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Title: Wickedly Funny Post on LP
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=287845&Disp=18#C18
Published: Apr 21, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-04-21 11:16:31 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 640
Comments: 54

After years of federal and state meddling, the forces of big-gooberment has achieved a rate of divorce and broken homes over 50%. And many of the intact marriages are under appalling conditions (adultery, abusiveness, etc.).

Again, I don't see what it is (other than gooberment benefits that were always granted at the expense of a minority of citizens) that so attracts the gays to marriage.

Just because someone tells you you can't have something doesn't actually make it worth wanting.

Conventional suburban homos with two kids and going to the PTA is an inane end to so-called gay rights. The right to be Rob and Laura Petrie? Seems odd to pine for the Ozzie and Harriet routine. I thought the queer theorists had a more interesting and radical vision. But it turns out the homos are even more pathetic than the straights have been.

I suppose the next aspiration after marriage for meguro is to become a Republican, maybe join a country club.

TooConservative posted on 2010-04-20 14:17:58 ET Reply Trace


Poster Comment:

That last line is a killer. I suspect some of you remember the flamer, meguro, who posted here for a bit. He apparently decided that we didn't bow and scrape enough to him and quit posting here.

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

There already are Republican homosexuals; some of whom belong to country clubs.

Homosexuality is a human trait that is spread around humanity as randomly as any other trait like blue eyes or brown, or right handed or left handed. No one asks to be wired that way any more than they had a choice to be heterosexual.

In fact, it lost much it's stigma in current culture when research showed in a decisive way that that sexual proclivity has no bearing on how successful, decent or productive a person someone is in life.

It only becomes controversial when people use this variation of human sexual preference as a way to scare people enough to accept mindsets of political or religious thought they otherwise would not be open to.

It is used as a catalyst to promote paradigms.

Which is why when I hear someone crying wolf about the alleged danger of a gay or lesbian bogeyman, I know they are full of crap.


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Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   11:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret (#1)

"...research showed in a decisive way..."

...?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-21   11:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: wudidiz (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

Excellent response. Will it sink in? Doubt it but it was still good.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   12:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/postcomment.cgi?an=98253&cn=0

The late, great meguro, as he tried to defend his desire to sit on a Quiznos "Big Boy."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-04-21   12:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

What sort of sane person makes a pivotal life-centering issue out of their sexual orientation on a regular basis like homos do? It's psychotic!

hahahaha


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-21   12:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wudidiz (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: James Deffenbach (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

They're still trying to piss off their parents.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-21   12:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: wudidiz (#10)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wudidiz (#10)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

Soddom and Gomorrah

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“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-04-21   13:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret, Eric Stratton (#3)

Homosexuality is a human trait that is spread around humanity as randomly as any other trait like blue eyes or brown, or right handed or left handed. No one asks to be wired that way any more than they had a choice to be heterosexual.

Gentlemen: I have had many years to consider homosexuality, being a native from the land of fruits and nuts, having several nephews who are gay, and having worked with lesbians in the legal profession.

From close, personal observations I find that homosexuality is generally a lifestyle, nothing more, nothing less. The wiring Ferret speaks of is their own personal history, of which there are as many as there are queers. For instance, two of my nephews' history was being raised by a mother who had given up a daughter at age 15. She raised those boys like the girl she had left behind. They wore tutus for dancing, applied makeup for looks, and played with dolls instead of trucks. Their Mom encouraged it by buying those things that a girl would find interesting.

Another nephew was raised in a very dysfunctional home, suffering physical abuse by his parents. He went off to college at age 18 and decided he liked the boys better than the girls. Having visited him on weekends for much of his time at college, I saw his play for attention from the girls be ignored, but witnessed the boys were overly attentive. He came home for vacation his last year of schooling and announced he was "gay".

Of all those homosexuals I have known in my lifetime in California, only one did I note was obviously "wired" as something different than who he/she/it was born. My opinion was derived from watching his body become shaped like a woman's, not a man's. When his mom caught him in womens clothing, she had him tested, both medically and psychologically. The medical doctor reported the level of female hormones in his body were such that, had the problem been detected at an early age, could have been corrected. Both the medical doctor and psychiatrist opined he would have a very difficult time readjusting if it were decided to correct the hormone imbalance. At age 18 he opted to have surgery and is a transgender woman.

The lesbians I have known have made their choices. As a matter of fact, there are more lesbians who have been married and then divorced and eventually took on a homosexual way of life than there were gays. That is not to say that the same has not occured in the gay community. It does, but not in the numbers that I found among lesbians.

The above opinion(s) are from personal contact and experience, not from the supposition of others.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-04-21   13:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton, wudidiz, Ferret, James Deffenbach, christine, all (#8)

wud: (quoting ES): What sort of sane person makes a pivotal life-centering issue out of their sexual orientation on a regular basis like homos do? It's psychotic!

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ES: It is fucking psychotic!

Agreed. Homosexuality is an aberration - a deviation from the human norm which is heterosexuality. Test of thought: Heterosexuality promotes survival of the species and Homosexuality does not. Therefore heterosexuality is a normal survival trait and homosexuality is a dead end (pardon the pun).

As was pointed out earlier in the thread homosexuals are totally enveloped in their sexual gratification - and wish to ape normal heterosexual behavior to give a false patina of normalcy to to their behavior. I don't care that much about their sexual practices and they are welcome to them - as long as they do not shove their "thing" in my face - which is what the homosexual movement, and feminism, has become - a political vehicle to enforce a specific set of viewpoints, the acceptance of sexual perversion, as "normal". If they wish to bugger their neighbor that is their right - just as it is their neighbor's right to not be so afflicted. When so-called "Gay Rights", which was simply a demand for license for their "lifestyle", became obnoxious and ever present they crossed the line of respect for their neighbors. As well the thread of pedophilia and pederasty that runs through the queer community is not only distasteful it is disgusting and objectionable. They may well, in a free society, have the right to remain unmolested as long as they respect the rights and sensitivities of their neighbors, but long since they have crossed the line into the disrespect for others by pushing their sexual dysfunction as "normal" and demanding that it be treated as "normal" when it is NOT normal and no manner or form of PC Police can ever make it so.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-04-21   13:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)

... the thread of pedophilia and pederasty that runs through the queer community is not only distasteful it is disgusting and objectionable.

You have such a "nice" way of voicing your objection to pedophilia. I have to admit, I am much more animated.

One of my nephews confided in me that he had "an eye" for younger boys and had to make a concerted effort to not play out his thoughts. I advised him, "If I EVER find out you have as much as touched a young kid, I will kill you."

His reaction was, "I thought I could tell you anything." I explained to him that what he and another adult did behind closed doors was of no business of mine. However, if he had such little respect for a child that he would steal their innocence in exchange for "acting out his thoughts", then I would hunt him to the end of the earth to save the rest of society from any future actions.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-04-21   14:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, christine, earthchild, SonofLiberty, HOUNDDAWG, TwentyTwelve, Dakmar, James Deffenbach, gengis gandhi, Arator, Horse, randge, bluegrass, ada, scrapper2, farmfriend, all (#15) (Edited)

They may well, in a free society, have the right to remain unmolested as long as they respect the rights and sensitivities of their neighbors, but long since they have crossed the line into the disrespect for others by pushing their sexual dysfunction as "normal" and demanding that it be treated as "normal" when it is NOT normal and no manner or form of PC Police can ever make it so.

Reason prevails!

One of the most obvious signs that this lifestyle of "I can't help it I was born this way so I am just like a disabled/minority person and you are cruel if you point my differences out" (but(t) fraudulently marketed as merely a "preference") is really nothing more than a closet variety neurosis is the fact of it being such a central preoccupation among its adherents. As a neurosis, it fits right into the general victim mindset of irresponsibility and non-accountability ("I can't help eating/drugging/conforming myself to death") that the cult is training into the willing slaves.

Despite propaganda to the contrary, the sexuality and gender identification in healthy hetero's is but a fraction of what makes up their identity. Only the superficial obsess in goose step with the cult's surface concerns; the rest of us are working on character, the choices and values and integrity that are deeper than mere esthetic realism, that go to the heart of who we are as sovereign beings. Man or woman, your grasp and understanding of the supreme gift of life's creative power to grow and master the game of life is the core of identity, not how trendy or traditional is your sexual expression.

Building one's entire cult-approved identity on one's sexual impulses, momentary or habitual, is a dead giveaway that nothing more than an adopted neurosis is in play in the vast majority of homosexuals. The exceptions are the (3%?) of homo's whose bodily imbalances, genetically or environmentally caused, bias them toward the much easier same-sex game. I mean, easier for the simple fact of having, in general, the same mental operating system/brain wetware structure in common makes for far, far less of a challenge when communicating and relating, not easier in the actual intercourse, of course! 8=>

BTW, I guiltily admit catching a new propaganda campaign on the mind-control unit of my housemate as I passed through from the kitchen, using Wanda Sykes (aptly named!) as spokesman, where the thought police have the audacity to try to invoke (white male) guilt for use of the phrase "That's so gay"!!!

As the boss-of-us-all orders all who dare to utter this phrase to "Knock it off!"

WTF????!!!!

Is this anything more than a not-so-subliminal incitement of violent reaction to this latest Big Sister crap, inviting anyone who is the target of this attempt to shame anyone who may have a working neuron left to "knock off" the smirk from whomever presumes to echo this latest PC mantra?

It feels like this is the tipping point from absurdity, where common sense and reason will finally react and clearly see the PC/mind-control farce as farce and laugh a liberating belly laugh out loud rather than get offended or guilt-ed.

IOW, its backfire time, pun intended!


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-04-21   14:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Phant2000 (#16)

then I would hunt him to the end of the earth to save the rest of society from any future actions.

Damn.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-04-21   14:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Phant2000 (#14)

"The wiring Ferret speaks of is their own personal history"

I stopped reading right there, as that slander is from from a desire to be malicious and try to refute by claiming I am a homosexual.

I am always interested in respectful and lively debate or discussion. But I have no interest in being lied about.


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Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   14:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret (#19) (Edited)

"The wiring Ferret speaks of is their own personal history"

I stopped reading right there, as that slander is from from a desire to be malicious and try to refute by claiming I am a homosexual.

I am always interested in respectful and lively debate or discussion. But I have no interest in being lied about.

LOL!

Protest too much all you want, in this case it is your reading comprehension (or need for attention) at fault here!

The context was clear to all but you that the poster was saying that the "wiring" is nothing more than choices made in their own personal history NOT from the stars, fate or the latest excuse, genetics.


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-04-21   14:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret (#19)

I stopped reading right there, as that slander is from from a desire to be malicious and try to refute by claiming I am a homosexual.

Mike, read again. Phant wasn't referring to you personally, but to your statement about wiring in general.

christine  posted on  2010-04-21   14:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Pedophiles are intimidated by their peers and gravitate to people without the experience or skill to keep from being victimized. The proclivity to desire to victimize children by using them as sexual partners is an issue not in the purview of a general discussion on either heterosexuality or homosexuality.

It has been argued that homosexuality was useful in the days humans were hunters and gatherers as it involved people who were willing to work for or provide material support to insure the successful survival of the group's pool of young offspring without generating their own which would create a burden on available resources which would put many children in jeopardy of survival.

This is a theory yes, but no more valid or invalid than your hypothesis that homosexuality endangers human procreation.

In fact, in that we have a planet with so many more people than have ever been in existence in recorded history, I submit that is a claim made because of your personal distaste for same gender relationships which is because you are attracted to the other gender, and repelled by the social stigma of being gay or lesbian in our contemporary society.

It is also obvious that the alleged "homosexual conspiracy" exists only as a slanderous vehicle created to try to alarm people with fear and get their emotions to override their reason.

Homosexuality has always been a component of human sexuality throughout human history and always will be. It has not endangered human survival and people of that sexual imprinting are very much as well adjusted and productive as those of us who are imprinted with heterosexual leanings.


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Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   15:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret (#22) (Edited)

This is a theory yes, but no more valid or invalid than your hypothesis that homosexuality endangers human procreation.

Why are you attributing this mis-paraphrased fallacy to O_I?

Or are you simply creating a straw man for your PC thought train to run over?

Please find another foil on which to practice reasoning your way out of a paper bag....


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2010-04-21   15:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine, Phant2000, Original Intent (#21)

Thanks for the prompt. I am very tired of the usual knee jerk reaction to my opinion with slander aimed at me personally. So I'm sure you can understand how in the manner he frames his post I assumes this was yet again more of the same.

Non the less, I find his assumption that gay men are effeminate to be inaccurate. Most gay men are very macho and prefer male culture to feminine aspects of humanity.

Statistics in fact show more cross dressers to be heterosexual men who are turned on by females and feminine culture.

I also have been posting on forums a decade and a half. And in the years I have posted I have been on many thread on many topics, including this one. And to be successful at arguing my half of this debate, I have had to familiarize myself with APA research and papers on the topic. The same material so well researched impartially it removed the stigma of homosexuality enough mainstream culture, regulation and law protects them from the whims and caprice of people whose opinion stems from bigotry and falsehood that has no grounding in fact.

I respectfully note his citation used to support his argument regarding homosexuality is subjective and not objective.

If he has research to cite from sources that used scientific methodology to arrive at the same conclusions he supports, I would find that far more compelling than his tales of personal experience involving opinions and conclusions about a few people he knows.

I live in Oregon that had a great deal of destructive and counterproductive activity from the activity of a now defunct and discredited group called the Oregon Citizen's Alliance (OCA). I saw first hand how this issued used as a catalytic wedge to try to destroy liberal aspects of society by using fear and hatred to advance a far more conservative paradigm of culture in general society.

That also gave me strong opinions on the topic. I also have seen the gay label used to bully straight men who were short, slight in build and not popular. I know that the damage bullying can cause is underrated and under-appreciated.

People like OT are always willing to voice great fear of what homosexuality is allegedly doing to 'hurt' society at large, but are never willing to possibly erode their advocacy by taking on the use of the gay label as a bullying tactic.

I have confidence that research and rational debate will ultimately completely win out and we will see this contrived set of fears largely disappear into history. But that requires people to be informed enough and to care enough to argue their beliefs.

So I am sure that Phant will understand where my point of view comes from, and why in light of a great deal of slander directed at me I jumped to conclusions in my post to him that he was making a personal attack.


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Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   15:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: HighLairEon (#23)

First of all, I like OT. I make no attack of him. I addressed the content of his post on things regarding the issue, not his character which I respect.

So, do you have a point to make? Or is your point to merely try to put me on the defensive, which is not going to happen?


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Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   15:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret (#24) (Edited)

personally, i have no issue with homosexuals and am of the belief that to a large degree, it is biological. having said that, i know that with many it is a lifestyle choice. i have no problem with that either as long as there's no pushing of an agenda where they're a protected/privileged group of individuals any more than others.

christine  posted on  2010-04-21   15:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

The late, great meguro, as he tried to defend his desire to sit on a Quiznos "Big Boy."

LOL! I remember Meghan's time on here and it seemed s/he was none too pleased with the other posters here. Guess people who don't accept aberrant behavior as "normal" are "just not right" to the "gay" crowd.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   16:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

G.K.Chesterton sums up liberalism in a phrase: “the modern and morbid habit of always sacrificing the normal to the abnormal.”

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2010-04-21   16:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

From a Christian/Creator-God standpoint, it meant that He didn't know what He was doing which is absurd.

If your objection is that God would not make anyone with a defect, and that therefore homosexuality could not be a born defect, then wouldn't that mean that there would never be any genetically caused deformed babies?

Just looking to streamline the logic here.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-04-21   16:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

Really, who runs around, besides homos, wearing their sexuality on their sleeve and making it the center of the fucking universe in terms of who they are?

Hetero men used to do that in the '70s and '80s and everyone assumed them to have terminal mental issues. All of a sudden for the last 10 - 20 it's all the rage, ... but only if you're GL.

LOL! I never was afflicted with the desire to run around telling everyone I was straight. I don't understand people who think they have to tell everyone what gets them off. It really is no one else's business and nothing most of us want to hear. Except for talk show audiences I guess. Mad Max said that a talk show audience would "cheer a queer in a minute" and something about how there was nothing a queer liked better than to get out on the street and show their @$$e$ or something to that effect.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   16:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

Of course it won't fucking sink in! There's no place for reason, common sense, or truth in any of this for these people. Literally.

Shit, only some are starting to crack out of their good ole American utopian viewpoint of our nation right now on the obvious issues and stuff that you and I have seen as obvious for decades.

Indeed. Some people are a bit slow on the uptake.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   16:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#15)

As was pointed out earlier in the thread homosexuals are totally enveloped in their sexual gratification - and wish to ape normal heterosexual behavior to give a false patina of normalcy to to their behavior. I don't care that much about their sexual practices and they are welcome to them - as long as they do not shove their "thing" in my face - which is what the homosexual movement, and feminism, has become - a political vehicle to enforce a specific set of viewpoints, the acceptance of sexual perversion, as "normal". If they wish to bugger their neighbor that is their right - just as it is their neighbor's right to not be so afflicted. When so-called "Gay Rights", which was simply a demand for license for their "lifestyle", became obnoxious and ever present they crossed the line of respect for their neighbors. As well the thread of pedophilia and pederasty that runs through the queer community is not only distasteful it is disgusting and objectionable. They may well, in a free society, have the right to remain unmolested as long as they respect the rights and sensitivities of their neighbors, but long since they have crossed the line into the disrespect for others by pushing their sexual dysfunction as "normal" and demanding that it be treated as "normal" when it is NOT normal and no manner or form of PC Police can ever make it so.

Excellent post, O_I.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   16:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rube Goldberg (#28)

G.K.Chesterton sums up liberalism in a phrase: “the modern and morbid habit of always sacrificing the normal to the abnormal.”

Sounds like he had that figured out.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-04-21   16:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret, Christine, All (#24)

I am very tired of the usual knee jerk reaction to my opinion with slander aimed at me personally.

You definitely misinterpreted my post. Thanks, christine, for clearing up the matter.

On the other hand, Ferret, perhaps you wrongfully read the post because YOU have long labeled others when posting here, such as identifying them as racists, bigots, etc.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-04-21   17:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   18:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: HighLairEon, All (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   18:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#29)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   18:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   18:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

i have acute gaydar and have even seen it in very young children. an anecdote. my husband and i were vacationing in LA in the mid 80s. one of our favorite restaurants in Beverly Hills was Bono's (Sonny's). on one dining occasion, his daughter, Chastity, was hostessing. i believe she was 13 or 14 at the time. she had slightly androgynous physical characteristics. i assumed at the time that she was a lesbian. now, over the past couple of years as you may know, Chastity has been going through transsexual hormone therapy as well as sexual reassignment surgery.

i still maintain that in cases such as those i've seen that it's nature more than nurture.

christine  posted on  2010-04-21   19:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#39)

i still maintain that in cases such as those i've seen that it's nature more than nurture.

I would agree. The few, usually men, I have seen who lived as gays then turned straight for religious reasons all seemed to have been molested by men and lost their inhibitions for that life style.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-04-21   19:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine (#39)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   19:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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