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Title: Advocates carry handguns, rifles at Va. rally
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100419 ... us/us_second_amendment_rallies
Published: Apr 20, 2010
Author: MATTHEW BARAKAT and NAFEESA SYEED
Post Date: 2010-04-20 20:15:10 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 301
Comments: 19

By MATTHEW BARAKAT and NAFEESA SYEED, Associated Press Writers Matthew Barakat And Nafeesa Syeed, Associated Press Writers Mon Apr 19, 7:45 pm ET

ARLINGTON, Va. – Carrying loaded pistols and unloaded rifles, dozens of gun-rights activists got as close as they could Monday to the nation's capital while still bearing arms and delivered what they said was a simple message: Don't tread on me.

Hundreds of like-minded but unarmed counterparts carried out a separate rally in the nation's capital.

The gun-carrying protesters in Virginia rallied on national park land, which is legal thanks to a new law signed by President Barack Obama that allows guns in national parks. Organizers said it's the first armed rally in a national park since the law passed.

The District of Columbia's strict gun laws, however, generally make it illegal to carry a handgun, so rally participants there were unarmed.

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Daniel Almond, who organized the "Restore the Constitution" rally in Virginia, said he wanted to convene in a place where "we can exercise our rights." He pointed in the direction of Washington and said, "Over there, the Constitution is being violated in that we cannot bear arms."

Among the speakers in Virginia was former Alabama Minuteman leader Mike Vanderboegh, who has been denounced in recent weeks after calling for citizens to throw bricks through the windows of local Democratic party headquarters across the country. Several such incidents occurred after Vanderboegh issued his call.

Vanderboegh said the broken windows are a wake-up call that many people feel threatened by an expanding federal government.

"We are done backing up. Not one more inch," Vanderboegh said to cheers, after telling the crowd that for too long Americans have acquiesced at the loss of liberty.

In an interview, Vanderboegh said he considers armed resistance justified only "when they send people to our doors and kill us."

But he suggested that an arrest at the hand of federal government is tantamount to a death sentence and that he would fight back in such a case. Specifically, he outlined a scenario in which people who refuse to buy health insurance under the new health reform law would be subject to arrest and that such confrontations could turn violent.

"If I know I'm not going to get a fair trial in federal court ... I at least have the right to an unfair gunfight," Vanderboegh said.

After his speech, gun control advocate Martina Leinz confronted Vanderboegh and called him a "small, little bully" and said the rally was designed to intimidate.

"If they wanted to have dialogue, they don't need to bring a big weapon with them," she said of the protesters.

The rally began in Fort Hunt Park and moved to Gravelly Point in Arlington, next to Reagan National Airport and just south of the nation's capital, with the Washington Monument and the U.S. Capitol in the backdrop. Departing planes frequently drowned out speakers, and reporters nearly outnumbered rally participants.

Ken Garvin of Newville, Pa., said he had never before attended such a rally but came Monday because he believes the government is out of control. He stressed that the people attending the rally "are not a bunch of crazed thugs. ... They're just people." He said all sides need to listen to each other's viewpoints.

"I don't hate the left. I just don't understand where they're coming from," he said.

Wes Wdzieczny of Essex, Md., said people are unduly alarmed if they see rallies like these as promoting violence.

"I don't think anyone here has delusions of storming the Capitol. ... People are just basically fed up," he said.

In Washington, signs reading "Which part of 'shall not be infringed' confuses you?" and bright orange stickers saying "Guns save lives" dotted the crowd at the Washington Monument.

Organizer Skip Coryell said he chose the date to mark the anniversary of the Revolutionary War battles of Lexington and Concord, and dismissed any associations with the actions of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. The bombing occurred on April 19, 1995.

"I think there are some people out there who have an agenda and they want to paint us as gun-toting, lunatic, militia types, and we're not that way," Coryell said.

The event also attracted 78-year-old Audrey Smith of Clearfield, Pa., who said she and a group of local Tea Party activists traveled to show their solidarity.

"We'll support anything that is in jeopardy of being taken out of our Constitution," Smith said.

U.S. Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., said in a statement that armed protests in national parks were a public safety concern. He also said that while the Second Amendment has become a rallying point for gun rights activists, "virtually every action the federal government has taken in the past decade has weakened commonsense gun laws already on the books."

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Syeed reported from Washington, D.C.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"If they wanted to have dialogue, they don't need to bring a big weapon with them," she said of the protesters.

News Flash lady. I don't think anyone wanted "dialogue". I think they just wanted to say, "Back off or die!" or something similar. :)


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Critter  posted on  2010-04-20   20:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Critter (#1)

That woman was retarded. Her friend had a yellow sign that said "Timothy McVeigh was NOT a hero". The other side said "They are terrorists, not patriots". She obviously thought we were big fans of McVeigh, because in her stupid little "Million Mom March" head, anyone with a gun is good buddies with him.

She wouldn't talk to any of us, so she didn't hear us tell her that April 19th is the anniversary of Lex/Con, and we don't care about Waco or OKC being on the same day.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-04-20   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Critter (#1)

News Flash lady. I don't think anyone wanted "dialogue". I think they just wanted to say, "Back off or die!" or something similar. :)

THAT!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-20   21:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: echo5sierra (#2)

She wouldn't talk to any of us

Got pics and more personal data about this event? I am a big, Big, BIG fan of Mike Vanderboegh.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-20   21:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

I didn't take any pictures, but let me tell you that all it takes is 75 people. That is all the people that were bearing arms there!!! From the coverage, you would have thought a regiment showed up. Nope, barely half a company sized group. I gave out twenty interviews, all under my nom de guerre, Henry Bowman. I was also the only one with a FAL. Disappointing.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-04-20   21:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: echo5sierra (#5)

I am PROUD of you. Man, if we had a handful more people like you with tenacity and principles, we would have already have subdued the beast.

And never be disappointed. You have a lot of memories to be proud of.

Man, oh man oh man.... as GOD is my witness I am crying in exuberance that another patriot is HERE. Keep up the good work!

Thank you,
Buckeroo

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-20   21:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6)

We need to have these rallied all over the country!! There is no reason why we can't. Start planning one in your area. I will in mine.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-04-20   21:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The gun-carrying protesters in Virginia rallied on national park land, which is legal thanks to a new law signed by President Barack Obama that allows guns in national parks.

i didn't know that this law was passed.

"Anarchy is any social relationship that involves neither dominance nor submission. It is the absence of social hierarchy, with no one imposing their will on another by force or threat of punishment. Anarchy means "without a ruler", or "without government". Government here is meant in the sense of "governing over" and forcing compliance through coercion. Such order is violent order. Anarchy, by contrast, is inherently cooperative- people relating to one another as equals."

christine  posted on  2010-04-20   21:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: echo5sierra, critter (#7)

Ask critter about some of our Washington DC appearances back in 1999 and 2000; but you are right we should plan these events on a local level frequently.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-20   21:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: echo5sierra (#5)

nom de guerre Henry Bowman

funny. i use the female protagonist's name as mine. ;)

"Anarchy is any social relationship that involves neither dominance nor submission. It is the absence of social hierarchy, with no one imposing their will on another by force or threat of punishment. Anarchy means "without a ruler", or "without government". Government here is meant in the sense of "governing over" and forcing compliance through coercion. Such order is violent order. Anarchy, by contrast, is inherently cooperative- people relating to one another as equals."

christine  posted on  2010-04-20   21:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: echo5sierra (#2)

and nevermind that McVeigh was an op.

"Anarchy is any social relationship that involves neither dominance nor submission. It is the absence of social hierarchy, with no one imposing their will on another by force or threat of punishment. Anarchy means "without a ruler", or "without government". Government here is meant in the sense of "governing over" and forcing compliance through coercion. Such order is violent order. Anarchy, by contrast, is inherently cooperative- people relating to one another as equals."

christine  posted on  2010-04-20   21:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#8)

i didn't know that this law was passed

Yes, the Big O must have an ulterior motive for allowing this.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-20   22:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Yes, the Big O must have an ulterior motive for allowing this.

It was one step backwards, two steps forwards. He got what he wanted, and he threw us a little, inconsequential (in his mind) victory.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-04-20   22:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: echo5sierra (#13)

I hope you're right. I have no trust in Him or His motives.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-20   22:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull, echo5sierra, critter, christine (#0)

Here is a video with a hotlink ....The event ... I can't load using HTML iframes onto 4um because the 4um parsers eliminate the code.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-20   23:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#15)

Great vid - thanks.

Lod  posted on  2010-04-20   23:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod, echo5sierra (#16) (Edited)

What a FANTASTIC group of Americans. As echo5sierra suggests, we need to do this sort of local publick exposure hi&lo in small groups everywhere.

Truly, I am overwhelmed in PRIDE for Mike and all the others that turned out. You can contact Mike:

Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126
GeorgeMason1776@aol.com

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-04-20   23:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

One of life's little ironies: The rally people (and other Teabaggers) accuse Obama of being out to grab their guns, but it turns out that the Virginia rally was allowed to have guns only because of an Executive Order signed by Obama.

Shoonra  posted on  2010-04-21   7:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Shoonra (#18)

No, they were "allowed" to have guns because it is their right to have guns. Those in DC should have also showed up armed, but were too chickenshit to actually exercise a right they have without permission required.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-04-21   8:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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