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Title: Freaky Physics Proves Parallel Universes Exist
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010 ... parallel-universes/?test=faces
Published: Apr 8, 2010
Author: By John Brandon
Post Date: 2010-04-08 13:47:02 by gengis gandhi
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Views: 726
Comments: 52

Freaky Physics Proves Parallel Universes Exist By John Brandon - FOXNews.com Look past the details of a wonky discovery by a group of California scientists - - that a quantum state is now observable with the human eye -- and consider its implications: Time travel may be feasible.

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In the movie "Back to the Future," Doc Brown builds a time machine into a Delorean. New research brings that vehicle one step closer to reality.

Look past the details of a wonky discovery by a group of California scientists - - that a quantum state is now observable with the human eye -- and consider its implications: Time travel may be feasible. Doc Brown would be proud.

The strange discovery by quantum physicists at the University of California Santa Barbara means that an object you can see in front of you may exist simultaneously in a parallel universe -- a multi-state condition that has scientists theorizing that traveling through time may be much more than just the plaything of science fiction writers.

And it's all because of a tiny bit of metal -- a "paddle" about the width of a human hair, an item that is incredibly small but still something you can see with the naked eye.

UC Santa Barbara's Andrew Cleland cooled that paddle in a refrigerator, dimmed the lights and, under a special bell jar, sucked out all the air to eliminate vibrations. He then plucked it like a tuning fork and noted that it moved and stood still at the same time.

That sounds contradictory, and it's nearly impossible to understand if your last name isn't Einstein. But it actually happened. It's a freaky fact that's at the heart of quantum mechanics.

A UC Santa Barbara physicist has found a way to move this tiny metal paddle into two states simultaneously, such that it both vibrates and holds still. How Is That Possible?

To even try to understand it, you have to think really, really small. Smaller than an atom. Electrons, which circle the nucleus of an atom, are swirling around in multiple states at the same time -- they're hard to pin down. It's only when we measure the position of an electron that we force it to have a specific location. Cleland's breakthrough lies in taking that hard-to-grasp yet true fact about the atomic particle and applying it to something visible with the naked eye.

What does it all mean? Let's say you're in Oklahoma visiting your aunt. But in another universe, where your atomic particles just can't keep up, you're actually at home watching "The Simpsons." That may sound far-fetched, but it's based on real science.

"When you observe something in one state, one theory is it split the universe into two parts," Cleland told FoxNews.com, trying to explain how there can be multiple universes and we can see only one of them.

The multi-verse theory says the entire universe "freezes" during observation, and we see only one reality. You see a soccer ball flying through the air, but maybe in a second universe the ball has dropped already. Or you were looking the other way. Or they don't even play soccer over there.

Sean Carroll, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology and a popular author, accepts the scientific basis for the multi-verse -- even if it cannot be proven.

"Unless you can imagine some super-advanced alien civilization that has figured this out, we aren't affected by the possible existence of other universes," Carroll said. But he does think "someone could devise a machine that lets one universe communicate with another."

It all comes down to how we understand time.

Carroll suggests that we don't exactly feel time -- we perceive its passing. For example, time moves fast on a rollercoaster and very slowly during a dull college lecture. It races when you're late for work . . . but the last few minutes before quitting time seem like hours.

Back to the Future

"Time seems to be a one-way street that runs from the past to the present," says Fred Alan Wolf, a.k.a. Dr. Quantum, a physicist and author. "But take into consideration theories that look at the level of quantum fields ... particles that travel both forward and backward in time. If we leave out the forward-and- backwards-in-time part, we miss out on some of the physics."

Wolf says that time -- at least in quantum mechanics -- doesn't move straight like an arrow. It zig-zags, and he thinks it may be possible to build a machine that lets you bend time.

Consider Sergei Krikalev, the Russian astronaut who flew six space missions. Richard Gott, a physicist at Princeton University, says Krikalev aged 1/48th of a second less than the rest of us because he orbited at very high speeds. And to age less than someone means you've jumped into the future -- you did not experience the same present. In a sense, he says, Krikalev time-traveled to the future -- and back again!

"Newton said all time is universal and all clocks tick the same way," Gott says. "Now with Einstein's theory of Special Relativity we know that travel into the future is possible. With Einstein's theory of gravity, the laws of physics as we understand them today suggest that even time travel to the past is possible in principle. But to see whether time travel to the past can actually be realized we may have to learn new laws of physics that step in at the quantum level."

And for that, you start with a very tiny paddle in a bell jar.

Cleland has proved that quantum mechanics scale to slightly larger sizes. The next challenge is to learn how to control quantum mechanics and use it for even larger objects. Do so -- and we might be able to warp to parallel universes just by manipulating a few electrons.

"Our concepts of cause and effect will fly out the window," says Ben Bova, the science fiction author. "People will -- for various reasons -- try to fix the past or escape into the future. But we may never notice these effects, if the universe actually diverges. Maybe somebody already has invented a time machine and our history is being constantly altered, but we don’t notice the kinks in our path through time."

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Time travel may be feasible.

It is for God. We aren't gods and never will be, so you might as well forget about time travel as a mere human.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-08   13:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

to age less than someone means you've jumped into the future

Wrong. It means you aged less, that's all. Slowing down the aging process in no way slows down time.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-08   13:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

who knew? bump

Lod  posted on  2010-04-08   13:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

It all comes down to how we understand time.

Or anything else.

Our understanding of the universe is basic at best and can only be defined in term of our understanding of mathematics.

1000 years from now, people will view us as we today view a caveman gazing at the stars wondering what they are.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-08   13:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Maybe somebody already has invented a time machine and our history is being constantly altered, but we don’t notice the kinks in our path through time."

Science fiction writers need to promote this stuff because their livelihood depends on rubes thinking such things might be possible.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-08   13:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

What does it all mean? Let's say you're in Oklahoma visiting your aunt. But in another universe, where your atomic particles just can't keep up, you're actually at home watching "The Simpsons." That may sound far-fetched, but it's based on real science.

Forget visiting AuntieM ... and also forget watching that horrid TV and any of the broadcasts that keep the human brain in mind-numbed condition similar to patients in a mental hospital.

Nope, all I want is to make mad passionate love in one state of being while creating wealth beyond my wildest dreams in the other. I guess I need two compasses of my own design so that they both lead back to me.

But where are the di-lithium crystals and the flux capacitors? I guess the government is hiding these valuable assets ... under the chemtrails but above the crop circles in another space and another time.

"Yes they have been experimenting on us for decades. The Chemtrails are just one aspect." -- Original_Intent, circa 2010-03-14 21:00:46 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-08   13:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: RickyJ (#1)

It is for God.

Don't worry, Odin told me we could do it.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-08   13:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

UC Santa Barbara's Andrew Cleland cooled that paddle in a refrigerator, dimmed the lights and, under a special bell jar, sucked out all the air to eliminate vibrations. He then plucked it like a tuning fork and noted that it moved and stood still at the same time.

That sounds contradictory, and it's nearly impossible to understand if your last name isn't Einstein. But it actually happened. It's a freaky fact that's at the heart of quantum mechanics.

Actually it is impossible. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your fantasies.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-08   14:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

"Our concepts of cause and effect will fly out the window," says Ben Bova, the science fiction author.

Ben Bova hates white people.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-08   14:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Flintlock (#7)

Don't worry, Odin told me we could do it.

Odin! Odin! Odin! Yahoo!!!

“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”

Turtle  posted on  2010-04-08   17:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Turtle (#10)

Odin! Odin! Odin! Yahoo!!!

Some heads will roll, and the mead will flow

Welcome to Valhalla!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-08   17:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Flintlock (#11)

Some heads will roll, and the mead will flow

The best thing in life is drinking mead from the skull of your greatest enemy!

“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”

Turtle  posted on  2010-04-08   17:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: RickyJ, gengis gandhi, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#1)

It is for God. We aren't gods and never will be, so you might as well forget about time travel as a mere human.

But we made in his image and are the body of Christ. Stretch your mind a little on that one.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-04-08   18:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Flintlock, gengis gandhi (#4)

"We ain't just anti-war, we anti-gravity" - Wayne Kramer(?)

That quote appears at the end of the song (thus the question mark, tried to track it down further) which starts with my favorite quote from old mayor Daley:

"The police are not here to create disorder. They are here to preserve disorder."

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-04-08   19:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Do so -- and we might be able to warp to parallel universes just by manipulating a few electrons.

Do so -- and we might be able to warp to parallel universes just by manipulating a few elections.

I think we've accomplished the mission !!! My universe is definitely different !

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-08   19:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#12)

The best thing in life is drinking mead from the skull of your greatest enemy!

I disagree.
The best thing in life is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Or lying naked in a hammock, watching the sunset over a forest lake, while drinking lemonade.

Tough to decide.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-04-08   20:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend (#13)

John 14:12 (King James Version)

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

you didn't really believe that fundamentalists actually believed everything in the bible, did you?

ricky should go back and tell jesus his preacher said all that stuff is impossible.

fundamentalists simply pick out the lines that support their belief in weakness and guilt, never, ever, ever anything exceptional.

they will take at literal, face value all other tracts in the bible, including original sin and a talking snake, but when the passage involves actual empowerment, they will never take that at literal meaning.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-08   20:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: gengis gandhi, Original_Intent, buckeroo, Armadillo (#17)

they will take at literal, face value all other tracts in the bible, including original sin and a talking snake, but when the passage involves actual empowerment, they will never take that at literal meaning.

I believe the Bible as I always have but my love of science forces me to incorporate string theory and M theory. When you consider the concept of 11 dimensions and multiple universes coupled with the idea that God created the universe well you have to expand your notions of what God is. Then when you add into that being created in his image, well it doesn't make me think God has two arms and two legs.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-04-08   22:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#15)

Article: Do so -- and we might be able to warp to parallel universes just by manipulating a few electrons.

noone22: Do so -- and we might be able to warp to parallel universes just by manipulating a few elections.

I think we've accomplished the mission !!! My universe is definitely different !

I'm still not sure whether to laugh or cry about that but I laughed so hard anyway that I cried.

Maybe the nouveau Hadron Collider is trying to move some electrons to help us. We can hope. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-04-09   1:18:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Time itself does not exist. It is a man made construct, a form of measurement.

We measure in clicks how fast a body in motion moves. The only thing that time is good for, is to measure the degradation of matter by radiation and gravity.

Time is not a force, it is not actually tangible, nor does it truly exist. It is impossible to travel through time.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-04-09   1:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#18)

you have to expand your notions of what God is.

"Amen" ... reductionists hold God back at every opportunity. The primary inhibitors are pulpit prostitutes that weary humanity with hypocrisy that prevents us from escaping the mundane and enjoying our own unlimited spiritual potential.

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-09   6:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)

Can't see gravity ... but it exists and prevents us from intentionally stepping off of tall buildings.

Can't see love ... but millions of women kiss their ugly, stinking, hubby when he gets home from work.

Can't see the air ... but try life without it Mr. Blue in da face !

Can't see time ... but take out your high school year book ... yikes !!!

Just kiddin Tommy !!!!

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-09   6:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#18)

i will say this.

if ever you want to cripple a child, tell him from the beginning that he is no good.

this abomination is the starting point for the judeo christian mythos.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-09   9:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222 (#21)

exactly.

and, like government, but govt. of the spirit, a marxist/socialist analogue, once you tell people they need some agency like a church or preacher or dogma to be able to connect, you have completely depowered them and made yourself a nice little job as a controller.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-09   9:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: gengis gandhi (#23)

if ever you want to cripple a child, tell him from the beginning that he is no good.

As in "Original Sin"?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-09   9:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#1) (Edited)

It is for God. We aren't gods and never will be, so you might as well forget about time travel as a mere human.

Idiot. You're the reason the entire Dark Ages happened in the first place. You have the reasoning capacity of a chrysanthemum, and yet you have the audacity to deride another poster for "fantasy"?

You who believe in the dead-Jewish-carpenter-turned zombie?

That would be hilarious if it wasn't just so fucking criminally stupid. My utter contempt for you literally has no boundaries. It's as vast as your ignorance and as fervent as your faith.

People like you should be kept in camps, truly.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-04-09   9:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Armadillo (#16)

Or lying naked in a hammock, watching the sunset over a forest lake, while drinking lemonade.

Well, as long as you're drinking it from the skull of your worst enemy.

“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”

Turtle  posted on  2010-04-09   11:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Flintlock (#25)

isn't original sin the same guilt trip formula the blacks try to use on whites to control their behavior regarding slavery?

some ancestor of yours is claimed to have committed some offense for which you have responsibility for and they have no proof of, and for this you and all your ancestors eternally will owe some debt that has no specific terms that can ever be met.....sort of a sociological/cosmic revolving debt/credit system.

original sin/slavery trip/debt based banking.

all the same god trippers who seek to control and enslave...some call it dark, some call it light, but the end is always the same.....you owe someone something and you owe it because they say so

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-09   12:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: gengis gandhi (#28)

isn't original sin the same guilt trip formula the blacks try to use on whites to control their behavior regarding slavery?

Looks like it to me

all the same god trippers who seek to control and enslave...some call it dark, some call it light, but the end is always the same.....you owe someone something and you owe it because they say so

Exactly .. I got over the last vestiges of any guilt I had left after reading Atlas Shrugged. Fortunately, I had gotten over 95% before reading it.

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-09   13:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: gengis gandhi (#28)

isn't original sin the same guilt trip formula the blacks try to use on whites to control their behavior regarding slavery?

isn't the holyhoax the same guilt trip formula the jews try to use on americans to control americans' behavior regarding israel?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-09   13:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: groundresonance (#30)

its like they're all in on the same scam!

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-04-09   14:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: gengis gandhi (#31) (Edited)

the hillbillies will win in the long run.

gonna be a certain amount of grief in the meantime, but hillbillies are good at grief.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-09   14:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#18)

I believe the Bible as I always have but my love of science forces me to incorporate string theory and M theory. When you consider the concept of 11 dimensions and multiple universes coupled with the idea that God created the universe well you have to expand your notions of what God is. Then when you add into that being created in his image, well it doesn't make me think God has two arms and two legs.

You've convinced me. God has two breasts.

neocon - Israel = "libertarian" anti-white

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-04-09   14:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: gengis gandhi (#31)

the south will fuck up again, but they're most likely to survive as humans.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-09   14:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Samuel Gray (#26)

You have the reasoning capacity of a chrysanthemum, and yet you have the audacity to deride another poster for "fantasy"?

You are a delusional fool defending a fantasy and you call me an idiot? You, little fool that you are, will bow before Jesus Christ right before he says depart from me if you continue as you are.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-09   14:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)

It is impossible to travel through time.

Of course it is, but nerds got have their fantasies to hold onto, what else do they have in their lives?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-09   14:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#33)

You've convinced me. God has two breasts

In a parallel universe He, She, It, or They have four.

“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”

Turtle  posted on  2010-04-09   15:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TommyTheMadArtist, RickyJ, ALL (#20) (Edited)

Time itself does not exist. It is a man made construct, a form of measurement.

We measure in clicks how fast a body in motion moves. The only thing that time is good for, is to measure the degradation of matter by radiation and gravity.

Time is not a force, it is not actually tangible, nor does it truly exist. It is impossible to travel through time.

Wrong, and you prove it by your very words.

Time is a factor in MANY Universal Laws, such as velocity for instance.

V = S/T, which means velocity = space(in terms of distance travelled)/ time

So to say that time doesn't exist is a fallacy, since if it didn't exist, there would be no such thing as motion.

Insofar as units of measurement, sure, energy itself is quantified in terms of time, where E (energy in Joules) = M (mass in kilograms) * C2 (speed of light in meters per second)squared.

However, the relationship is there, and is proven to be true by numerous experiments and real life applications.

You're partially right in that time is not a force, it is a progression of the flow of actions, and is directly proportional to velocity and distance. Thing is, ALL matter has motion, at minimum down to the atomic level, to where even a mountain has continuous motion in its subatomic particles as the mountain's electrons orbit their nuclei. That's not even including all the living matter that is continuously crawling, creeping, or scurrying about that live within or on that mountain.

So to say you can travel through time is to say you can somehow flow into a prior state of the universe, or to travel forward through it faster than what would occur normally.

It is already proven that time dilates when objects travel at high velocities, so they are effectively travelling forward through time as their time passes slower than what passes on Earth. So if you left the Earth and travelled close enough to the speed of light, it might take several days to get to the nearest star, Alpha Centuri, where 4.37 years would have passed on Earth.

Travelling forward IS then possible. It's the traveling backwards part that is harder to grasp, but theoretical physics DOES indicate that it IS also possible by utilizing regions of space/time that exist in the vicinity of ring singularities, ie. a rotating black hole.

Einstein is but one of the physicists who proved mathematically that such a thing is possible. Look up Kerr regions, Einstein-Rosenand bridges, and ring singularities if you want to know more.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-04-09   15:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: farmfriend (#18) (Edited)

When you consider the concept of 11 dimensions and multiple universes coupled with the idea that God created the universe well you have to expand your notions of what God is. Then when you add into that being created in his image, well it doesn't make me think God has two arms and two legs.

The true and correct interpretation of Genesis is that (God in plural form) created Mankind in THEIR own likeness. It was SPIRITUAL likeness, not physical, that was meant to be conveyed by those words. In reality, Nature is a reflection of God in that ALL creatures (and ALL life) are either masculine or feminine, or incorporate aspects of both in some species.

But that is just the physical likeness, the spritual likeness is that and more.

In fact, it might well be possible that EACH one of us, all those who EVER lived, and all those who will ever live, are part of what could be called God.

Our souls could well be connected at a higher plane which could be called Heaven. Heaven certainly isn't a location in the physical Universe.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-04-09   15:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: RickyJ (#35)

You are a delusional fool defending a fantasy and you call me an idiot?

Where is Heaven?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-04-09   15:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: FormerLurker (#39)

chemtrails, chupababras, abiotic oil, and god are manifestations of

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-09   15:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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