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Title: Good Advice Against a Con Con
Source: townhall.com
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Phyl ... /good_advice_against_a_con_con
Published: Apr 6, 2010
Author: Phyllis Schlafly
Post Date: 2010-04-06 09:56:03 by Eric Stratton
Keywords: None
Views: 167
Comments: 12

Good Advice Against a Con Con
Phyllis Schlafly
Tuesday, April 06, 2010

Suggestions that the United States call a new constitutional convention, as allowed in the Constitution's Article V, have popped up in some state legislatures and even on a page in The Wall Street Journal. No longer do these voices claim a convention can be limited to consideration of a single amendment (e.g., a balanced budget amendment) -- grandstanding politicians are proposing a wide assortment of many amendments to produce big changes.

Speaking to us from across the years, the father of the U.S. Constitution, James Madison, wrote this warning on Nov. 2, 1788, against calling another general constitutional convention.

"If a General Convention were to take place for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution, it would naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress appointed to administer and support as well as to amend the system; it would consequently give greater agitation to the public mind; an election into it would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it would probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric.

"Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second, meeting in the present temper of America, and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned."

Madison's prophetic warnings against a general convention to amend our Constitution (now colloquially called a Con Con) are even more compelling today. Let's examine them.

1) A new convention would "naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress" to amend the Constitution. Indeed, that's exactly what the Con Con advocates want: a convention to do what Congress won't do.

2) A Con Con would "give greater agitation to the public mind." Indeed, a Con Con would attract dozens of groups agitating for various changes, creating a bigger media event than even a presidential election and dominated by mainstream media and theatrical demonstrators.

3) The election of Con Con delegates "would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides." Although Nancy Pelosi would probably be in charge of the numbers and apportionment of Con Con delegates, their election would surely attract "violent partisans on both sides" of many issues.

4) The Con Con would "probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters ... heated men of all parties." Think a repeat performance of the way the Obama crowd turned out voters in 2008 through his "Organizing for America." Think ACORN, illegal voters and vote frauds.

5) The Con Con "would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts ... might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations" of our Constitution. A Con Con would, indeed, be a big attraction for individuals of "insidious" and "dangerous" views that could eat away at the foundations of liberty and a sovereign independent republic.

These would include pressure groups seeking an elimination of the Second Amendment, global governance through treaty law, deletion of the provision that requires a two-thirds majority of senators to ratify treaties (the favorite change urged by the Council on Foreign Relations), the addition of new constitutional rights (such as same-sex marriage and health care), elimination of the Electoral College, and other "insidious" and "dangerous" changes.

6) We could not presume that "the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony." "Harmony"? You must be dreaming! Indeed, it would be a wild and raucous political event of world-class magnitude.

Have you ever attended a hotly contested Republican or Democratic national nominating convention? Think the Democrats in Chicago in 1968 or Republicans in San Francisco in 1964 or Chicago in 1952. Now imagine the Obama demonstrators and the John McCain demonstrators trying to agree on language to adopt.

7) Madison trembled for the result of another convention in the "temper of America" in his time. We should, indeed, tremble for the result "in the present temper of America." Think Obama's proclaimed goal of "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."

8) Madison reminded us that the first Constitutional Convention "assembled under every propitious circumstance." Those propitious circumstances included having George Washington as convention chairman. Somehow, we don't see any George Washington or James Madison today, and we don't want to put our fate in the hands of men who think they can improve on the work of George Washington and James Madison.

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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

NUFF SAID!!!

"The all Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing". Herger the Joyous

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-04-06   10:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0) (Edited)

Tha's interesting. I have been researching that a bit myself the last couple of days. I was trying to find a connection between NESARA and the Con Con. I thought something had been posted at http://sweetliberty.org , but I haven't found anything yet. I seem to remember NESARA was going to suspend the consitution for six months, and God only knows what then. The reason I am curious is because the updates on the sovereign citizen movement to reseat the 50 governors are carried on the NESARA site. The sovereign citizen movement says they are trying to reseat the De Jure original constitutional government, and I think at least one of these guys is a good guy, but I've learned to be a cynic, even with people I'd love to trust.

"Monday, April 5, 2010

Nesara vs Recover America Plan

Have you noticed that this blog is called Nesara whereas all we are talking about is the Recover America Plan.

Why is that and what is going on.

NESARA was established by good 'thinking' Americans to restore our constitution, finances and country.

What happened. It ran into the Bush Cabal intelligence agencies which made Nesara a laughing joke on the net.

Nesara as it is known will probably not be announced.

And per Casper (who is a Cheney Agent according to Fulford) deliveries messages. Well - I see it when it happens. He is a great story teller and looking forward to the movie! Too many illogical scenarios and his cast of mysterious bad guys --- Yea he is a good screenwriter.

BUT ALONG COMES THIS UNKNOWN RECOVERY PLAN ---- BRILLIANT!

Same as Nesara but without the resistance. In short this is a NESARA END RUN to achieve the same ends. The government, military and media are spooked. Especially when Sam Kennedy, Tim Turner and Storming Norman are involved.

But more important --- Your LOVING LORD is involved.

Proof -- what are the chances of a team like this to be involved on one side. Awesome!

That is the way I see it.

GOD Bless You And GOD BLESS AMERICA AGAIN

John MacHaffie
Posted by John MacHaffie at 7:20 PM
10 comments:

....Anonymous said...

OK, so is this "Restore America Plan", complete with the serving of all the state governors with whatever they allegedly were served with, complete and total B.S. or is it on the up and up? Reading this blog, it's impossible to tell who is telling the truth and who is lying through their teeth.

April 5, 2010 7:42 PM

Anonymous said...

Figuring our who's lying is definitely hard to do these days. ......

I wonder what would happen if one would simply call our Governor's office staff in a few days and tell them to pass on our congratulations to him on his taking of the oath to the sovereign people of the republic. Wonder what the response would be? If any Governors are signing, they can't keep it a secret for too long, can they?
April 5, 2010 7:50 PM
Anonymous said...

the governors are under a gag order!

April 5, 2010 8:38 PM John MacHaffie said...

I just informed that some fantastic wonderful & positive news is forthcoming tomorrow from a insider on the Recovery Plan. .........."

more comments: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2...eciever-america-plan.html

more updates as they appear, on the left toward the bottom:

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oops, either I typed that wrong, or they took that page down. let me try it again.

i see...they spelled "receiver" wrong. fixed.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-04-06   10:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

That's exactly why there SHOULD be one.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-06   11:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-06   11:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

Not only should there be one, it should be shown live on PPV.

Problem is that our Constitution is valid, it simply isn't adhered to.

Symptom. Multicultural societies are always tyrannies.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-06   11:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

Problem is that our Constitution is valid, it simply isn't adhered to.

The bad guys would love for something this ludicrous to be undertaken.

The Constitution would absolutely change and it would not be to the benefit of We The People.

For this reason the We The People Foundation chose to have a Continental Congress. Although I've not seen much positive results from such.

"The all Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing". Herger the Joyous

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-04-06   11:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: phantom patriot, Prefrontal Vortex (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-06   11:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: phantom patriot (#6)

What would it matter at this point what the Constitution says? Do they follow it? Do they even pretend to follow it? Aren't 99.99% of the things they're doing now not only unconstitutional but things that the FF's would have been up in arms about, literally speaking?

The Constitution could state that green cheese tastes good and that we all like pie, and it wouldn't mean shit. We're not run under the constitution any longer, nor do they even pretend to run under that model.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-06   11:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-06   11:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-06   11:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)

The Constitution could state that green cheese tastes good and that we all like pie, and it wouldn't mean shit. We're not run under the constitution any longer, nor do they even pretend to run under that model.

It's our Battle Cry! It's our basis for an American way of life.

Unlike many, I don't think anything will be resolved without some degree of violence.

If this day arises (and we aint waitin on me)This is my justification for what I must do.

I take the words of the Declaration in literal terms. There is no more honorable reason to fight to the death than FREEDOM!

"The all Father wove the skein of your life a long time ago. Go and hide in a hole if you wish, but you won't live one instant longer. Your fate is fixed. Fear profits a man nothing". Herger the Joyous

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-04-06   12:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

It'd just become more honest. That's a good thing. The alternative is more hypocrisy and deceit.

Assuming constitutionality should be a concern at all.

The framers made the constitution too hard to amend, so the words changed meaning instead, or are ignored.

There's no such thing as a multicultural/multiracial "We the people."

So no, I don't think it'd be bad for the peoples living under this government.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-06   12:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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