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Title: Are you in the US military?
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Published: Apr 6, 2010
Author: anon
Post Date: 2010-04-06 06:25:26 by bluegrass
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#27. To: bluegrass (#0)

Our military protects us from the threat of armed invasion every minute of every day just by their existence and preparedness. What else do you want them to do to "earn their keep"? Clinton's Zio-Warfare Queen -- Sec. of State, Madeline Albright -- thought they weren't "worth it" unless they could be made to go to war abroad more often for Imperialists like her. Are any of the belligerents who want them to stand down, or don't even want them to come back, ready to do their job here at home for them with the same level of readiness? I doubt it. So much more cathartic and less like work to simply spit venom in all their directions, while doing little more themselves to rescue America from the clutches of tyranny other than bellyaching about the dreadful state this country has fallen into.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-07   3:34:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GreyLmist (#27)

Our military protects us from the threat of armed invasion every minute of every day just by their existence and preparedness.

No they don't. Armed Mexicans have been pouring across the border and they aren't all coming for jobs. Many come to steal, rape, and kill. The US military is the last thing on their minds. They know they are a paper tiger as most the world does now.

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-07   4:57:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: RickyJ (#29) (Edited)

The keywords were "armed invasion"- by countries like China and Russia that would likely move in as fast as they could with their militaries if we had no military to deter them. Even some of our supposed allies would maybe join them for a portion of the plunder. The military doesn't have the luxury of analyzing politics like we do. Taking it upon themselves to decide to act unilaterally here isn't their job. In fact, it would be called a military coup if they did so and even you might agree that could possibly make some bad situations worse here, depending on whatever mood they were in at the moment. Civilians are responsible for policing the "government". Like it or not, "regime change" and holding UnConstitutional rogues to account is our job and not theirs unless they are called to defend us from being attacked in that process.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-07   6:12:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GreyLmist, All (#31)

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread38713/pg1

Pentagon is the Department of War, not Defense

Today, the U.S. is responsible for 40% of all worldwide weapons? sales. Tanks, fighter jets, artillery, helicopters, missiles, landmines, machine guns, mortars, bullets, grenades, guns, you name it, Guns?R?U.S. has it. Our nation supplies the world in instruments of death. The United States? Military Industrial Complex makes a killing from death, suffering and destruction. It exists only if people die. Its signature is everywhere; in the millions of landmines buried worldwide and the millions of amputee victims, many of them children. It can be seen in civil wars that ravage the developing world, from Africa to Asia to Latin America. From sea to shining sea, our weapons we can see, from the exponentially growing threat of WMDs ? many of which were distributed at one time by our own government ? to the military hardware of tyrants and dictators, war criminals and warlords.

The MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?S front for assuring continual human violence is the US government, the Pentagon in particular. President Bush has just granted the Pentagon a military budget of $400 billion dollars for the next fiscal year. That?s $400,000,000,000.00. With so much of our money going to the Department of War one has to wonder where our priorities are; Certainly not in education, healthcare or in the creation of jobs.

The Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex are one and the same; having morphed over time to form the most lethal killing institution the world has ever seen. Through a sliding and revolving door that turns citizen soldiers into armament industry executives and company officers into military policy makers, the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX has embedded itself into the military branch of the US government, thereby assuring itself of unlimited contracts, access, information and profit. Military industry executives and lobbyists have also slithered deep into top administration positions, occupying vitally important posts that decide national and foreign policy. Ex top government officials now sit on boards of today?s biggest suppliers of military might. One need only look to the Carlyle Group to find the marriage between government and MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. George Bush the First had until recently sat on the board of this powerful yet clandestine group. This intertwined dancing tango of cronyism is exactly what Eisenhower warned about. Like a virus MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX has spread itself throughout the hallways of the Pentagon, penetrating from top to bottom through the disease called greed. Now one and the same, the Pentagon and MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX have a common interest, motive and ability to shape how funds are used and wars are waged.

The Pentagon is the Department of War, not Defense. It is in business to kill, kill, and kill some more. Without war, violence and weapons there is no Pentagon. And so to survive, to remain a player, wars must be created, weapons must be allocated, profits must be made and the Military Industrial Complex must continue exporting and manufacturing violence and conflict throughout the globe. And, as always, enemies must exist, if we have no enemies we must create them.

The so-called "War on Terror" is but a charade, a fear-engendering escapade, designed to last into perpetuity, helping guarantee that the Military Industrial Complex will grow exponentially in power. It is a replacement for a Cold War long ago since retired and unable to deliver a massive increase in defense spending.

So you see it?s not oil, terrorism or communism that we are fighting for. Call it anything you want, the bottom line is Military Industrial Complex need's WAR.

christine  posted on  2010-04-07   10:47:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: christine (#34)

Hey, don't disparage the Department of War.

The Department of War initiated not one war, and served only as a defensive organization. It won every war it was tasked to conduct, and did not pussyfoot around with politicians.

The Department of Defense, however, has initiated several conflicts that had nothing to do with defense, and has not technically won any but one of them (Grenada), and is famous for being a fully political driven machine.

The Department of War does not exist any longer. The Department of Defense, however, still does, and is still doing the bad things that it has done since its inception.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-07 10:51:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#34)

The Carlyle Group's founder is a Jew. Eisenhower may have been a Jew, too. Just FYI for readers. The disastrous Normandy landing is a major example of why I don't think all that highly of him. While his comments about the Military Industrial Complex sound good, what did he ever do to reign it in? Nothing much that I know of -- except not giving England, France, and Israel a green flag on taking over the Suez Canal, where they would likely have been in the market for even more weaponry -- and there are some examples that point to his complicity in the expansion of the Military Industrial Complex. Let's not forget, either, that he is the President who put us in Viet Nam. I'm not against a worldwide ban on all weapons exporting but what should we do in the present without that? Others are also busily arming the world. Do we want to be in the business of offering protection to all coutries without the means to build or purchase their won weapons of self-defense? I don't.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-07 22:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: christine (#34)

Pentagon is the Department of War, not Defense

ROGER THAT.

tom007  posted on  2010-04-07 22:51:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: christine (#34)

?s $400,000,000,000.00. With so much of our money going to the Department of War one has to wonder where our priorities are; Certainly not in education, healthcare or in the creation of jobs.

But no $$$ for public health care.

(I know there are many realistic problems, with this)

tom007  posted on  2010-04-07 22:53:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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