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Title: Establishment Terrified by Tea Party Movement
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Published: Apr 15, 2010
Author: Matt Towery
Post Date: 2010-04-15 09:26:50 by Eric Stratton
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Establishment Terrified by Tea Party Movement WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Whenever I'm in the nation's capital, it's always entertaining to see government staff, aides, lobbyists and elected officials doing their thing. They can make you feel like an outsider -- unless, that is, you were there when Ronald Reagan was sworn in, doing then as they are doing now. Then you realize that they're just younger versions of yourself. With age and experience comes a trace of wisdom. In talking to various Washington insiders over the last few days, I've noticed a predominant theme: The GOP establishment hasn't a clue how to manage the so-called Tea Party movement. And the Democrats are equally clueless as they try to profile and pigeonhole these new activists. I've been closely watching Tea Partiers since about this time last year. I noticed early on that establishment Republican elected officials have been letting the Tea Party march right on past. These officeholders are afraid they'll be seen as radical if they associate with the protest movement. Conventional Washington wisdom seems to have it that moderate, swing voters in the fall general elections will turn away from the GOP if the party ends up with nominees for Congress who are either self-identified as Tea Partiers or are somehow associated with them. Consider this oddity: Sen. John McCain has long been cold-shouldered by the GOP establishment, which has thought of him as too liberal for the party's taste. Now he is suddenly viewed as a part of that very establishment, which is itself now deemed too liberal. Believe me when I tell you that the very notion of a spontaneous conservative grassroots movement that they can't get a handle on has this town's Republican operatives baffled. The Democrats are even more in the dark. They have persuaded themselves that the Tea Party crowd is one and the same with the so-called "birthers," who believe President Obama was not born in the United States and should not be eligible to serve as president. The Democrats welcome the Tea Party because they believe it will divide the GOP and bring to the fore weaker and less experienced Republican candidates in November. Either that, they believe, or it will cause a big chunk of disenchanted Republican voters -- either establishment or Tea Party -- to sit out this year's general election altogether. I love Washington -- it's in my blood. But I've been here so many times that I've come to see clearly that the capital city is one whose inhabitants talk almost exclusively among and about themselves. That was true when I was here in the 1980s and 1990s, it's true now, and it was probably true in early post-colonial days. Where else on earth do men still wear neckties to gatherings on Sunday night? It's an insulated company town that's only interested in the gossip and inside perspectives of the "company" -- politics and government. What will become of the Tea Party movement? I suspect that in some cases, there will be Tea Party Republicans who will run against and clean the clocks of their Republican primary opponents. There will be other cases in which the Tea Party candidates will lose badly, either because they are little more than well-meaning amateurs or because their establishment GOP opponents have enough conservative bona fides to satisfy conservative voters. Either way, the Tea Party will not split the GOP this year. The movement, though not as large as some like to portray it, is still a powerful force. The Tea Party is an indication of how heavy the voter turnout on the Republican side likely will be in November, regardless of who the GOP nominee might be for a given office. I keep reading media reports that try to portray some Tea Partiers as racist. They keep insisting that alleged racial slurs were hurled at certain members of Congress when the health care bill was being considered. Much media, like many Beltway insiders, are characterizing as a racist-inspired fringe element what is in fact a loud manifestation of anger and fear over taxes, government growth, and possible abridgements of future liberty and security. I don't buy it. The Tea Party may or may not be substantial enough to transform the GOP into a more conservative party. But my polling tells this: We are likely to see Republican primaries this year that will be contested as never before. And that means there could be an avalanche of Americans voting Republican in November. The Tea Party effort is both symbolic and a catalyst. It will end up spurring a rush of voter intensity the GOP hasn't seen since 1994. Oh, yes, I liked this town a lot in those days. Poster Comment: Yeah, that's it, elections will change things. /s
Matt Towery
Thursday, April 15, 2010
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
You fundamentally do not understand the anti-government protests I think (no offense intended). No movement, in history, starts out with people showing up with torches and hanging the emperor. None. There is always a period of build up of protests, sometimes years long, where people who were normally not active start showing up and voicing their discontent, which provides an impetus for education of even more people. This is exactly what is happening now, and every major event brings in more people. History shows that eventually this will hit a critical mass where action will in fact occur (or the government will back down knowing that their necks are not long for the noose). 1776 was preceded by years of "bitching and protesting" by peaceful people who didn't "shoot the bastards" despite ever tightening restraints by King George & Co. France's experience in 1787 was preceded by a long period of discontent, protests and anger by the population before Bastille day happened. This is not the Soviet model, people won't wake up next Monday and march shoulder to shoulder with pitchforks to lead their politicians to the guillotine. This is not short attention span theater, patience is required. If you want people to "recognize a dead corpse" then I fail to see why you'd consider people railing against this government as a bad thing. The passage of the Nazicare bill was a lesson, one of many I'd assume, where some in the movement went "wait...what?" and had that "it's dead Jim" moment, while more climbed on board who were not active before. Time. It takes time. Every rebuff by Obeyme and Company means more join the ranks, means more realize that they have no voice in the system because the system they knew was murdered, means more become even angrier and actually want to *do something* meaningful. If you want a 60 minute Made For Television movie version, you're probably out of luck. If you want every single anti-government protester to sign a pledge of philosophical purity, you're really out of luck and probably don't get that broad based movements can only by needs focus on one or two broad items (less government, no socialism, less taxes in this case). If you have a burr under your saddle about whomever is showing up to speak, then get off your butt, get outside, organize a rally yourself and do something about it other than criticize others sitting safely at home doing nothing. At least people are starting to do things now, and wake up to Leviathan. It doesn't matter a whit if it's "too late" according to you or anybody, human beings don't work according to schedules set by those on the sidelines who won't stand up and act. It just seems strange to me how utterly bent on defeat many so called "pro freedom" people are. Even at the beginning of the anti-government protests, when it was Ron Paul and a handful of folks, most here and other places were poo-pooing it. I suspect that most people are scared to death to be confronted with the reality of having to stand up for their beliefs and felt that they'd be safe spending their lives on the internet being electronic lions roaring at a digital ether.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
There. Fixed it for you. Most of the people will go to the polls on election day (those who bother) and will vote for communist a instead of communist b. They are going to keep on doing what they have always done and keep on getting what they have always gotten. I would like to be proven wrong but I have lived a long time and I see the same freakin' thing every two and four years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL! Robin and the rest of the nesters ober to de peepil's forum!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You've seen million person highly angry protests on the capitol mall, and hundreds of thousand-person events staged in every state of the union, all with the same complaints, every 2 to 4 years? Really?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I guess I had better do the dirty deed and complete this thread, nobody else has volunteered to do it: _________________________________________________________________________ Oh no. I would have thought that you would understand what I meant. I am talking about the farce we have that is called an "election" (or to put more honestly with all the rigged voting machines, (s)election). I see the same bs every two years when it is members of Congress and a 1/3 of the Senate running for re-election. And I see it every four years when the establishment picks out two communist goons to fight for the figurehead position of president. Last one was even "better" (in a manner of speaking). A "choice" between insane McCain and a freakin' Kenyan! Ask yourself this and answer honestly--what chance does an actual American, one who would honor his oath to the Constitution, have to ever get the nod for president? The chances are slim and none and slim left town some time ago. All who ever get the chance to board at the White House are owned and controlled and you know that as well as I do. And if they are not malleable enough I suspect they get to see films from the JFK assassination that you and I haven't seen.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Exactly. You're welcome.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Not irrelevant. There is no "official site" either, that's bumpus. There are local sites at best, and those normally temporary and ad hoc. There are no leaders or main leading areas. Again, you fundamentally do not grok this movement and are the only one that I can see who has fallen for any kind of "co-opt". Sorry. And this solid understanding will occur via....what? Osmosis? Telepathic waves sent over the quantum continuum? Jesus appearing in a glowing halo in the sky and telling everybody to arise next Tuesday? How precisely will people "learn" if efforts at waking up are scoffed at and scorned *by those ostensibly on their side*? Are we to be so scared of proverbial train tracks (which historically can lead *anywhere*) that we sit down and stay at home, as you seem to wish? I guess ultimately all this sideline criticism stuff would have more impact with me and probably others if those criticizing were actually participating and doing something besides, well, sitting on the sideline criticizing. More people now are starting to understand little "L" libertarian thought than at any time in history since the Revolution. Curse it if you will, deride it, whatever, your call. Me, I celebrate people waking up, even if it took a while.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
The liberty movement, or what is left of it, is so goddamned paranoid that it lashes out at foes and friends alike these days. You people seem dead set intent on losing. Do nothing, trust nobody, don't act, be quiet, accept fate, hunker down and polish your guns in your basement waiting for WW3; those are the messages I hear echoed more often than not these days from so called "pro freedom" people on the internet. You should be ashamed of yourselves, even pretending to advocate for human freedom. The Tea Party may be a friend of liberty where you live, but in Springfield, MO they are backing Roy Blunt for Senator. Roy Blunt, the number three man in the House during the Bush Administration. Roy Blunt, a co-author of the free meds for geezers legislation. Roy Blunt, a man who not only voted in favor of EVERY piece of Republican big government legislation put in front of him, but as the number three man, he helped ram it down our throats. Roy Blunt, a hard core Zionist and Israeli-firster, and finally, Roy Blunt, one of the men named by Sibel Edmonds as taking bribe money from from Turkey in exchange for political favors. IMHO, any group that actively pushes for this man to be a Senator is no friend of freedom. I realize that the Tea Party is a non-centralized organization which may not have been co-opted everywhere by republican statists, but I for one will have nothing to do with them on a local level. They are an enemy of freedom loving Americans as far as I'm concerned.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
And I thought you would have understood that this isn't necessarily about elections. It's an educational process. The government's (and MSM and progressive's) effite elitist reactions are causing more outrage. More people are joining daily. Every day Obama's aura fades by large degrees. The more he and his cohort demons continue to ignore or deride, the more they push people over the edge. Only Limbaugh, Hannity and the progressives think this is about elections. Me personally, I think we're in for one election cycle more, if that. Nothing will change and these folks will actually be in the streets with torches and guns. This isn't some group of hippies out on the weekend looking to cause trouble, these folks are hurtfully angry. Every election cycle in the past, in my memory, has people getting their base a little aggitated, a few letters to the editor, then everybody tromps out to the polls and we have the same ol' same ol'. Protests like this, with normal middle class people being this angry, haven't happened in over a century (sorry, the hippies in the 60's were unemployed college students with nothing better to do). When the middle class gets up in arms, things happen (historically) that are much more severe.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Then organize your own and invite like minded people. That's the beauty of this. There is no central, controlling authority, as you point out. Up here in central Ohio, the events have been strongly libertarian and highly anti-republican/anti-democrat. When "who is John Galt" and "Atlas needs to shrug" signs are in prominence, that's the sign of a *friend* of liberty in my view. The key is, if you don't like it, change it. Expecting leaders/fuhrers to fulfill your wishes is the antithesis of what's going on.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I hope you're right. I really do.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I sure as hell wouldn't be welcome if I showed up with a sign stating: _________________________________________________________________________ The way things are going, the elitists in D.C. may suspend the November elections.
Bullshit. The zionists in the GOP are working overtime, through goyim agents like Sarah Palin, to infiltrate the Tea Party and co-opt their whole "movement" and make it "respectable" for mainstream America. This is true - they want to turn it into a False Opposition charade. However, there is a wild card here in that a lot of people are waking up to ZioNAZI subversion of our government for the Rothschild Prefect of Israel. Of course most of the mainstream Zionazis have no clue that there beloved Mecca is nothing more than a front for the Rothschild Bankster Fambly. It is an interesting stew and the Tea Party people ARE angry and resentful of the tyranny being imposed. I just wish someone would "marginalize" St. Sarah increasingly as she makes me want to puke. She is just another treasonous swine in heels.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
NAW .. they are too busy fostering democracies around the world.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Well, I've been hearing that since Clinton's first term, so the effectiveness of it is starting to wear thin. While I think of all of the petty Tyrants we've elected from Bush I forward were capable of it, Obama does seem to posses the absolute disconnectedness from reality to give it a try. I wouldn't put it past him, but it would still surprise me if the attempt was made, especially given the anger out here right now at the little punk and his toadies.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Well, given as this is about taxes, government overreach and stopping socialist power grabs, that kind of sign would be mostly out of place and derivative at best. Large movements without leaders run by large, easy to grasp themes, not specific details. The peasants of France in 1787 were probably not running around spouting against specific political arrangements between France and lower Lichtenstein when they stormed the Bastille.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
And yet again... This isn't about the "polls". It's a process. I keep trying to communicate this to you and you keep not hearing what I'm saying. Of course the polls are futile, of course voting is futile, but you and I and others here also started out our political journey, most likely, being mad and thinking we could make a difference at the polls. It took, probably, many years and lots of futility to finally see that the system is a dead parrot, but all through we got madder and madder, refined our thought and many of us ended up just a hair shy of anarcho-capitalist(ish). These people are just starting this, now, this year. Of course they haven't come to the conclusions that you seem to feel they needed to use as a starting point (which would be an impossibility). But they have gotten angry, and their anger is at government, and more specifically, at how the government seems to be wholly at odds with a notion of liberty they've just rediscovered. Give them time, let them learn, bump their knees, get scraped up a bit. They'll harden just like the rest of us. Things are never "too late" except when talking about nuclear war. A government that wouldn't hesitate to use violence on us does so at its own risk because it is sorely outgunned by us "commoners", and sometime soon the anti-government protesters will realize this (assuming violence is used against them in any real capacity). If you only see defeat at the onset, why bother advocating liberty at all? To me this is the most hopeful sign of Americanism reasserting itself I've seen in my life, because I'm taking a long range view of things. The progressives/commies needed almost a century of constant evil to get where they are today. Don't expect everybody to know everything and come to every conclusion you feel they should in the span of a year or two. Patience.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
If ten million Americans publicly stood up and said what I have said, IMO the Government would take a lot more fucking note than 50 million saying that they're going to vote them out of office or other shit. Defend the movement as you may, Sarah Palin, a roach, was the keynote speaker at their official national convention. But wait, if they don't have an official website, how can they possibly have had an official national convention! Funny how that works. Talk is cheap my friend, and the TPM is 100% talk. I'm more than talk when push comes to shove. The TP-ers, when push comes to shove, aren't going to know what to do b/c know one's given them their daily dose of instructions as the sheep that they are. Fortunately for us, there are a lot more people out there fully prepared to defend themselves to the max against an ever-increasingly totalitarian regime than the mouths that run around from gripe session to gripe session. I applaud your vim and vigor through this, but seriously, trying to defend a roving band of malcontents with their primary and only real weapon being a squawk box, is futile. Author! Author! If you were a big titted blonde, I'd kiss you! .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or This is an excellent point, SoL, and if anyone recalls life in the early-mid- late 60s, that can relate to your "process" comment. I realize that there were countless events that have destroyed and debased our culture and nation, but it was during this period that a process began that led to the group of people that now inhabit the most upper levels of government.
Right on ! More neo-cons (Palin) is not the solution to party pollution !
"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."
Well, I'm glad I'm finally speaking in a way that gets my point across. Defeatism was never my forte. I get mad, even borderline depressed sometimes, but there's always something there that says don't give up. I doubt seriously that anybody is going to follow me down the path of non-compliance today right now, but in a few years, who knows? Political maturity takes time, regardless of the political views being talked about. That they're even at the wailing-birth stage of liberty now is a wonder, given how thoroughly the progressive/socialist/fascist message has been drummed into our heads since at least the 1930's. If a person can't see hope in that, then they're hopeless. They still have a lot of assumptions to shake off, and carry a lot of their former political baggage, yes, but they seem to be willing to look at new ideas now, and the ideas they seem to have taken a shine to are mostly little "L" libertarian in nature. Me, I'm impressed, happy and inspired. Good on them. Our job at this point is to help them down the path, in my view. What we shouldn't be doing is sneering at them and belittling them.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Any group that is despised and vilified by the Left should be congratulated on general principle.
Our job at this point is to help them down the path ???
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
That wouldn't apply to the kids at Kent State, or to the injection of our military into the nation's cities when they erupted into flames. But I digress. I'm thinking more of the - then - radical left wings cells (the Weathermen, the SDS, the Black Liberation Army, the Black Panthers) whose ideas are now represented in this administration. The question is, will this smaller government, less taxed thing being put forward take hold? IMO, since it's being attacked so vigorously with lies by all the usual suspects, there is a possibility. When might it happen, if it does? Not a soul knows, but to those giving up their time and energy to gather in support of these basic concepts, I think they deserve my support.
Yesterday, Obama said that the Tea Parties should be thanking him. He is completely disconnected from reality.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
What is the matter with you ... I hear "Sarah Palin is my cup of TEA" badges is coming out right now.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
#15. To: Eric Stratton (#13)
#16. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
The Tea Party effort is both symbolic and a catalyst. It will end up spurring a rush of voter
intensity insanity the GOP hasn't seen since 1994.
Lord Acton
#17. To: Itistoolate (#6)
Lord Acton
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#15)
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
#21. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
Her primary weapon is unbuttoning her blouse by one more button.
Obama is the miscegenated bastard child of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#22. To: SonOfLiberty (#18)
Lord Acton
#23. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
Thank you!
Lord Acton
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#19)
Those armed with a solid understanding of human history, how money controls things and always has throughout history, and of human nature know full well where these train tracks lead.
#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#22)
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
#28. To: SonOfLiberty (#24)
#29. To: SonOfLiberty (#26)
Lord Acton
#30. To: SonOfLiberty, All (#27)
#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
There is no central, controlling authority, as you point out.
Obama is the miscegenated bastard child of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#32. To: SonOfLiberty (#26)
Me personally, I think we're in for one election cycle more, if that. Nothing will change and these folks will actually be in the streets with torches and guns. This isn't some group of hippies out on the weekend looking to cause trouble, these folks are hurtfully angry.
#33. To: X-15 (#3)
The GOP establishment hasn't a clue how to manage the so-called Tea Party movement.
#34. To: PaulCJ (#32)
The way things are going, the elitists in D.C. may suspend the November elections.
#35. To: PaulCJ (#32)
The way things are going, the elitists in D.C. may suspend the November elections.
#36. To: X-15 (#31)
#37. To: Eric Stratton (#30)
#38. To: Eric Stratton (#28)
I am doing something, I'm making it publicly known that I'm not willing to put up with more of this shit and that I'm willing to go down fighting even if it means winding up a statistic. That's more than the TPM has done collectively since all I see there is pussified bullshit talk about how we should take everything to the polls spoken and incited with the mother of all ignorance.
COONTACT! die kill ~~ Me
#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
This isn't about the "polls". It's a process
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#28)
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
#42. To: SonOfLiberty (#41)
Our job at this point is to help them down the path, in my view
#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#41)
The education period is over.
#44. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
#45. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
#46. To: PSUSA (#38)
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
#48. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
#49. To: Eric Stratton, all (#48)
In fact, IMO that's an enormous part of the problem here, people suggesting that there are significant similarities when Government is infinitely more oppressive and willing to quash the masses today than it was in the '60s.
#50. To: SonOfLiberty (#35)
Well, I've been hearing that since Clinton's first term, so the effectiveness of it is starting to wear thin. While I think of all of the petty Tyrants we've elected from Bush I forward were capable of it, Obama does seem to posses the absolute disconnectedness from reality to give it a try. I wouldn't put it past him, but it would still surprise me if the attempt was made, especially given the anger out here right now at the little punk and his toadies.
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
#52. To: Eric Stratton (#51)
They have my support insofar as it doesn't involve the GOP or its representatives.
#53. To: buckeroo (#52)
#54. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
It took, probably, many years and lots of futility to finally see that the system is a dead parrot
Lord Acton
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