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Title: Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov. elections
Source: Examiner
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Con ... soil-just-before-Nov-elections
Published: Apr 13, 2010
Author: Anthony G. Martin
Post Date: 2010-04-13 18:08:37 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 1866
Comments: 152

Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov. elections April 13, 5:16 PMC Conservative Examiner Anthony G. Martin

n October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as 'Consequence Management Response Force' will be ready for deployment on American soil if so ordered by the President.

(AP Photo/David Longstreath).

The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.

According to the Army Times,

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. The key phrase is 'may be called upon to help with civil unrest.'

This afternoon a local radio talk show host reported that he had been in contact with a member of the military. This military source stated that the armed forces have been alerted to the strong possibility that civil unrest may occur in the United States this summer, prior to the midterm elections of 2010.

The source described this as 'our long, hot summer of discontent' that could be eerily reminiscent of the summer of 1968 when riots broke out in many of our largest cities.

However, the summer of 2010 could well be much worse due to the players involved. In 1968 the major players were war protesters. This time, the outrage simmering beneath the surface of American society involves a broad cross-section of the heartland, and most of them are heavily armed.

It is highly unlikely that these citizens would ever initiate armed conflict of any kind. In their view, gun rights are for self-defense--and for defense against tyrannical government, which our Founders regarded as the most dangerous force on earth.

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

Tea Party members, for example, have been warned in recent days that members of Andy Stern's SEIU union and members of the organization formerly known as ACORN plan to infiltrate Tea Party gatherings in order to incite some sort of incident that could result in armed conflict.

In addition, all indications point to a humiliating defeat for the Democrats and Obama in November. Not only will the House in all likelihood transfer to Republican control, but it is increasingly possible for the Democrats to lose the Senate as well.

And there are Leftwing groups in this country that would use whatever means necessary to prevent that from happening.

ACORN has already gone underground, changing its name so as to fly beneath the radar screen. How many people will the group register to vote illegally?

And with Obama's plan to naturalize between 10 and 20 million illegal aliens, a brand new voter base for the Democrats will be in place prior to November.

Add to this the growing unrest over continued high unemployment, the coming spike in interest rates and inflation, and the still-boiling outrage over the manner in which Obama and the Democrats shoved ObamaCare down the throats of the citizens, and all of the ingredients are present for a major F-5 tornado to sweep across the heartland.

To what extent would soldiers use deadly force during such 'civil unrest' should the Consequence Management Response Team be utilized? During the anti-war riots of the 1960s they killed student protesters. What about now?

The military source cited by the radio host today was asked this very question. He would merely say that the culture of the U.S. military is changing--half support Obama and the other half are dead-set against him.

His conclusion? There is no way to know for sure if they would obey an order to open fire on ordinary citizens.

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#1. To: All, Eric Stratton, Jeff D, Lod, FA Hayek Fan, Mudboy Slim, Christine, Farmfriend, Original_Intent, wudidiz, PaulCJ, buckaroo (#0)

Hmmmmmmmmm.......what do you all think of this?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   18:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#0)

What do you think, Cyni?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   18:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#1)

Hmmmmmmmmm.......what do you all think of this?

The first thing I ask myself is exactly what are they planning that they expect citizens to act in a manner that would require troops to be deployed. As for the question of whether or not soldiers will fire on American citizens, my opinion is yes, they will fire on us in a New York minute.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-04-13   18:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: abraxas (#0)

o what extent would soldiers use deadly force during such 'civil unrest' should the Consequence Management Response Team be utilized? During the anti-war riots of the 1960s they killed student protesters. What about now?

The military source cited by the radio host today was asked this very question. He would merely say that the culture of the U.S. military is changing--half support Obama and the other half are dead-set against him.

His conclusion? There is no way to know for sure if they would obey an order to open fire on ordinary citizens.

It's silly and downright unpatriotic and very racist [ did I forget anything on the list?] to harbor and promote such outrageous scenarios.

This army force would only be deployed for own good, to defend us grass eaters from foreigner bad guys, right?

Here's some delicious punch flavored kool-aid to calm your little rube self down. I got the recipe from either a Nester or a Kossack, I can't keep them straight. Burp.

Postscript: for further reading, cast your eyes on this:

armedservices.house.gov/p...nuart_Testimony072809.pdf

scrapper2  posted on  2010-04-13   18:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas, move along little sheeple (#1)

Nothing here......move along.......they are us.....our friends.......has the US military ever turned on American citizens before?????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   18:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#0) (Edited)

The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction- Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 army times

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and who is the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade when it's at home?

The 82d Aviation Brigade employed 132 AH-1 Cobra, OH-58 Scout, AH- 64 Apache, and UH-60 Blackhawk aircraft, approximately 325 ground vehicles, and 1,300 troopers.

It represents the eyes and ears of the Division, much of the Division's tactical mobility, and a large measure of the Division's firepower. In 1993 the last of the AH-1s were phased out, leaving the Brigade with only the other 3 aircraft types in inventory.

Elements of the reorganized and redesignated 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade deployed to Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in late 2006 before returning to Fort Bragg.

In 2007 elemenets of the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan.

82nd Combat Aviation Brigade "Too Easy!" globalsecurity.org

well, it's nice to know these guys ought to be competent... practice makes perfect

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   18:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)

I'm asking myself the same thing......you don't have 80K troops on hand for a just in case scenario or a natural disaster. You have them ready when you the S is about to hit the fan. This reminds me of FEMA setting up shop on Sept. 10, 2001, among other coincidences.

They skirted the Posse Comm Act by claiming the troops are in place for disaster prevention, not as a military force, but I'm not smoking what they are rollin'.

I don't know about that last question. I'd like to think not......but it's not as if I'm overbrimming with hope.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   18:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Thanks for that PS scrapper.........

I'm beginning to smell smoke......no not your average idiot throwing a cig out the window or kiddies playing with matches, it has a Reichstag aroma to it.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   18:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#1)

Hmmmmmmmmm.......what do you all think of this?

Someone is going to light the fire and it is not going to be pretty.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-13   18:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PaulCJ (#9) (Edited)

light the fire and it is not going to be pretty

it's been a long time coming, hasnt it?

and now, in all the confusion, the zionist rats that started this bullshit ought to be able to scurry off to safety.

good deal

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   18:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: abraxas (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   18:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#11) (Edited)

look for "a good reason" for the FedGov to clamp down

it's essential that america be held together long enough that israel can complete its ethnic cleansing of the high ground in the west bank, as america subsidizes and protects israel.

if america has to be held together by force of arms, so be it.

meanwhile, the really big boys, the looters, can scurry off to safety, seeing as how they never bought into the zionist project in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   19:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#0) (Edited)

Is the takeover of America coming?

Free Press International
4.9.2010
By Greg Ericson

United States Congressman, Jim McDermott addressed his concerns in 2003 SOURCE http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

Here is a transcript of his speech.

MARTIAL LAW CONCERNS House of Representatives – March 11, 2003

Madam Speaker, I come to the House floor tonight to talk about an issue which I think is of grave concern to this country.

I recently read an article published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald entitled Foundations Are in Place for Martial Law in the United States.

The author is a man named Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, and he said that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When President Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua, he issued a series of executive orders which provided FEMA with broad powers in the event of a crisis, such as the violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a U.S. military invasion abroad. They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a U.S. invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President Bush’s domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment in the future.

On the 20th of July, the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled “Arabs in U.S. Could Be Held, Official Warns.” The story referred to a member of the Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practiced for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling U.S. domestic unrest.

From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on the 5th of July, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director’s, Louis Guiffrida’s, deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The planning was said to be similar to one Mr. Guiffrida had developed earlier to combat a national uprising by black militants. It provided for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps. Today, Mr. Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the U.S. military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr. Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this. He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied. The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on under Mr. Guiffrida was approved by Reagan and actions were taken to implement it.

By April, the U.S. military had created a Northern Command to aid homeland security. Reuters reported that the command is mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities. However, Mr. Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of U.S. law regarding the use of military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, and it just really should disturb people, the full facts and contents of Mr. Reagan’s national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan Presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then-Attorney General, William French Smith, a Republican, wrote to the National Security Adviser, Robert McFarlane: “I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised executive order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness. This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an emergency czar role for FEMA.”

Criticism of the Bush administration’s response to September 11 echoes Mr. Smith’s warning. On June 7 of last year, the former Presidential counsel, John Dean, spoke of America sliding into a, quote, “constitutional dictatorship,” close quote, and martial law.

The reason I raise this issue is that I come from a State where in 1941 under executive order by the President, 9661, we rounded up all the Japanese Americans in this country and put them in concentration camps. We have set in place the mechanism to do that again and we must not, we cannot sacrifice the Constitution in this rush to war that we are doing in Iraq.

Below is a video of former President Bush Jr. expressing if there is a major crisis, do we not quarantine parts of America?

In this video, Congressman Peter DeFazio states Congress and the Homeland Security Committee were denied access to the continuity of government plan.

Below is a video of Congressmen Brad Sherman speaking of martial law.

As Bush Jr. was leaving office, the White House prepared more than a dozen contingency plans to help guide President-elect Barack Obama if an international crisis were to erupt. SOURCE ……………………………………………………………………….

ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SOURCE http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

Doomsday: U.S. report warns of ’strategic shock’ leading to massive unrest

WASHINGTON — The United States could be sleep-walking into its next crisis, a military report said.

The report by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, said that a defense community paralyzed by conventional thinking could be unprepared to help the United States cope with a series of unexpected crises that would rival the Al Qaida strikes in 2001, termed a “strategic shock.”

The report cited the prospect of the collapse of a nuclear state leading to massive unrest in the United States, Middle East Newsline reported.

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” the report, authored by [Ret.] Lt. Col. Nathan Freir, said.

“Deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction or other catastrophic capabilities, unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters are all paths to disruptive domestic shock.”

Titled “Known Unknowns: Unconventional Strategic Shocks in Defense Strategy Development,” the report warned that the U.S. military and intelligence community remain mired in the past as well as the need to accommodate government policy. Freier, a former Pentagon official, said that despite the Al Qaida surprise in 2001 U.S. defense strategy and planning remain trapped by “excessive convention.”

“The current administration confronted a game-changing ’strategic shock’ inside its first eight months in office,” the report said. “The next administration would be well-advised to expect the same during the course of its first term. Indeed, the odds are very high against any of the challenges routinely at the top of the traditional defense agenda triggering the next watershed inside DoD [Department of Defense].”

The report cited the collapse of what Freier termed “a large capable state that results in a nuclear civil war.” Such a prospect could lead to uncontrolled weapons of mass destruction proliferation as well as a nuclear war.

The report cited the prospect of a breakdown of order in the United States. Freier said the Pentagon could be suddenly forced to recall troops from abroad to fight domestic unrest.

“An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,” the report said.

The report said the United States could also come under pressure from a hostile state with control over insurgency groups. The hostile state could force American decision-makers into a desperate response.

“The United States might also consider the prospect that hostile state and/or nonstate actors might individually or in concert combine hybrid methods effectively to resist U.S. influence in a nonmilitary manner,” the report said. “This is clearly an emerging trend.”

“The aforementioned are admittedly extreme,” the report said. “They are not, however, implausible or fantastical.” Source http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/ss_military0790_12_15.asp

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-04-13   19:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas, F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   19:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

So look for "a good reason" for the FedGov to clamp down, meaning one that most people will buy, meaning that like 9/11, it must be a perceived threat, not necessarily a real one, and it won't be truthful which goes without saying at this stage of the game, and one that threatens harm to most if not all Americans such that they're willing to trade away the farm simply for protection from whatever the threat is

Like today, for instance, when Obama is waring of Al Queda nuking the US? Or the newsflash from that ol' reliable Debka (eyes rolling) about if Iran is hit several US citiies will be hit. Or all this fuss about these homegrown radicals......these tea party types with their second amendment and "racist" agenda. So many ways that the MSM is making speculation without covering anything or offering ANY data to actually SUBSTANTIATE claims. Big clue right there I say.

I'd be interested in knowing the dispersement agenda for the 80K troops--all in one place or in several key locations?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   19:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: abraxas (#0)

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

I can see that happening.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-04-13   19:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#0)

Congratulations Obama voters, you succeeded in destroying Posse Comitatus.

That's change!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-13   20:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#16)

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

I went pee in my back yard a few days ago because my bathroom smelled like drain cleaner. Think we can bring Dow Chemical into this argument on our side?

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-04-13   20:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

Boy, that guy Boatner sure is full O shit, isn't he!

He's a low life, POS, anti-American. I don't care what uniform he wears.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   20:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton, all (#22)

He is a POS anti-liberty American, and there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions just like him in the military and LE.

Yes he is, and guess what? His Hessian's will point their guns where there told, when there told. See Kent State, the Bonus Baby March, Waco and New Orleans post Katrina. The men who understand the Constitution are in Oath Keepers and other groups and deserve our support. These punks are punks. Those who still live in Oz will see our wonderful troops and their well honed brutality shortly.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   20:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Remember, weapons change hands.

Good point........I'm just thinking 80K is a small force even to control a major city, although they did quite a job of disarming citizens during Katrina.

I wasn't thinking 20 states, more like a half dozen or less cities. With the way Obummer is talking, folks should be on the look out for multiple targets.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   20:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#27)

Good point........I'm just thinking 80K is a small force even to control a major city, although they did quite a job of disarming citizens during Katrina.

Keep in mind, most of the citizens of New Orleans evacuated before that Hurricane hit that city.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-13   20:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas (#27) (Edited)

a half dozen or less cities

it could be that we havent been terrorized enough by the apache videos, so they'll have to do a couple well-photographed examples here in the states to scare the hardcore resisters into submission...

and that's just the beginning, if we're to take israeli treatment of palestinians as a preview... not to mention soviet treatment of dissidents, using family members as hostages to ensure politically reliable behavior.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   20:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: abraxas (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)

"As for the question of whether or not soldiers will fire on American citizens, my opinion is yes, they will fire on us in a New York minute."

We were ready to in '68. I had returned from the Orient and stepped into Riot Control training at Ft. Hood. The Drilling was unrelenting, until I got onto the Pistol Team.

But I can assure everyone that the average joe the G.I. Will fire when ordered.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-04-13   21:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eric Stratton (#30)

The citizens were caught w/ their pants down and didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen when the man made shit starts.

you got any family? ...what if NSA has you earmarked already as a potential troublemaker? ...are you gonna fight back if you get locked up and interrogated for a few days, during which you are assured that your family will be tortured if you dont behave yourself?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#30)

So you're thinking false flag FedGov ops in two/three areas?

Yep, I'm thinking a veritble three ring circus.......diversion is to their benefit, especially afer 911 where the event is still getting scrutinized. To attain the level of control that they seek it has to be another massive scenario, which makes me think it will be multiple. Also, this will happen while diverting some major economic crisis--easier to do with coverage spanning from one place to another.

Note that on 911, there was coverage at four locations, keeping the MSM and the people glued to the tube. Made it real easy to ignore those reports on 9-10 about 2 trillion missing from the Pentegon. Plus, the news is already laying the ground work for what to expect with their unsubstantiated reports about "what if" and the unsubstantiated plans of Al Queda........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

PS Oathkeepers isn't nearly big enough, what, like 3% of the forces?

Probably, but I'll take it. I have never felt stronger that the US military will be used by O to suppress the American people as deemed necessary. Today's volunteer would have trouble spelling Constitution, never mind keeping their oath to it. Like every other institution, it's been debased, corrupted and filled with incompetents.

Audie Murphy is long dead.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   21:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#32) (Edited)

The citizens were caught w/ their pants down and didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen when the man made shit starts.

of course, the most heroic and public advocates of violent resistance are the people who are most likely to have some form of immunity, arent they?

and who will be able to grant them immunity?

which is why i'm so suspicious of the heroes on this forum.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Here's some delicious punch flavored kool-aid to calm your little rube self down. I got the recipe from either a Nester or a Kossack, I can't keep them straight. Burp.

;P

christine  posted on  2010-04-13   21:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: All (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

well, there's your heroism... notice how many people swarmed to your rescue.

zero.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ndcorup (#31)

We were ready to in '68. I had returned from the Orient and stepped into Riot Control training at Ft. Hood. The Drilling was unrelenting, until I got onto the Pistol Team.

But I can assure everyone that the average joe the G.I. Will fire when ordered.

GI's are going to do a whole lot of killing before the rank-in-file begin to question what they are doing and even more killing before they start going AWOL.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-04-13   21:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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