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Title: Wickedly Funny Post on LP
Source: LP
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=287845&Disp=18#C18
Published: Apr 21, 2010
Author: TooConservative
Post Date: 2010-04-21 11:16:31 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 601
Comments: 54

After years of federal and state meddling, the forces of big-gooberment has achieved a rate of divorce and broken homes over 50%. And many of the intact marriages are under appalling conditions (adultery, abusiveness, etc.).

Again, I don't see what it is (other than gooberment benefits that were always granted at the expense of a minority of citizens) that so attracts the gays to marriage.

Just because someone tells you you can't have something doesn't actually make it worth wanting.

Conventional suburban homos with two kids and going to the PTA is an inane end to so-called gay rights. The right to be Rob and Laura Petrie? Seems odd to pine for the Ozzie and Harriet routine. I thought the queer theorists had a more interesting and radical vision. But it turns out the homos are even more pathetic than the straights have been.

I suppose the next aspiration after marriage for meguro is to become a Republican, maybe join a country club.

TooConservative posted on 2010-04-20 14:17:58 ET Reply Trace


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That last line is a killer. I suspect some of you remember the flamer, meguro, who posted here for a bit. He apparently decided that we didn't bow and scrape enough to him and quit posting here.

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

There already are Republican homosexuals; some of whom belong to country clubs.

Homosexuality is a human trait that is spread around humanity as randomly as any other trait like blue eyes or brown, or right handed or left handed. No one asks to be wired that way any more than they had a choice to be heterosexual.

In fact, it lost much it's stigma in current culture when research showed in a decisive way that that sexual proclivity has no bearing on how successful, decent or productive a person someone is in life.

It only becomes controversial when people use this variation of human sexual preference as a way to scare people enough to accept mindsets of political or religious thought they otherwise would not be open to.

It is used as a catalyst to promote paradigms.

Which is why when I hear someone crying wolf about the alleged danger of a gay or lesbian bogeyman, I know they are full of crap.

Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   11:44:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   12:03:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret, Eric Stratton (#3)

Homosexuality is a human trait that is spread around humanity as randomly as any other trait like blue eyes or brown, or right handed or left handed. No one asks to be wired that way any more than they had a choice to be heterosexual.

Gentlemen: I have had many years to consider homosexuality, being a native from the land of fruits and nuts, having several nephews who are gay, and having worked with lesbians in the legal profession.

From close, personal observations I find that homosexuality is generally a lifestyle, nothing more, nothing less. The wiring Ferret speaks of is their own personal history, of which there are as many as there are queers. For instance, two of my nephews' history was being raised by a mother who had given up a daughter at age 15. She raised those boys like the girl she had left behind. They wore tutus for dancing, applied makeup for looks, and played with dolls instead of trucks. Their Mom encouraged it by buying those things that a girl would find interesting.

Another nephew was raised in a very dysfunctional home, suffering physical abuse by his parents. He went off to college at age 18 and decided he liked the boys better than the girls. Having visited him on weekends for much of his time at college, I saw his play for attention from the girls be ignored, but witnessed the boys were overly attentive. He came home for vacation his last year of schooling and announced he was "gay".

Of all those homosexuals I have known in my lifetime in California, only one did I note was obviously "wired" as something different than who he/she/it was born. My opinion was derived from watching his body become shaped like a woman's, not a man's. When his mom caught him in womens clothing, she had him tested, both medically and psychologically. The medical doctor reported the level of female hormones in his body were such that, had the problem been detected at an early age, could have been corrected. Both the medical doctor and psychiatrist opined he would have a very difficult time readjusting if it were decided to correct the hormone imbalance. At age 18 he opted to have surgery and is a transgender woman.

The lesbians I have known have made their choices. As a matter of fact, there are more lesbians who have been married and then divorced and eventually took on a homosexual way of life than there were gays. That is not to say that the same has not occured in the gay community. It does, but not in the numbers that I found among lesbians.

The above opinion(s) are from personal contact and experience, not from the supposition of others.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-04-21   13:17:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Phant2000 (#14)

"The wiring Ferret speaks of is their own personal history"

I stopped reading right there, as that slander is from from a desire to be malicious and try to refute by claiming I am a homosexual.

I am always interested in respectful and lively debate or discussion. But I have no interest in being lied about.

Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   14:43:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret (#19)

I stopped reading right there, as that slander is from from a desire to be malicious and try to refute by claiming I am a homosexual.

Mike, read again. Phant wasn't referring to you personally, but to your statement about wiring in general.

christine  posted on  2010-04-21   14:59:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine, Phant2000, Original Intent (#21)

Thanks for the prompt. I am very tired of the usual knee jerk reaction to my opinion with slander aimed at me personally. So I'm sure you can understand how in the manner he frames his post I assumes this was yet again more of the same.

Non the less, I find his assumption that gay men are effeminate to be inaccurate. Most gay men are very macho and prefer male culture to feminine aspects of humanity.

Statistics in fact show more cross dressers to be heterosexual men who are turned on by females and feminine culture.

I also have been posting on forums a decade and a half. And in the years I have posted I have been on many thread on many topics, including this one. And to be successful at arguing my half of this debate, I have had to familiarize myself with APA research and papers on the topic. The same material so well researched impartially it removed the stigma of homosexuality enough mainstream culture, regulation and law protects them from the whims and caprice of people whose opinion stems from bigotry and falsehood that has no grounding in fact.

I respectfully note his citation used to support his argument regarding homosexuality is subjective and not objective.

If he has research to cite from sources that used scientific methodology to arrive at the same conclusions he supports, I would find that far more compelling than his tales of personal experience involving opinions and conclusions about a few people he knows.

I live in Oregon that had a great deal of destructive and counterproductive activity from the activity of a now defunct and discredited group called the Oregon Citizen's Alliance (OCA). I saw first hand how this issued used as a catalytic wedge to try to destroy liberal aspects of society by using fear and hatred to advance a far more conservative paradigm of culture in general society.

That also gave me strong opinions on the topic. I also have seen the gay label used to bully straight men who were short, slight in build and not popular. I know that the damage bullying can cause is underrated and under-appreciated.

People like OT are always willing to voice great fear of what homosexuality is allegedly doing to 'hurt' society at large, but are never willing to possibly erode their advocacy by taking on the use of the gay label as a bullying tactic.

I have confidence that research and rational debate will ultimately completely win out and we will see this contrived set of fears largely disappear into history. But that requires people to be informed enough and to care enough to argue their beliefs.

So I am sure that Phant will understand where my point of view comes from, and why in light of a great deal of slander directed at me I jumped to conclusions in my post to him that he was making a personal attack.

Ferret  posted on  2010-04-21   15:34:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret (#24)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-04-21   18:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

i have acute gaydar and have even seen it in very young children. an anecdote. my husband and i were vacationing in LA in the mid 80s. one of our favorite restaurants in Beverly Hills was Bono's (Sonny's). on one dining occasion, his daughter, Chastity, was hostessing. i believe she was 13 or 14 at the time. she had slightly androgynous physical characteristics. i assumed at the time that she was a lesbian. now, over the past couple of years as you may know, Chastity has been going through transsexual hormone therapy as well as sexual reassignment surgery.

i still maintain that in cases such as those i've seen that it's nature more than nurture.

christine  posted on  2010-04-21   19:16:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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