Does that still reflect on the show? .


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-03   18:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PSUSA (#24)

Does that still reflect on the show?

havent listened hardly at all to any of those guys, or any radio at all, since a couple days after 9/11.

i have never owned a tv, although i lived in an apartment during the runup to the iraq war that had a tv furnished.

i used to go over to a friends place, hardcore doper this guy was, and a gang of us would watch tv news, stoned.

that was pretty educational.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-03   18:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA (#24)

just for the record, i think the last time i smoked any dope must have been in the 90s.

it's probably out of my system by now.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-03   18:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: PSUSA (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-03   18:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

I think there's even less to that than there was to Y2K.

Me too.


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-03   21:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: groundresonance (#20)

Art Bell, George Noory and possibly Jones are good sources of information on matters they're "allowed" to talk about. Bell as a technical (electronics) person is good in that field and with guests like astrophysicist Kaku. But don't expect any of these to give you the goods on Organized Jewry's False Flags like 9/11 because OJ doesn't want any bad publicity for Israel and its media networks are run by OJ associates. Part-time C2C host Barbara Simpson made the mistake of allowing a caller to describe the high-fiving Israelis who were filming the Twin Towers destruction and dancing with glee. Simpson has not hosted a show since.

You can only get circumstantial evidence from Net posters who have put two and two together like:

Now, what is the truth of 'who did 911?' The truth is it was a combination of criminal forces, the main ones being our own government, in partnership with global Zionist money/political interests.

When a mega-event of destruction like this occurs, the question that must be asked is simple 'Qui bono?' or 'Who benefits?' The Serbian journalist Dejan Lucic writes that 'If you can't understand the politics, then follow the money, and the political situation will come into focus'.

We were fed the lie that 'Arab terrorists' committed this crime. But how did Arabs or Muslims benefit in any way? They didn't. The result of this act was the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, resulting in, in Iraq, the destruction of the most prosperous and advanced secular Arab society in the Middle Easy, and in Afghanistan, simply more fragmentation of an already fragmented tribal culture, with the spread of chaos into neighboring Pakistan. Not to mention the hundreds of thousand of innocent Arabs and Muslims killed by the murderous attacks of American & Zionist forces on their countries.

No benefit to Arabs or Muslims. So 'Qui bono?'

The US government, under the control of a group of hardcore Zionist 'neo-cons' had been plotting a strategy for 'A Clean Break in the Middle East' for about 5-10 years prior to the event. But, in their own words 'the only thing that would persuade Americans to go along with such a radical plan (creating a 'Greater Israel' that would have regional hegemony and the permanent establishment of US bases in the region to act as 'policemen') would be a 'new Pearl Harbor'. Well, we got one. Here the politics is clear.

As far as money, this is more complex, because the money aspect of the 'event' goes back a decade, involving the looting of the American treasury, and the funneling of money to Zionist operations. On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that over $2 TRILLION as missing from the US DOD budget accounting. He gave no explanation of where this money went. This was the day before the event. Sounds like a major story. But we know what happened the next day, so this 'big' story almost unnoticed. Now, who controlled the purse strings at the DOD for many years?. Who wrote the checks?

Dual Israeli/American citizen Rabbi Dov Zakheim. Dov Zakheim was never asked to give testimony about this money.

Read the rest at: KULTURE/AMERIKA: 911

Excerpt is from www.demongov.com/ 9/11 inside job site

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-04-04   3:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tatarewicz (#29)

Dual Israeli/American citizen Rabbi Dov Zakheim. Dov Zakheim was never asked to give testimony about this money.

Prime-Time Player (Dov Zakheim) Rabbi, ex-CEO System Planning (Company Builds Remote Control Devices for Aircraft, also has subsidiary company - Tri-Data that did WTC I Clean-up) should be hanging by his scrawny jewish neck !

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

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#31. To: noone222, Tatarewicz (#30)

$TRILLION ZIONI$T TRAITOR

"He ought to be indicted on fraud at mininum for the corrupt mis-management of the Pentagons $450 billion budget... Instead he is permitted to resign, on April 15th (Federal Reserve/Rothschild Day) with complete immunity!! It's time to write your congressman.

DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY TO INVESTIGATE AND INDICT HIM FOR
GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF THE PENTAGON'S BUDGET!!
HE HAS "COOKED THE BOOKS" MORE THAN ENRON'S KEN LAY...
In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine accounts he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" -- published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"! Voila! 9/11!"SOURCE

Former Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller and Chief Financial Officer Dov Zakheim, resigned from his top Pentagon position recently without any [fanfare] by the "zionist" US press and media. Even in the Pentagon's profile of Zakheim, no mention is made of the fact that ZAKHEIM IS AN ORDAINED JEWISH PRIEST AND CITIZEN OF ISRAEL!. One of the highest positions in the US government...is staffed by an man with "dual citizenship". Add to this governmental absurdity and Zionist media complicity the fact that Zakheim has not accounted for a one trillion dollar "DISCREPANCY" in the Pentagon's books!... How can one trillion dollars disappear without a trace? Where's the FBI.., the IRS.., the GAO, the Government Accountability Office that found the "errors"? Where's the US Congress.., the press, the media? Of course, the latter entity is the key! The reason Americans don't know what's up is that our AMERICAN PRESS IS NOT AMERICAN AT ALL. It is loyal to the Bush administration, and Bush is loyal to Israel. No further evidence of the Zionist infestation of our media and government is required. There's more --


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-04   5:41:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#30)

More recently, this from Maidhc O Chathail:

WHO'S AFRAID OF 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES?

April 3, 2010 by Gordon Duff · 7 Comments Share

Who’s Afraid of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories?

By Maidhc O’Cathail for Veterans Today

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

—Queen Gertrude, Hamlet.

Whenever someone insists too strongly about something not being true, we tend to suspect that maybe it is. In their denials of involvement in 9/11, do Israel’s apologists “protest too much”?

While it would take a small book to adequately document the Israeli connection to 9/11—as Antiwar.com editor Justin Raimondo has attempted in The Terror Enigma—let us briefly recall some of the more intriguing facts as reported in the mainstream media, involving dancing Israelis, Odigo warnings, and Zim’s timely move.

The story of the five Israelis who were seen celebrating and filming as the Twin Towers burned and collapsed was investigated by Neil Mackay in Scotland’s Sunday Herald. The so-called “dancing Israelis” worked for Urban Moving Systems, later deemed to be a Mossad front by the FBI. Despite failing numerous polygraph tests, the young men were deported to Israel two months later. Back home, several of the men appeared on a TV chat show, in which one of them amazingly said, “Our purpose was to document the event.”

Two employees of Odigo, an Israeli instant messaging service, received messages two hours before the World Trade Center attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, Ha’aretz reported.

Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., part-owned by the Israeli government, moved their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia one week before the 9/11 attacks, incurring a $50,000 fine for breaking its lease, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Despite being in the public domain, none of these relevant facts are mentioned in the 9/11 Commission’s 567-page report.

Moreover, Philip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, is concerned about the spread of such inconvenient facts to the wider public. “Our worry,” he says, “is when things become infectious…. [then] this stuff can be deeply corrosive to public understanding. You can get where the bacteria can sicken the larger body.”

But was Zelikow speaking here as an American government official or as a pro-Israeli insider?

In the same month that he authored the so-called “Bush Doctrine” of preemptive war, which provided the justification for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Zelikow made this candid admission: “Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I’ll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990—it’s the threat against Israel.”

Yet, instead of investigating the Israeli connection, Zelikow used the 9/11 Commission to sell the Israeli-inspired Iraq war to the American people.

Zelikow’s “bacteria” quote is cited in a 2008 paper entitled “Conspiracy Theories.” Co-authored by Cass Sunstein, who currently heads President Obama’s White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, the main focus of the paper “involves conspiracy theories relating to terrorism, especially theories that arise from and post-date the 9/11 attacks.”

Rather than attempting to debunk such theories, Sunstein and Vermeule claim that those who suspect Israeli involvement in 9/11 suffer from a “crippled epistemology.” This, the authors argue, is due to “a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources.” In other words, “they know very few things, and what they know is wrong.”

To counter these suspicions, Sunstein recommends “cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents, or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of those who subscribe to such theories. They do so by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.”

It could, of course, be argued that Sunstein’s work also suffers from a crippled epistemology—his research relies heavily on pro-Israeli sources, most notably the notorious Islamophobe Daniel Pipes.

Pipes is a bit of an expert on conspiracy theories, having written two books on the subject. “Conspiracism provides a key to understanding the political culture of the Middle East,” Pipes opines in The Hidden Hand: Middle East Fears of Conspiracy. “It helps explain much of what would otherwise seem illogical or implausible, including the region’s record of political extremism and volatility, its culture of violence, and its poor record of modernization.”

Like Sunstein, Pipes is concerned that many in the region suspect Israeli involvement in 9/11. “The implications in the Middle East are quite profound,” Pipes told the LA-based Jewish Journal. “It’s one more brick in the edifice of fear and loathing of Israel and the Jews.”

In the absence of a proper 9/11 investigation, there remains a broad range of opinion about the precise nature of Israeli complicity. In The Terror Enigma, Justin Raimondo tentatively concludes that the Israeli connection to 9/11 amounts to “foreknowledge and passive collaboration with Bin Laden’s jihad.” Other experts, such as Alan Sabrosky, are less circumspect. Dr. Sabrosky, former director of studies of the Strategic Studies Institute at the US Army War College, has recently stated that “it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”

Either way, it’s hardly surprising that some of the most obsessive critics of 9/11 “conspiracy theories” have ties to Israel. If Americans ever find out that their “staunchest ally” had anything to do with the mass murder of their fellow citizens on September 11, 2001, the would-be conspiracy debunkers have good reason to be afraid.

Maidhc Ó Cathail is a widely published writer based in Japan.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-04-04   6:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tatarewicz (#32)

If Americans ever find out that their “staunchest ally” had anything to do with the mass murder of their fellow citizens on September 11, 2001, the would-be conspiracy debunkers have good reason to be afraid.

You can take it to the bank !

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-04   9:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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