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Title: “COLLATERAL DAMAGE,” SPINNING AWAY MURDER IN IRAQ
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URL Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0 ... -spinning-away-murder-in-iraq/
Published: Apr 7, 2010
Author: Brown
Post Date: 2010-04-07 16:14:21 by tom007
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GORDON DUFF: “COLLATERAL DAMAGE,” SPINNING AWAY MURDER IN IRAQ April 7, 2010 by Gordon Duff · 4 Comments Share EXCUSES, EXPLANATIONS OR CONSPIRACY AND MISPRISION OF A FELONY TIME FOR THE “SPIN MASTERS” TO “PAY THE FIDDLER” By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, grunt and 100% disabled vet. He has been a featured commentator on TV and radio including Al Jazeera and his articles have been carried by news services around the world. He has been a UN Diplomat, defense contractor and is a widely published expert on military and defense issues. He is active in the financial industry and is a specialist on global ... MSNBC, in an excellent video, has put out both sides of the story on the 2007 ”video game murder” in Iraq. The most telling aspect of this story isn’t just that we now know our own Army leaked the video or that many others like it exist, it is the lengths we go to using “surrogates” to spin away murder. Years of lies droning on, filling the American airwaves have made senseless and fantasy based explanations for daily issues, be they war, health care or the presidents birth certificate subject to “conspiracy theory.” What so many Americans have awakened to is that our real conspiracies are all formulated “at the top” where money and power seek to control public opinion thru disinformation. Now we are being told black is white on a video we can actually see. YouTube - Veterans Today - I wish to thank WikiLeaks and the people of the United States military who leaked this film along with those who support realistic reforms that this film demands. Taking a moment to put some reality into the spin, misinformation and attempts at a cover-up, we can get a few facts out. RPG 29, WEAPON SAID TO BE INSIDE CAMERA BAG 1. This film was made during the height of the surge. The area filmed is called a “hot zone.” This explanation, through omission is a lie. The primary activity of the surge was not combat but rather the realignment of the armed militias in the region being filmed through cash payments. If the two armed security people with the Reuter’s group were militia members, they were most likely employees of the United States government receiving a $300 a month stipend. Journalists are in far more danger in these areas than any other group, including American troops. The number of journalists kidnapped and murdered is astounding. Thousands of armed militia, real militia with heavy weapons and uniforms, in this area of Baghdad were working for the US at this time. Assuming that these two lightly armed people with the unarmed group were not either security personnel, protecting the others from criminal gangs or paid militia working for the US is not based on the reality of the period and the location. Lying to interfere with an investigation or to hide a crime, whether done by a reporter or member of the military is a felony. 2. Statements that the Apache helicopter was subject to attack by this group is untrue. We have failed to reveal that the helicopter was, based on the optics and pattern of fire, nearly 1 mile away. The M789 ammunition which should have been used has an effective range, capable of Namir Noor-Eldeen, MURDERED JOURNALIST SAID TO HAVE 6 FOOT LONG RPG 29 HIDDEN IN HIS LENS BAG piercing tank armor, of 4000 meters, approximately 3 miles. American optics can read a car license plate from earth orbit. We can certainly tell a child in a car or a movie camera the size of a woman’s purse from an RPG that is 5 feet long. Hitting a helicopter with a non-existent RPG hidden inside a camera bag, from a mile away, is utterly impossible. Also, hitting any target at long range with an AK-47, a weapon with a short range 7.62/39 cartridge is also impossible. YouTube - Veterans Today - 3. Assuming that a group of men on the streets of a neighborhood filled with criminal gangs, gangs living on bribe money paid by Americans, gangs who make a living by kidnapping journalists and local citizens, who have an armed escort are “insurgents” is simply crazy. Iraqis living there are in far more danger than Americans and die by the dozens, sometimes hundreds, each week. It is still going on at even higher levels than then with no Americans operating in the areas at all. The same people walk the same streets with the same guns today, in exactly the same way. It is how they stay alive. In America, we would call it our 2nd Amendment right. 4. The military and its “surrogates” have suggested the Apache was defending a nearby convoy from attacks from RPG 29s that they spotted inside the camera bags of the Reuter’s reporters. This is a photograph of an RPG 29: 5. The military has released a number of unsupported claims, one being that a convoy was in the area. Imagine a maze of small streets, an almost infinite maze. Not only were there no troops anywhere near the site of the incident but, in fact, directing them to find the area took some time. The “convoy” was, not only not going there, they didn’t even know how to find “there” even with the help of an Apache Longbow helicopter with advanced geo-navigation systems. 30mm CANNON SHELLS USED ON REPORTERS AND VAN 6. Iraq is an Islamic Republic and subject to Islamic law. Islamic law requires all citizens to assist any sick or wounded person. Every American knows this and, frankly, many Americans have benefited from this. Any Muslim that stops to help another is performing a religious duty, an act of similar importance to prayer itself. Attacking a Muslim for aiding the sick or injured is a criminal act in any Islamic country and, frankly, should be everywhere. The Americans who directed the murderous attack on the unarmed people who stopped to help the single severely wounded man were attacked, not only in direct violation of American rules of engagement but Islamic law. 7. Reports from the military indicate that false reports of a fire fight involving ground forces was part of the action. In such cases, commendations and medals are often awarded. What will a search of the military records of all involved reveal? Were any medals or commendations awarded based on inventing an incident to obscure criminal activity? What does this do to every American veteran and every decorated combat veteran if we find commendations were awarded for these “acts?” 8. As no statements on the “load-out” of the Apache Longbow helicopters involved has been made, is it possible that Depleted Uranium ammunition, now being sited by the Department of Veterans Affairs as cause for numerous illnesses suffered by Gulf War veterans, being used in this engagement? TYPICAL FRAGMENTATION PATTERN OF APACHE 30MM "ANTI-PERSONNEL" ROUND (USE OF SUCH WEAPONS BANNED BY THE GENEVA CONVENTION) PATTERNS OF SUBTERFUGE AND DECEPTION The internet is flooded with hundreds of videos, perhaps even thousands, demonstrating the prowess of advanced weaponry being used in an urban environment or against “insurgent” targets. Systems such as the Apache Longbow, designed for use against massed enemy armoured divisions with massive cannons designed to obliterate enemy tanks and highly fortified positions, when used against sporadically armed irregular forces or unarmed civilians seems a misapplication of resources at minimum and, frankly, insanity when looked at carefully. General Stanley McChrystal, recognizing that it was cheaper to hire insurgents at $300 per month than to use $5000 dollars worth of ammunition to kill one showed, not only amazing judgment but an appreciation for human life seldom seen in military leaders. Were the two armed personnel insurgents planning to attack an American convoy of Bradley fighting vehicles, using only two rifles and no extra ammunition or were these two security guards watching out for Reuters newsmen interviewing local leaders? Were the two armed men who were killed actually employed by the United States, as were others of their ilk in that neighborhood? What of the unarmed people with them? Do insurgent groups typically only arm some and not all? Are weapons hard to get in Iraq? We all know better than this. What of the totally unarmed group? Were they actually killed for trying to help wounded, as the tape says? Do Americans pay millions to Boeing to build the Apache helicopter or thousands to General Dynamics to manufacture the ammunition, for such senselessness? Do we spend millions training pilots for this kind of mission? Is there anything we could have done, spending so much money, misusing so many resources, to do as much damage to the reputation of the United States, the honor of her military forces and veterans and the security of our country?
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#1. To: tom007 (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Apache Longbow (video game) from Digital Integration, creating psychopathic helicopter pilots since 1995.
What fun. No wonder we are where we are now.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" the outfit that put that apache video game together seems to have hit some financial rough spots, but apparently they recovered with a little help from an israeli company. if you wandered through the thickets of the video games industry, tracking the money... well, i dont know where you'd wind up, but it stinks to high heaven of spooks and looters.
I am sure "Grand Theft Auto Theft" sic was great in instilling productive life values into millions of US children lately.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" ____________ Looks quite a bit like Netanyahu, imo. He asks a lot of questions and mentions misapplication/misuse of our resources. Yet, for a supposed disabled Vet, he has not one single question or comment on the film with regard to the safety of our military as to why there is an "azimuth limit" on our guns, let alone any question of the film's authenticity such as the fairer [Al Jazeera?] reporter asks of Wikileaks' Assange in the second video at this Veterans Today link: ED FROOMKIN: US TROOPS ON VIDEO, MURDER IN IRAQ Article excerpt: "Just last month, WikiLeaks posted the results of a U.S. counterintelligence investigation into none other than WikiLeaks itself. The report determined that WikiLeaks “represents a potential force protection, counterintelligence, operational security (OPSEC), and information security (INFOSEC) threat to the US Army.” Excerpt of a good comment at the link by David Winnett: "My biggest fear when these mistakes occur is the knee-jerk reaction that usually follows, further restricting the rules of engagement. What happens next? – will the President be required to approve each move on the battlefield?" Another question Duff doesn't ask is Qui Bono?: Who benefits by doing "as much damage to the reputation of the United States, the honor of her military forces and veterans and the security of our country?" This video is horrific and can increase hostilities and casualties on both sides whether it's true or not. If true, who is guiding some of our forces to make America into the image of crazed occupier Israel so it doesn't look so conspicuously monstrous? By now we should instinctively know that there are some people even on the inside who would go to great lengths in the Information War to attack our military and everyone else they consider enemies with flase evidence, like this: Israel's 9/11 "To Do" Checklist I'm not making excuses to spin away murder, if that's the case. Neither will I excuse Wikileaks' roles in endangering the region, as well as our troops. Reflexively jumping to the conclusion that the worst said of our military must always be unquestionably true, anyone who does that is a "good guy" who should be trusted by default, and all who don't jump likewise are credibility damaged is wrong and reckless. That, too, is similar to a vicious video game where the objective is for America to self-destruct as much as possible.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
sure you are
Yes, the commies have somehow managed to put an "the safety of our military as to why there is an "azimuth limit" on our guns, " Pathetic worm of the establishment. So GreyLmist Tell us why there is an "azimuth limit" on the 30 mm cannons of the apache AH-64. According to you Raytheon or Lockheed have been commandered by Al Quadia. It must have been the "liberals or the commies", no doubt, so we couldn't kill the murderous Muslims who are going to rape Rin Tin Tin in his dog house. Come on tell us.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The Pentagon said it was authentic. Fool.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Seems to be the responsibility of the US military dishonoring its self.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are deranged. So what?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The event happened in 2007. Nut knuckles.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The Pentagon said it was authentic. Fool. I'm wounded by your barbed wires -- not. The Pentagon is a building. Be specific. Who exactly at the Pentagon verified with impeccable authority that it's authentic, if anyone? Are you absolutely sure they're trustworthy? I don't think you really want to discuss azimuth limits or even care, do you? You just want to jump at questioners like me to get points with your commanders, dont you?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
you have any idea what azimuth limits are, and why they're necessary?
"jump at questioners like me to get points with your commanders, dont you? " Pathetic. Try again, I suppose.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Nut knuckles. deranged Pathetic The helicopter video is reportedly circa 2007, too. So what's your point besides more barbed wires?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
------- Your response is a bit more incoherent than your logic.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Tell me why they're necessary, if they are. I'm asking.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I don't have forever and a day to decipher your bellicose "logic". Again, what's your point?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
do you want to shoot off your own rotor blades? are you, in your excitement as you're getting ready to murder a whole gang of people, exceeding the angles that the ammo feed mechanism can accomodate? are you, in your in your excitement as you're getting ready to murder a whole gang of people, exceeding the angles that your radar and laser systems can achieve? in your excitement, are you exceeding the design limits of the aircraft and gun system? are you a dumb kid whose main objective is sounding cool on the radio while you're shitting yourself with excitement because your wildest video game fantasies are finally coming true?
I'll give that some thought. Thanks for your comprehenseive reply to my question.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
it's not every day a helicopter pilot gets a chance to murder a whole bunch of people who are standing around out in the open like that. not every day do you get a chance to shoot up an ambulance full of kids. it's understandable, with such an opportunity at hand ---an opportunity sanctioned by your government and military, both of which are too big to fail--- that you might be so overwrought that you exceed the aircraft limitations, dont you think?
So, you think the chances that the gun jammed by malfunction are slim to none. I hope you're right because that has been a terrible problem that's caused many casualties of our troops through the years. There ought to be some handguns or rifles on board as spares or something to defend themselves with in situations where they might be taking fire when it shuts down.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
it's likely the crew wears personal handguns, and probably has an AK or two stashed in the helicopter as part of their survival gear. at least that's how it was in vietnam, laos and cambodia for the marines and air america. as far as the 30mm jamming... i'd bet that the gunner was so excited that he exceeded the azimuth limits on the gun system. and there are mechanical reasons for those azimuth limits, and psychological reasons that the machinery is built and programmed to adhere to those limits, because people tend to lose control of themselves in combat.
seeing as how these guys were not in combat, it's probable they caught a little case of "buck fever", which is what happens to an inexperienced hunter when he finally gets a shot at a trophy. you practice and practice and practice on your video games and flight simulators, but it's not the same as shooting real people. until neocons start shipping useless eaters to gunnery ranges to serve as targets for helicopter gunner training, these kids will get buck fever until they've killed enough people that they dont get so excited anymore. of course, i spose that these wars could be seen as training... iraqis and afghans as targets for the trainees... as our heroic helicopter pilots ready themselves for the big game, which will be americans who have become disenchanted with the neocon project.
I'm going to try to partially reconstruct a post I made at LF years ago about a military target practice: "Shoot the target soldier." "But, sir, the target is a little child." "He's pointing at you." "So?" "He's giving your position away. Shoot the target now!" Shooting that target would definitely give away a soldier's position so again I'm asking on this board, who is guiding our military to become the image of crazed occupier Israel so they don't look so singularly monstrous? [Edit to add: And endangering our troops in the process.] There's a lot of talk about video games in this issue and, oddly enough, there is a video game called "Call of Duty: The Big Red One" that seems to figure in this WikiLeaks 4/5 End of Passover plague strike at The Big Red One: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st..._Division_(United_States) The 1st Infantry Division of the United States Army (nicknamed The Big Red One after its shoulder patch[2] and The Fighting First[2]) is the oldest division in the United States Army. www.commondreams.org/news wire/2010/04/09 Veteran of "Collateral Murder" Company Speaks Out WASHINGTON - April 9 - Josh Stieber, who is a former soldier of the “Collateral Murder” Company [sic] BACKGROUND ON JOSH STIEBER: Branch of service: United States Army (USA)72; Unit: 1st ID72; Rank: Spc. 72;Home: Laytonsville, Maryland72; Served in: Baghdad (Rustamiyah) 07-08 Fort Riley, KS 06-07, 08-09 In the movie, The Big Red One, Lee Marvin says (paraphrasing): You don't murder the enemy. You kill them. Speaking of plagues, there was a cholera epidemic around the area of the home base of the Big Red One in Custer's era. Since WWI, it has been called "ground zero" for the "Spanish Flu" said to have originated there.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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#3. To: groundresonance (#2)
#4. To: tom007 (#3)
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What fun.
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#6. To: tom007 (#0)
Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, grunt and 100% disabled vet. He has been a featured commentator on TV and radio including Al Jazeera and his articles have been carried by news services around the world. He has been a UN Diplomat, defense contractor and is a widely published expert on military and defense issues. He is active in the financial industry and is a specialist on global ...
...He is active in the financial industry and is a specialist on global trade. Gordon Duff acts as political and economic advisor to a number of governments in Africa and the Middle East. Gordon Duff is currently working on economic development projects in Pakistan and Afghanistan to counter the effects of poverty and global extremism.
#7. To: GreyLmist (#6)
I'm not making excuses to spin away murder
#8. To: GreyLmist (#6)
regard to the safety of our military as to why there is an "azimuth limit" on our guns
#9. To: GreyLmist (#6)
"azimuth limit" on our guns, let alone any question of the film's authenticity
#10. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Who benefits by doing "as much damage to the reputation of the United States, the honor of her military forces and veterans and the security of our country?"
#11. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Looks quite a bit like Netanyahu, imo
#12. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Neither will I excuse Wikileaks' roles in endangering the region, as well as our troops.
#13. To: tom007 (#9)
Pathetic worm of the establishment.
#14. To: GreyLmist (#13)
azimuth limits
#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)
I don't think you really want to discuss azimuth limits or even care, do you? You just want to jump at questioners like me to get points with your commanders, dont you?
#16. To: tom007 (#12)
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The event happened in 2007.
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
The helicopter video is reportedly circa 2007, too. So what's your point besides more barbed wires?
#18. To: groundresonance (#14)
you have any idea what azimuth limits are, and why they're necessary?
#19. To: tom007 (#17)
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Your response is a bit more incoherent than your logic.
#20. To: GreyLmist (#18)
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azimuth limits
#21. To: groundresonance (#20)
#22. To: GreyLmist (#21)
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I'll give that some thought.
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#25. To: GreyLmist (#23)
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#26. To: groundresonance (#25)
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