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Title: The Latest Gold Fraud Bombshell: Canada's Only Bullion Bank Gold Vault Is Practically Empty
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URL Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/la ... k-gold-vault-practically-empty
Published: Apr 7, 2010
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2010-04-07 13:25:12 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 508
Comments: 29

Continuing on the trail of exposing what is rapidly becoming one of the largest frauds in commodity markets history is the most recent interview by Eric King with GATA's Adrian Douglas, Harvey Orgen (who recently testified before the CFTC hearing) and his son, Lenny, in which the two discuss their visit to the only bullion bank vault in Canada, that of ScotiaMocatta, located at 40 King Street West in Toronto, and find the vault is practically empty. This is a relevant segue to a class action lawsuit filed against Morgan Stanley, which was settled out of court, in which it was alleged that Morgan Stanley told clients it was selling them precious metals that they would own in full and that the company would store, yet even despite charging storage fees was not in actual possession of the bullion. It appears that this kind of lack of physical holdings by all who claim to have gold in storage, is pervasive as the actual gold globally is held primarily in paper or electronic form.

Lenny Organ who was the person to enter the vault of ScotiaMocatta, says "What shocked me was how little gold and silver they actually had." Lenny describes exactly how much (or little as the case may be) silver was available - roughly 60,000 ounces. As for gold - 210 400 oz bars, 4,000 maples, 500 eagles, 10 kilo bars, 10 one kilogram pieces of gold nugget form, which Adrian Douglas calculates as being $100 million worth, which is just one tenth of what the Royal Mint of Canada sold in 2008, or over $1 billion worth of gold. As Orgen concludes: "The game ends when the people who own all these paper obligations say enough and take physical delivery, and that's when the mess will occur."

Also note the interesting detour into what Stephan Spicer of the Central Fund Of Canada, said regarding his friend at a major bank, who wanted access to his 15,000 oz of silver, and had to wait 6-8 weeks for its to be flown in from Hong Kong.

It is funny that central bankers thought they could take the ponzi mentality of infinite dilution of all assets coupled with infinite debt issuance, as they have done to fiat money, and apply it to gold, in essence piling leverage upon leverage. They underestimated gold holders' willingness to be diluted into perpetuity - when the realization that gold owned is just 1% of what is physically deliverable, you will see the biggest bank run in history.

Link to full Eric King interview. www.kingworldnews.com/kin...e_%26_Adrian_Douglas.html

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Yesterday the big news was that Canada's Loonie reached parity with our Onesie, but since neither currency is backed by gold, in truth, both currencies are worth a big poopie.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-07   13:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-07   14:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-07   15:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#0)

The Jews are looting all the Gold reserves in the world and making tungsten bars with GOLD plating and selling them around the world.

The "Tungsten-Filled Gold Bar" Conspiracy Gets Discussed On CNBC Nov 18, 2009 ... The Chinese uncover gold bars filled with tungsten and it's reported ... Fact: China uncovers massive fraud and makes arrests with in hours
www.businessinsider.com/t...discussed-on-cnbc-2009-11

The IMF sold Gold plated tungsten bars to India ?!?!?! | Ron Paul ... The IMF sold Gold plated tungsten bars to India ?!?!?! Submitted by legalizeliberty on Mon, 12/14/2009 - 10:25
www.dailypaul.com/node/118950

Gold Counterfeiting: German TV discovers 500g Tungsten Bar from ... Mar 5, 2010 ... GCN: The Genesis Communications Network. Listen Live: On Air, Online, On Demand! The biggest and best in alternative talk radio,
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Itistoolate  posted on  2010-04-07   16:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#0)

It appears that this kind of lack of physical holdings by all who claim to have gold in storage, is pervasive as the actual gold globally is held primarily in paper or electronic form.

I have a friend here locally that admitted she and her husband had purchased some gold from Larry Bates of Chicago a couple of years ago and let him keep it in storage for them.

They decided a month ago to take physical delivery and were told that the gold was under some sort of audit (federal). They still haven't received it.

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-07   16:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Itistoolate (#4)

All this fraud in the gold market will cause gold prices to crash because no one will be able to verify that it is actually gold that it being sold.

The elitists are playing the angles, crash the currencies, the economies, the property values and the precious metals markets.

Of course, by creating a world of "have nots" the elitists setting themselves up to be plucked like a geese.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-07   16:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PaulCJ (#6)

We're getting close to George Bush's NWO, One World Government, a COMMUNIST form of Gov't.

wake-up-america.net/jews_and_communism.htm

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-04-07   16:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Itistoolate (#7) (Edited)

That is what the elitists think. But if you look at it with a detailed eye, you will see that the elitists are about to catch trouble from both ends.

First from the lenders point of view, China has lent the U.S. Federal Reserve trillions of dollars over the last decade.

If the U.S. fed defaults, it is China who are holding the IOUs, among other nations, such as Japan and Russia.

China may have a role with the elitists, but it is a partnership of convenience, not an brotherhood. In response, China will likely seize all holdings held by foreign elitists in their territories.

On the other end, are the peoples of the earth. There comes a point where abuse of government reaches a threshold that people rebel. In disarmed populations, this causes little concern from elitists.

The U.S. is not such a nation. The past few years have seen record gun and ammo sales: www.ammoland.com/2010/03/...-firearms-keeps-marching/

In 2009, over 14 million guns were sold to private citizens, and over 14 BILLION rounds of ammo were also sold. Too put this in perspective, that is more guns and ammo than 21 of the worlds largest armies: www.ammoland.com/2010/01/...illion-plus-guns-in-2009/

In recent years, from the political fronts, beside the Tea Party movement, a number of State Governments have been backing the U.S. federal governments encroachment of the people's Constitutional rights.

I will leave the rest to your imagination.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-07   16:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PaulCJ, 4 (#6)

My take is that it will shoot even higher with the discovery of the even more rarity of real AU.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-07   17:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9)

My take is that it will shoot even higher with the discovery of the even more rarity of real AU.

Not if its the market that is committing the fraud.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-07   18:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PaulCJ (#10)

You are dilusional if you think the gold market will crash.

robnoel  posted on  2010-04-07   18:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robnoel (#11) (Edited)

You are dilusional if you think the gold market will crash.

Uncertainty in any market will cause loss of values in that market.

So far, there is fraud of selling gold that does not exist, over reporting of gold holdings, and fake gold bars.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-07   18:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robnoel (#11)

"What shocked me was how little gold and silver they actually had."

that's pretty alarming though, wouldn't you say?

christine  posted on  2010-04-07   18:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PaulCJ (#12)

So far, there is fraud of selling gold that does not exist, over reporting of gold holdings, and fake gold bars.

So how do you jump to the conclusion that the market will crash it is for that very reason that gold prices will rise as holders of paper gold rush to take delivery and when they can't all available real gold will be snapped up over nite and irrespective of what the official gold price is you will not be able to buy any gold at any price

robnoel  posted on  2010-04-07   18:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#13)

No it's not alarming...I've been talking about shortages for years...even since this story broke golds up $40.00 and silver is up $1.66

robnoel  posted on  2010-04-07   18:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robnoel (#15)

ok ;)

christine  posted on  2010-04-07   19:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PaulCJ (#6) (Edited)

All this fraud in the gold market will cause gold prices to crash because no one will be able to verify that it is actually gold that it being sold.

There are sure fire ways to determine if gold is really gold or not.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-07   19:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: robnoel (#11)

Hey man, where have you been lately ??? (Missing On 4UM ... I still hear ya on RBN).

That fella named MacGuire (sp) has stirred the manipulation pot just a little hasn't he ? I've listened to several others commenting on the situation as you have as well, and everyone has spoken highly of this guy and all admit he is respected in the metals market.

He sure stuck his neck out there.

Side Note: What's the driving force causing you to remove to Africa ? Are you just homesick or suicidal ???

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-07   19:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PaulCJ (#10)

Not if its the market that is committing the fraud.

The market committing the fraud?

The market is everyone who owns gold and is selling. It is not confined to the establishment exchanges.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-07   19:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222, robnoel (#18)

Are you just homesick or suicidal ???

laughing...

christine  posted on  2010-04-07   19:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PaulCJ (#12)

So far, there is fraud of selling gold that does not exist, over reporting of gold holdings, and fake gold bars.

Less physical gold than previously thought will make gold more valuable, not less valuable. Fraud is bad for those committing the fraud, but not for the market as a whole.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-07   19:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#9)

It will indeed go higher, what else can it do versus paper currencies that have nothing to back them up?

Everything will go higher versus fiat currencies.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-07   19:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: RickyJ (#22)

That's my take on it.

I don't see how anyone could think differently.

But, what do I know?

Lod  posted on  2010-04-07   19:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PaulCJ (#6)

All this fraud in the gold market will cause gold prices to crash because no one will be able to verify that it is actually gold that it being sold.

Sometimes, I run across silly posts like yours and question why you made the above claim. Don't you feel foolish? Buying and selling Ag/Au bullion is based on hall marks with serial number traceability by the same foundries such as AMark, Credit Suisse and so forth.

Get a life, pal .... we don't trade in little nuggets or bars as you imagine in GoldFinger.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-07   19:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#18)

What's the driving force causing you to remove to Africa ? Are you just homesick or suicidal ???

I guess a little of both....or as someone once said "A safe life is a boring life"

robnoel  posted on  2010-04-07   20:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robnoel (#25)

..."A safe life is a boring life"

Move closer to our southern border.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-07   20:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#26)

I'm very close to the southern border...its boring :-)

robnoel  posted on  2010-04-07   20:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robnoel (#27)

Well whatever you do ... good luck and best wishes !!!

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-07   22:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#24)

Sometimes, I run across silly posts like yours and question why you made the above claim. Don't you feel foolish? Buying and selling Ag/Au bullion is based on hall marks with serial number traceability by the same foundries such as AMark, Credit Suisse and so forth.

A number of those bars have been found to be fakes, other gold bars are missing and cannot be accounted for.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-07   22:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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