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Title: Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov. elections
Source: Examiner
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Con ... soil-just-before-Nov-elections
Published: Apr 13, 2010
Author: Anthony G. Martin
Post Date: 2010-04-13 18:08:37 by abraxas
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Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov. elections April 13, 5:16 PMC Conservative Examiner Anthony G. Martin

n October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as 'Consequence Management Response Force' will be ready for deployment on American soil if so ordered by the President.

(AP Photo/David Longstreath).

The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.

According to the Army Times,

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack. The key phrase is 'may be called upon to help with civil unrest.'

This afternoon a local radio talk show host reported that he had been in contact with a member of the military. This military source stated that the armed forces have been alerted to the strong possibility that civil unrest may occur in the United States this summer, prior to the midterm elections of 2010.

The source described this as 'our long, hot summer of discontent' that could be eerily reminiscent of the summer of 1968 when riots broke out in many of our largest cities.

However, the summer of 2010 could well be much worse due to the players involved. In 1968 the major players were war protesters. This time, the outrage simmering beneath the surface of American society involves a broad cross-section of the heartland, and most of them are heavily armed.

It is highly unlikely that these citizens would ever initiate armed conflict of any kind. In their view, gun rights are for self-defense--and for defense against tyrannical government, which our Founders regarded as the most dangerous force on earth.

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

Tea Party members, for example, have been warned in recent days that members of Andy Stern's SEIU union and members of the organization formerly known as ACORN plan to infiltrate Tea Party gatherings in order to incite some sort of incident that could result in armed conflict.

In addition, all indications point to a humiliating defeat for the Democrats and Obama in November. Not only will the House in all likelihood transfer to Republican control, but it is increasingly possible for the Democrats to lose the Senate as well.

And there are Leftwing groups in this country that would use whatever means necessary to prevent that from happening.

ACORN has already gone underground, changing its name so as to fly beneath the radar screen. How many people will the group register to vote illegally?

And with Obama's plan to naturalize between 10 and 20 million illegal aliens, a brand new voter base for the Democrats will be in place prior to November.

Add to this the growing unrest over continued high unemployment, the coming spike in interest rates and inflation, and the still-boiling outrage over the manner in which Obama and the Democrats shoved ObamaCare down the throats of the citizens, and all of the ingredients are present for a major F-5 tornado to sweep across the heartland.

To what extent would soldiers use deadly force during such 'civil unrest' should the Consequence Management Response Team be utilized? During the anti-war riots of the 1960s they killed student protesters. What about now?

The military source cited by the radio host today was asked this very question. He would merely say that the culture of the U.S. military is changing--half support Obama and the other half are dead-set against him.

His conclusion? There is no way to know for sure if they would obey an order to open fire on ordinary citizens.

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Is the takeover of America coming?

Free Press International
4.9.2010
By Greg Ericson

United States Congressman, Jim McDermott addressed his concerns in 2003 SOURCE http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

Here is a transcript of his speech.

MARTIAL LAW CONCERNS House of Representatives – March 11, 2003

Madam Speaker, I come to the House floor tonight to talk about an issue which I think is of grave concern to this country.

I recently read an article published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald entitled Foundations Are in Place for Martial Law in the United States.

The author is a man named Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, and he said that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

When President Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua, he issued a series of executive orders which provided FEMA with broad powers in the event of a crisis, such as the violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a U.S. military invasion abroad. They were never used.

But with the looming possibility of a U.S. invasion of Iraq, recent pronouncements by President Bush’s domestic security chief, Tom Ridge, and an official with the Civil Rights Commission should fire concerns that these powers could be employed or a de facto drift into their deployment in the future.

On the 20th of July, the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled “Arabs in U.S. Could Be Held, Official Warns.” The story referred to a member of the Civil Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab Americans. FEMA has practiced for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling U.S. domestic unrest.

From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on the 5th of July, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director’s, Louis Guiffrida’s, deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The planning was said to be similar to one Mr. Guiffrida had developed earlier to combat a national uprising by black militants. It provided for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps. Today, Mr. Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the U.S. military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr. Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this. He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied. The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on under Mr. Guiffrida was approved by Reagan and actions were taken to implement it.

By April, the U.S. military had created a Northern Command to aid homeland security. Reuters reported that the command is mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities. However, Mr. Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of U.S. law regarding the use of military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, and it just really should disturb people, the full facts and contents of Mr. Reagan’s national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan Presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then-Attorney General, William French Smith, a Republican, wrote to the National Security Adviser, Robert McFarlane: “I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised executive order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness. This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an emergency czar role for FEMA.”

Criticism of the Bush administration’s response to September 11 echoes Mr. Smith’s warning. On June 7 of last year, the former Presidential counsel, John Dean, spoke of America sliding into a, quote, “constitutional dictatorship,” close quote, and martial law.

The reason I raise this issue is that I come from a State where in 1941 under executive order by the President, 9661, we rounded up all the Japanese Americans in this country and put them in concentration camps. We have set in place the mechanism to do that again and we must not, we cannot sacrifice the Constitution in this rush to war that we are doing in Iraq.

Below is a video of former President Bush Jr. expressing if there is a major crisis, do we not quarantine parts of America?

In this video, Congressman Peter DeFazio states Congress and the Homeland Security Committee were denied access to the continuity of government plan.

Below is a video of Congressmen Brad Sherman speaking of martial law.

As Bush Jr. was leaving office, the White House prepared more than a dozen contingency plans to help guide President-elect Barack Obama if an international crisis were to erupt. SOURCE ……………………………………………………………………….

ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SOURCE http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

Doomsday: U.S. report warns of ’strategic shock’ leading to massive unrest

WASHINGTON — The United States could be sleep-walking into its next crisis, a military report said.

The report by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, said that a defense community paralyzed by conventional thinking could be unprepared to help the United States cope with a series of unexpected crises that would rival the Al Qaida strikes in 2001, termed a “strategic shock.”

The report cited the prospect of the collapse of a nuclear state leading to massive unrest in the United States, Middle East Newsline reported.

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” the report, authored by [Ret.] Lt. Col. Nathan Freir, said.

“Deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction or other catastrophic capabilities, unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters are all paths to disruptive domestic shock.”

Titled “Known Unknowns: Unconventional Strategic Shocks in Defense Strategy Development,” the report warned that the U.S. military and intelligence community remain mired in the past as well as the need to accommodate government policy. Freier, a former Pentagon official, said that despite the Al Qaida surprise in 2001 U.S. defense strategy and planning remain trapped by “excessive convention.”

“The current administration confronted a game-changing ’strategic shock’ inside its first eight months in office,” the report said. “The next administration would be well-advised to expect the same during the course of its first term. Indeed, the odds are very high against any of the challenges routinely at the top of the traditional defense agenda triggering the next watershed inside DoD [Department of Defense].”

The report cited the collapse of what Freier termed “a large capable state that results in a nuclear civil war.” Such a prospect could lead to uncontrolled weapons of mass destruction proliferation as well as a nuclear war.

The report cited the prospect of a breakdown of order in the United States. Freier said the Pentagon could be suddenly forced to recall troops from abroad to fight domestic unrest.

“An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,” the report said.

The report said the United States could also come under pressure from a hostile state with control over insurgency groups. The hostile state could force American decision-makers into a desperate response.

“The United States might also consider the prospect that hostile state and/or nonstate actors might individually or in concert combine hybrid methods effectively to resist U.S. influence in a nonmilitary manner,” the report said. “This is clearly an emerging trend.”

“The aforementioned are admittedly extreme,” the report said. “They are not, however, implausible or fantastical.” Source http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/ss_military0790_12_15.asp

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-04-13   19:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   19:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So look for "a good reason" for the FedGov to clamp down, meaning one that most people will buy, meaning that like 9/11, it must be a perceived threat, not necessarily a real one, and it won't be truthful which goes without saying at this stage of the game, and one that threatens harm to most if not all Americans such that they're willing to trade away the farm simply for protection from whatever the threat is

Like today, for instance, when Obama is waring of Al Queda nuking the US? Or the newsflash from that ol' reliable Debka (eyes rolling) about if Iran is hit several US citiies will be hit. Or all this fuss about these homegrown radicals......these tea party types with their second amendment and "racist" agenda. So many ways that the MSM is making speculation without covering anything or offering ANY data to actually SUBSTANTIATE claims. Big clue right there I say.

I'd be interested in knowing the dispersement agenda for the 80K troops--all in one place or in several key locations?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   19:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

I can see that happening.

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-04-13   19:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Congratulations Obama voters, you succeeded in destroying Posse Comitatus.

That's change!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-04-13   20:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, it has become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an 'incident' that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens' guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it is deemed 'safe' to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

I went pee in my back yard a few days ago because my bathroom smelled like drain cleaner. Think we can bring Dow Chemical into this argument on our side?

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-04-13   20:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Boy, that guy Boatner sure is full O shit, isn't he!

He's a low life, POS, anti-American. I don't care what uniform he wears.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   20:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He is a POS anti-liberty American, and there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions just like him in the military and LE.

Yes he is, and guess what? His Hessian's will point their guns where there told, when there told. See Kent State, the Bonus Baby March, Waco and New Orleans post Katrina. The men who understand the Constitution are in Oath Keepers and other groups and deserve our support. These punks are punks. Those who still live in Oz will see our wonderful troops and their well honed brutality shortly.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   20:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Remember, weapons change hands.

Good point........I'm just thinking 80K is a small force even to control a major city, although they did quite a job of disarming citizens during Katrina.

I wasn't thinking 20 states, more like a half dozen or less cities. With the way Obummer is talking, folks should be on the look out for multiple targets.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   20:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good point........I'm just thinking 80K is a small force even to control a major city, although they did quite a job of disarming citizens during Katrina.

Keep in mind, most of the citizens of New Orleans evacuated before that Hurricane hit that city.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-04-13   20:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

a half dozen or less cities

it could be that we havent been terrorized enough by the apache videos, so they'll have to do a couple well-photographed examples here in the states to scare the hardcore resisters into submission...

and that's just the beginning, if we're to take israeli treatment of palestinians as a preview... not to mention soviet treatment of dissidents, using family members as hostages to ensure politically reliable behavior.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   20:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   20:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"As for the question of whether or not soldiers will fire on American citizens, my opinion is yes, they will fire on us in a New York minute."

We were ready to in '68. I had returned from the Orient and stepped into Riot Control training at Ft. Hood. The Drilling was unrelenting, until I got onto the Pistol Team.

But I can assure everyone that the average joe the G.I. Will fire when ordered.

ndcorup  posted on  2010-04-13   21:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The citizens were caught w/ their pants down and didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen when the man made shit starts.

you got any family? ...what if NSA has you earmarked already as a potential troublemaker? ...are you gonna fight back if you get locked up and interrogated for a few days, during which you are assured that your family will be tortured if you dont behave yourself?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're thinking false flag FedGov ops in two/three areas?

Yep, I'm thinking a veritble three ring circus.......diversion is to their benefit, especially afer 911 where the event is still getting scrutinized. To attain the level of control that they seek it has to be another massive scenario, which makes me think it will be multiple. Also, this will happen while diverting some major economic crisis--easier to do with coverage spanning from one place to another.

Note that on 911, there was coverage at four locations, keeping the MSM and the people glued to the tube. Made it real easy to ignore those reports on 9-10 about 2 trillion missing from the Pentegon. Plus, the news is already laying the ground work for what to expect with their unsubstantiated reports about "what if" and the unsubstantiated plans of Al Queda........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-04-13   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PS Oathkeepers isn't nearly big enough, what, like 3% of the forces?

Probably, but I'll take it. I have never felt stronger that the US military will be used by O to suppress the American people as deemed necessary. Today's volunteer would have trouble spelling Constitution, never mind keeping their oath to it. Like every other institution, it's been debased, corrupted and filled with incompetents.

Audie Murphy is long dead.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   21:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The citizens were caught w/ their pants down and didn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen when the man made shit starts.

of course, the most heroic and public advocates of violent resistance are the people who are most likely to have some form of immunity, arent they?

and who will be able to grant them immunity?

which is why i'm so suspicious of the heroes on this forum.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's some delicious punch flavored kool-aid to calm your little rube self down. I got the recipe from either a Nester or a Kossack, I can't keep them straight. Burp.

;P

christine  posted on  2010-04-13   21:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

well, there's your heroism... notice how many people swarmed to your rescue.

zero.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We were ready to in '68. I had returned from the Orient and stepped into Riot Control training at Ft. Hood. The Drilling was unrelenting, until I got onto the Pistol Team.

But I can assure everyone that the average joe the G.I. Will fire when ordered.

GI's are going to do a whole lot of killing before the rank-in-file begin to question what they are doing and even more killing before they start going AWOL.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-04-13   21:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Three pigs?

It looked like eight to ten of them getting in their licks.

Am I wrong, and need new cheaters?

Lod  posted on  2010-04-13   21:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They call it "wilding" when the other side does it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   21:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But I can assure everyone that the average joe the G.I. Will fire when ordered.

Well after all, an order is an order.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-13   21:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so what are you gonna do about it, hero?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   21:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   21:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.thenewamerican.com/in...regarding-posse-comitatus

Barack Obama Continues Bush Administration Policy Regarding Posse Comitatus

It has been just over one year since the U.S. Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team was being placed under the direct control of the US Army Northern Command (NORTHCOM), and was being indefinitely reassigned as an “on-call federal response force” for emergencies of all sorts, natural and man-made, including terrorist attacks, within NORTHCOM's area of responsibility — the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

Although the assignation went mostly unheralded at the time, it marked the first time in the history of the United States that an active unit of the regular Army was placed under the immediate and exclusive command of NORTHCOM.

The number of uniformed soldiers assigned to this duty continues to increase annually and the force is estimated to reach a strength of 20,000 by the year 2011. This massive force will all be trained and equipped to “subdue unruly or dangerous individuals” and “help with civil unrest and crowd control.” As usual, these directives are vague and could be applied to any number of scenarios. Furthermore, the critical question to be asked in light of such an arrangement is who will decide who is unruly or dangerous? Whoever is appointed the arbiter of such things will of necessity be feared as he will have 20,000 troops on alert and ready to quell these civil disturbances.

This unconstitutional use of American military forces within the United States is back in the news as reports have recently been released reviewing the progress the team has made in training with other federal, state, and local peace officers and agencies. Constitutionalists will find these maneuvers worrisome as they are gross violations of the black letter and the spirit of the Posse Comitatus Act.

Posse Comitatus (18 USC § 1385) was a law passed in 1878 in response to the abuse of citizens by federal troops occupying the states of the former Confederacy during the period known as Reconstruction. In exchange for their votes in favor of the presidency of Rutherford B. Hayes, Southern Senators received the support of Republican Senators for the Posse Comitatus Act requiring federal troops to withdraw from southern garrisons, thus ending Reconstruction.

President Barack Obama marches on headlong, bent on disregarding this act and the applicable provisions of the Constitution in order to continue training the United States military to participate in purposefully undefined “emergency” situations within the borders of the United States. Recently he and Congress received an analysis of how well this unlawful cooperation between state and national government is progressing. By all accounts, NORTHCOM is withholding some critical information regarding the activities of this force. When it does release the required information, it does so slowly and clumsily.

In its defense, NORTHCOM commanders claim that the inconsistencies, mistakes, and delays are due to the difficulty they face in coordinating these exercises with the various states. In typical governmental “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile” fashion, NORTHCOM is complaining that unless they are given greater and tighter control over the state agencies and the armed forces with whom they are tasked with training that they will be unable to guarantee operational success, and it may in fact detrimentally impact the team’s ability to provide the services they have been ordered to provide. Unfortunately, NORTHCOM is training with numerous state and local forces. To date, more than 19 federal agencies and 17 states have participated in one or more of the seven “homeland security” exercises that NORTHCOM has conducted since 2005.

Not surprisingly, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has examined NORTHCOM’s reports and agrees with the command’s assessment of the provenance of the difficulties they are encountering in the present arrangement, and they have accordingly suggested that states relinquish administration of their forces and agencies and cede management and command to NORTHCOM. There is fear among those zealous of the Constitution's prohibition of commingling of federal and state forces that Democratic governors and legislators may tamely acquiesce to President Obama's desires and thereby further debilitate the strength and sanctity of state sovereignty, the foundational principle of federalism, and the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution that protects it.

Reassuringly, there are those raising the warning voice regarding the training and quartering of federal troops on American soil for the purpose of law enforcement and controlling potential civil unrest, especially given the wide berth extant in such vague terms in the legislation that ostensibly restricts the sphere of the army’s power. Some opponents of the Obama administration’s ongoing and little-publicized violation of the Posse Comitatus Act see the entire set up as a behind-the-scenes deal between President Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who curiously retained his post after his previous employer left office. “While Obama and his team are making it sound as if they will use the military in a non-combative roll, part of the training being conducted is in urban warfare,” warned Mike Baker, a political strategist. He continued, “Obama appears oblivious to Posse Comitatus and to the US Constitution when it comes to using the military against civilians within US Borders.”

Heroically, there are local police officers who feel threatened by being placed on a short leash placed by the President in the hand of the U.S. Army. Former NYPD detective and U.S. Marine intelligence officer, Sid Frances has called upon the state houses and Governors to assert their constitutionally guaranteed sovereignty and outright refuse to place their state forces under the command of federal officers. “I cannot understand why the federal government is so intent on using such military force within our borders. It reminds me of the Branch Dividian massacre in Waco, Texas, when the feds used that deadly physical force based on false information.” Admonitions and fears such as these from legitimate sources with personal experience should be a clarion call to all Americans wary of their constitutional protections from government encroachment and weary of the daily usurpation of power by one presidential administration after another (of both parties, mind you). In this case the conglomeration of power is being reinforced with the magnificent might of the United States Armed Forces.

christine  posted on  2010-04-13   21:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks.

Has anyone said, or does anyone know, what prompted this assault?

Were these cops just returned from the ME?

Lod  posted on  2010-04-13   22:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While Obama and his team are making it sound as if they will use the military in a non-combative roll, part of the training being conducted is in urban warfare,”

...training that presumably includes a couple tours of duty shooting civilians in urban settings in iraq and afghanistan.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   22:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When will anyone challenge this half-gum?

Clearly un-Constitutional, and clearly treasonous.

imo.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-13   22:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-13   22:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

how many generations of poverty will it take for americans to become human again?

is there any sense in violent resistance if there's no foundation of human decency behind that resistance?

is there anything here, now, worth saving?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-13   22:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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