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Title: Interesting post at Wired.
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Published: Apr 8, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-04-08 09:49:56 by tom007
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@trollout- I’ve known many other soldiers like you that think you can justify the slaughter of innocent men,women, and children by saying you are fighting for every Americans freedom. That we would not be safe leave our homes if it weren’t for you and me over there fighting and slaughtering people. There is no justification for murder.

There is still murder during a time of war. Justify it by defending it if it helps you sleep at night.

I’ve killed people that didn’t deserve it just because I was ordered to. No other reason. Unarmed, everyday people on more than one occasion. The war zone was made by us and I helped make it. Apparently you haven’t had to take a life, or lives for that matter. Well I have taken many in the false name of freedom and democracy. 33 that I’ve counted and have to live with for the rest of my life.

All of these instances were never provoked by the enemy because they were not the enemy, yet we were ordered to fire. Some just wanted to shoot their M4’s so bad they didn’t care what or who they shot at. I know what I did was wrong but ordered or not I am still liable for those lives.

Hell, the field manual says ” I was ordered to” is no excuse. These “insurgents” never fired on the helos nor anyone on the ground in the 5 minutes before the choppers opened fire. NO positive ID was observed. Just some pilots word. Don’t make the mistake of questioning my service to this country. I signed up to defend it, not to murder for it.

War is horrible, but there used to be honor and bravery in it. There is no honor in slaughter. There is no honor in shooting and torturing prisoners either, but we do it. I don’t expect the enemy to have this honor but I do expect us to have it. We don’t set a very good example. If there is hate for this country, we made it. If there is distrust in this country it is because we earned it. And if this country ever falls, it will be because we deserved it.

We live in a country were it’s people despise it’s President that 68 percent of us voted for because of the color of his skin. We are the land of freedom and liberty yet we stop people at our borders and turn them around denying them entry. Our government lies, cheats, and steals to get its way and bend the laws around our needs.

Why is this worth fighting for? This country hasn’t had to fight for it’s freedom since the revolutionary war. Every other war we’ve been apart of has been someone else’s war. And the only reason we get in on it is because there is something in it for us. Not because we are proud or to help others. It’s because it will help us in some way. Yet we hide this fact by calling it freedom fighting or whatever. We use the press to scare our people into believing that we are constantly under attack with colored threat levels and other bullshit.

America is like a guy who hits a dog and then when the dog bites he has the dog put down. We bother these other countries with laws and policies and occupation until they bite, and then we put them down. Who provoked the dog to bite? We did. You can’t blame those people for not taking our shit. They don’t want our system of government, they want their own. Why we feel we have to force feed our system on everyone is beyond me.

I am strong believer in God. And God split everyone up and made thousands of different languages and races of people back in the Old Testament for a reason. He wanted us all to be different but still get along with our fellow nations. Not try am push ourselves on them. Rome fell because of this, Hitler fell because of this, and some day it will be our turn to fall because of this. To go on with no regard for human life, weather in war or not, is sick. Justify it however you want, But there is a right and a wrong and these actions will always be wrong… # Posted by: huangxiaohan | 04/7/10 | 9:14 pm |

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#1. To: tom007, 4 (#0)

That soldier gets it, from top to bottom.

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-08   10:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tom007 (#0)

We are the land of freedom and liberty yet we stop people at our borders and turn them around denying them entry.

I bet he hates horses.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-08   10:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tom007, all, to hell with the military, *WAR CRIMES* (#0)

I’ve killed people that didn’t deserve it just because I was ordered to. No other reason. Unarmed, everyday people on more than one occasion. The war zone was made by us and I helped make it. Apparently you haven’t had to take a life, or lives for that matter. Well I have taken many in the false name of freedom and democracy. 33 that I’ve counted and have to live with for the rest of my life.

He just admitted to 33 counts of murder 1. He didn't "kill" them, he murdered them. He is a war criminal.

And after the fact, he has the gall to say what a bad thing he did. Excuse me if I don't give that monstrous little fuck a shoulder to cry on. He should immediately put the nearest handgun in his mouth and pull the trigger, and make the world a better place.

He should have died Over There. And now we have another mass murderer free out there somewhere, maybe wearing a badge, maybe not.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-08   11:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#3) (Edited)

he has the gall to say what a bad thing he did

maybe that's one of the biggest tragedies we got going for ourselves...

by the time you figure out that the system isnt worth defending, you've already killed people in defense of it... at least, you assumed the system was worth defending when you locked yourself into a situation where you had to kill people...

meanwhile, there are the psychos like the guys in the video, who seem to be getting a huge kick out of killing those people...

they'll grow up to be generals, defense civilians and bombbuilder executives, too old and dignified anymore to be first-person shooters, but revolving from military to government to corporations, getting richer, more powerful, more predatory at every step.

it's a wonderful system for psychopaths.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-08   11:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: groundresonance, PSUSA (#4)

Yes, he's a war criminal. But at least one that sees the light.

What stands out on the apache video is not only the shooting of guys just having some conversation standing on as street corner, but the callousness of the pilot/gunner that does the shooting. Yes, he is forever accountable for his act, but it's obvious that his callousness is endemic to about the entire military branch over there, and it's hard to believe this incident is the only case of murder. The above confirms this.

Some 50,000 Vietnam vets did take their own lives after surviving that war. Perhaps many because they did what this guy did, so you (PSUSA) may yet get your wish.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-04-08   13:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5) (Edited)

They did what this guy did because they were ordered to do so. I know that doesn't make it right, but the more guilty party here has to be the ones giving the orders, not the troops carrying out orders, which is what they are trained to do.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-08   14:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Perhaps many because they did what this guy did, so you (PSUSA) may yet get your wish.

I disagree. Apples and oranges.

It's one thing to voluntarily and gleefully murder. It's quite another to be drafted and thrown in a shithole through no fault of your own.

The little bastard that admitted to 33 counts of murder 1 evidently kept good count. He was rather specific on his personal body count.

He wasn't just standing up in a fighting position with his rifle over his head and spraying rounds downrange. He was not facing being overrun. He purposely aimed at and hit his targets, which he admitted were no threat to him or anyone else.

They are under no obligation to follow unlawful orders. Last I heard, ordering someone to commit murder is an unlawful order.

I stand by what I said.

I don't care if this little shit "sees the light" or not. Because it is little shits like this that will fire on US citizens when ordered to do so, no questions asked.

I don't give him a pass any more than I'd give Ted Bundy a pass because he admitted what he did before he got strapped to that chair.

So yeah, the world would be a better place with him pushing up daisies. Him, and everyone else that did what he did.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-04-08   15:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#7)

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not passing judgment on the vietnam vets, as certainly many are truly innocent of any crimes at all. I'm just saying that so many have killed themselves after returning home, and we could see the same with the Iraq vets. So... you may get your wish. This guy above has apparently a conscience which could be his undoing.

But I think these guys were brainwashed into treating Iraqis as non-humans, and I think that has little to do with whether they were drafted or not. Wars cannot be waged with compassionate, humane soldiers and the brass knows this, so dehumanizing the enemy is an important step in making an army that follows orders blindly.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-04-08   16:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite, PSUSA, 4 (#8)

Pat Tillman was killed for having a conscience and seeing through the big lie.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-08   16:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#8) (Edited)

Wars cannot be waged with compassionate, humane soldiers and the brass knows this, so dehumanizing the enemy is an important step in making an army that follows orders blindly.

There were compassionate soldiers in the WikiLeaks video who carried the children to get them help instead of weapons to protect themselves in what they believed to be a battlezone. Other soldiers were protecting them and trying to get help too. Even the gunner said something remorseful but you are speaking to people who don't seem to think any of that matters. Very much like torturers or the Bush fixed "intel" cabal, they probably wouldn't believe anything ever said or done by the military unless it's inhumane or otherwise awful so as to fit their "enemy" imagery. That's all they seem to want to hear or see to make them feel good about their abject refusals of any presumptions of innocence until proven guilty for the military whatsoever. And people like that want us to fear the military coming home because they might not hesitate to fire on Americans but I doubt they'd hesitate to fire on Americans themselves if they were at the scene in Iraq with a gun. I wonder if those children would have made it to a hospital in time to save them, or made it there at all, or if any of them would have even noticed a child was being carried, or would they just have seen easy targets for their fury -- unarmed "enemy" US soldiers on the run like they might be holding explosives or something they shouldn't.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-08   18:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GreyLmist (#10)

There were compassionate soldiers in the WikiLeaks video who carried the children to get them help

Yes, that's a good thing.

Even the gunner said something remorseful

Yes, I think he said "damn". But he then quickly went on to blame the rescuer he had killed for, I believe the words were "bringing children to a battle". I'll accept your point on the soldier on the ground carrying the child to the Bradley and calling for help on her behalf, but the callousness of the gunner in killing a couple rescuers is hardly exonerated by his single worded regret of "damn".

Very much like torturers or the Bush fixed "intel" cabal, they probably wouldn't believe anything ever said or done by the military unless it's inhumane or otherwise awful so as to fit their "enemy" imagery. ...

You may well be right. When war breaks out, there's no shortage of bad guys. Good guys on either side can be quite rare. But it's hard when observing a war to give the benefit of a doubt to the side with superior firepower. It's much easier to give it instead to the underdog people who are fighting armed foreigners who occupy their countries, cities and towns, especially when 1-2% (or more) of the entire population are casualties of Washington's foreign policy.

Our military should not be there, so the first crime belongs to the USA.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-04-09   0:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Our military should not be there

Agreed. All troops home now!

Thanks for your thoughtful and reasonable message, good sir.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-09   1:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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