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Title: Studies show more evidence of water on moon, Mars
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URL Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-47638120100412
Published: Apr 13, 2010
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2010-04-13 02:42:24 by gengis gandhi
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Views: 322
Comments: 11

Studies show more evidence of water on moon, Mars Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:42am IST Email | Print | Share | Single Page [-] Text [+] WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Ice deposits at least 6 feet (2 metres) thick can be found in some small craters on the moon, researchers reported on Monday in one of two studies showing more evidence of water on the moon and Mars.

The second study suggested that ice has recently melted and re-frozen on Mars, widening some of the characteristic gullies on its surface.

The two studies add to the political and scientific debate about how best to explore our solar system and the universe -- with missions that include human crews, or experiments using robots and remote surveys.

The administration of President Barack Obama last month said it would cancel the Constellation program to return astronauts to the moon by 2020 after a review found the $108 billion program was underfunded and already off-track to meet most of its goals.

Obama's plan is to contract with private companies to do some of the work needed to investigate Mars, as well as asteroids, using robots, remote sensors and perhaps some astronauts.

In one of the two studies released on Monday, Paul Spudis of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston and colleagues analyzed measurements from India's Chandrayaan spacecraft to find evidence of thick ice deposits in some permanently shaded craters on the moon.

"As the moon has been bombarded with water-bearing objects such as comets and meteorites and implanted with solar wind hydrogen over geological time, some of this material must have made its way into these cold, dark areas," they wrote in Geophysical Research Letters.

They measure something called circular polarization ratio to show either the surface there is unusually rough, or there are between 6 and 10 feet (2 and 3 metres) of ice there.

The second study showed that 6-foot (2-metre) wide gully on Mars had become nearly 400 feet (120 metres) longer over two years. Continued...

Dennis Reiss of the Institute for Planetology at Westfalische Wilhelms- Universitat in Munster, Germany, and colleagues said the best explanation is the melting of small amounts of water ice.

Photographs show dark patches in the gully, as well as some smaller, new channels, they reported in the same journal. It may get warm enough at the surface to melt water on Mars, they added.

In September, several teams reported clear evidence of water, likely frozen, on the desert surfaces of both the moon and Mars and researchers have also seen it snow on Mars.

(Reporting by Maggie Fox; editing by Mohammad Zargham)

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   4:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

The administration of President Barack Obama last month said it would cancel the Constellation program to return astronauts to the moon by 2020 after a review found the $108 billion program was underfunded and already off-track to meet most of its goals.

Off track to meet its goals? They only have 10 years to do something they supposedly did in less time in the 1960s for the first time!

108 billion is underfunded? WTH!

Is this why NASA had to tape over the original high quality tapes from the moon because they are so darn poor! You have to be really stupid to think NASA has ever been underfunded.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-13   4:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

In September, several teams reported clear evidence of water, likely frozen, on the desert surfaces of both the moon and Mars and researchers have also seen it snow on Mars.

Snow? I bet they saw little green men too. Sucks they didn't take a picture.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-13   4:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Water on the brain is the big problem facing humanity.

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

Thomas Jefferson had NO REASON to make this statement -- So I did !!! Doug Scheidt /APRIL 1, 2010 / Year of the 2nd REVOLUTION.

noone222  posted on  2010-04-13   5:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

The methodology to look for water doesn't have a lot to do with photography. Apples and oranges.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-13   8:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   8:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

Yes, I realize that, but it costs money, lots of it no doubt. And my point is who cares if there's water on the moon or Mars. I mean do you really think it's relevant? IDK

I suspect that people interested in sending humans would care. Now that said, the chances of us getting off of this rock, at this point in history, are pretty close to nil. Governments are eating all of us from the inside out in ways that tyrants of past ages could only dream about. There's simply no economic way to get us to Mars now, privately or through government. Damn shame too, because the one place where freedom always has a foothold is on frontiers. Now there are no more frontiers left and they'll be damned if they let us off this rock to find more.

It can't possibly cost very much, relatively speaking of course, to send up an unmanned vehicle/orbiter, that would snap some shots of "where we were on the mooon," and return or transmit them back. Really, it's gotta be chump change for NASA and would put many theories to rest.

They probably don't give two shits, one way or the other, about "theories". That would explain it the easiest I'd think.

from the crude rocket technology that we supposedly sent men to the moon with, doncha think.

It wasn't that crude. In fact, the technology of the time seemed to address all the issues required to get off earth and into space pretty well. Rockets are utterly simple. Life support, well, we had that worked out with submarines. Radiation shielding, not terribly complex once you know what to shield against. It is not some kind of Herculean task of unimaginable scale that is beyond the grasp of mankind. But it certainly wasn't crude, it was quite elegant in its simplicity (in my view).

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-13   8:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   8:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

Again, I think you kinda leap-frogged my point. We said the same thing about the moon, which is obviously much closer, and to which "we've been before." Yet, all of a sudden, once technology went exponential, our desire (and need) seems to have vaporized. Why.

Why does any government boondoggle fizzle? Who knows? Looking for reason and logic in government decisions is like looking for ice on the sun. They don't act rationally, pretty much 100% of the time. No large organization tends to act rationally if you ask me. I mean, goodness, Gilligan's Island was canceled while it held the number 1 spot in ratings. WTF?

In this day and age of cynicism and anger towards Government particularly, they should. I guess they figure it's already under control and in the Win column for them. Poor assumption?

I really don't think that the "haven't been there" crowd is that big of a percentage for them to even bother to give the thought a sidelong glance. No offense, but if you have a very very very small chirping minority that don't even raise to the level of credible with Ma and Pa down at the corner store, you're pretty much safe to assume (as a government) that you can ignore that minority with impunity.

Contrasted with what exists today it was crude.

Not really, no. Most technology today that we use in most things is little more than bells and whistles laden 19th century tech. Computers and nano/nuclear/laser to the contrary of course. The rest, especially things like rockets and hostile environment life support, are old old ideas with centuries of practice and implementation behind them.

The radiation shielding was a joke, I think literally a joke.

If it was a joke the electronics in satellites that have been floating overhead for decades would have shorted out after launch. Electronics are far more sensitive to this kind of thing than we are (short term I mean, long term life forms take it in the shorts from cancer). I suspect that we both agree that there are satellites overhead, many of them quite old.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-13   9:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SonOfLiberty (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   9:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SonOfLiberty (#7)

They probably don't give two shits, one way or the other, about "theories". That would explain it the easiest I'd think.

Oh, those bastards care alright. If too many people think they are nothing but a con they lose their funding. They care, but there isn't much they can do about it since they never went expect to say the dog ate my homework when someone requested the original tapes in a FOIA. They are a bunch of bumbling fools that like to live off of taxpayers and have parties.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-04-14   0:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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