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Title: PC Alert: Rev. Franklin Graham Banned by the Pentagon for Telling the Truth About Islam
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Published: Apr 25, 2010
Author: Doug Giles
Post Date: 2010-04-25 09:11:58 by Eric Stratton
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PC Alert: Rev. Franklin Graham Banned by the Pentagon for Telling the Truth About Islam Franklin Graham, distinguished Christian minister and son of an American evangelical treasure (i.e. Billy Graham) was banned from praying at the Pentagon for their upcoming May 6th National Day of Prayer event because he called Islam “evil.” Apparently Franklin didn’t get the memo that we can’t say squat about Islam anymore. Oh, hell no. Muslims are groovy no matter what they do, and anyone who says otherwise … is … well … evil … in the eyes of the thought police who’re heading up the United States of Political Horse Smack. Check it out: When Muslims kill 3,000 Americans, we can’t call them “wicked.” When they abuse women, cut off little girls’ clitorises, stone unruly wives, honor kill their teenage daughters for texting someone not named Achmed, and keep precious women in stone-age bondage worldwide, we can’t say that’s BS because that might offend them. And God forbid we should offend folks who’re six bubbles off level and don’t get basic women’s rights. I’m scratching a bald spot on the back of my head on this one because we won’t put up with that bollocks with any other people or religion except with Islam; they get a free pass. Yes, we’re being whipped into believing that we’re misjudging them even though the preponderance of historical evidence indicates that those who believe they’re bogus are spot on. I think it is legitimately safe to say—and extremely sad to say—that Political Correctness has officially seeped its fetid sewage into the brass inside the beltway. Matter of fact, I’m wearing black today because I’m in mourning. As far as I’m concerned, it’s calamitous when the U.S. Army bans a solid Christian minister and upstanding citizen (who has added much to America’s Christian heritage and the well-being of millions of suffering people worldwide) from praying for our troops just because he called Muslim crap crap. You can read the full horror story here. Lastly, I’d like to thank Franklin for having the holy testosterone—amidst the many craven and neutered capitulating clerics, pundits and politicians across our land—to call Islam’s actions wicked because … duh … they are. Good job, old chap. It seems as if only South Park, Robert Spencer, David Horowitz, a smattering of other analysts (mostly women) and Graham will come out and verbally hammer these cats for their “faith”-inspired atrocities against non-Muslims and their own women. Oh, by the way: If you’re not convinced Islam is evil, check out this video.
Doug Giles
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#17. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
Having lived under it, I'd have to say that, on a day to day basis and for the average person constrained to live under its law, that it is no more anti-social than the world our European ancestors lived in under Christianity. The world our forbears lived in was governed by strictures that governed dress, worship, the proper comportment and roles of the sexes and adherence to the doctrine as practiced by one's sovereign. It is only very recently that Christianity might be practiced (or not) in relative freedom. For much of European history doctrinal impurity and the practice of variant forms of worship were more barbarically dealt with than they are in Saudi Arabia today. Compared to the way "Christians" treated their fellow Christians in times not long past, as you must well know, a simple and swift beheading seems almost humane. For maintaining, for example as some on this forum do, that salvation lies in reading Scripture oneself and coming to God through a personal understanding of it one could be put to trial and be subject to excruciating prosecution and punishments including excommunication and death. I see in history many "christianities" and many "islams" so to speak - some more humane than others, some much less so. One may selectively choose as one likes as to which variety will be employed to convict an entire faith. Disclaimer here: I hold no particular fondness for Islam. I've read large chunks of the Koran and find it rather dreary. I have no more desire to live in the 7th century than any other American does.
I see psyops everywhere.
What else could be expected from folks who think the insane ramblings of a pedophile (Mohammed) are actually messages from God?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I agree. Franklin Graham has done much to promote Christianity when he could have lived a life of luxury and never had to lift a finger if that was what he had chosen. I ain't down with the Pentagram dissing him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. franklin must have got the message from his dad's experience... When the tapes were publicly released, Graham stated, "[A]lthough I have no memory of the occasion, I deeply regret comments I apparently made... They do not reflect my views, and I sincerely apologize for any offense caused by the remarks,"[36] and "If it wasn't on tape, I would not have believed it. I guess I was trying to please... I went to a meeting with Jewish leaders and I told them I would crawl to them to ask their forgiveness."[37] According to Newsweek magazine, "[T]he shock of the revelation was magnified because of Graham's longtime support of Israel and his refusal to join in calls for conversion of the Jews."[37] In 2009 fresh tapes were released, in which Graham is heard in conversation with Nixon referring to Jews and "the synagogue of Satan." A spokesman for Graham said that Graham has never been an anti-Semite and that the comparison (in accord with the context of the quotation in the Book of Revelation) was directed specifically at those claiming to be Jews but not observing Jewish law. [38] Billy Graham wikipedia well, nevermind... franklin's only in it for the money, anyhow. just another looter
that conjures up a mental image to reckon with, doesnt it...? ...billy graham crawling up to these guys...
...or maybe this guy... or this guy...
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Islam was evil from the git-go; Christianity's been perverted.
“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”
...and judaism and jewishness are the pure essence of godly humanity, as demonstrated by israelis. good enough.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I'm an expert on results, and religious wackos of any flavor have done this country more harm than good I never said I'd never read the bible or taken bible classes, I've done both
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
More psychotic than the Inquisition and the Thirty Years War? I'll take the Gospels over the Koran any day, but the even Gospels have not prevented the purported followers of Christ from perfecting mechanized slaughter of their fellow man on a mass scale. I'll bet you - and it would be an interesting exercise to prove it - Christians have killed more Muslims than Muslims have killed Christians. Look at the mayhem that Americans have unleashed Iraq. THAT'S psychotic. A "Christian" nation. Thanks a bunch.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
"yet" nothing, I'll repeat myself for "Those who have eyes and cannot see" (read) I'm an expert on results, and religious wackos of any flavor have done this country more harm than good
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Not at all, what is your exact point and I'll address it once. Religious discussions bore the piss out of me, everybody is so friggin sure they're on the path to "heaven" and the rest of us are not Fire away, I'll be back later
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
NO. I'm just suggesting that Christians went along with these things. Just like the German went along with Hitler and Americans followed Curious George into two bloody and unnecessary wars. Where are the Christian voices? Few and far between. It appears that Christ's teachings are not strong enough to keep men from acting like beasts - worse than beasts. I should not continue this disquisition with you. I'm sorry for heaving the mud. I have my problems with Christianity, but I have to say that I believe that IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS BETWEEN US AND A SCIENTIFIC DICTATORSHIP. I should shut my mouth and speak no more about it. If I have offended Christians here in any way, I sincerely regret that. Accept my apologies.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
What, the real christian voices or the faux christian voices? You still haven't distinguished. As far as the war goes, I'll take any Christian voices, faux or real. But I don't hear any. That's ok. Our victims are just psychotic muslims. Drop bombs on them. Poke their eyes out. Break their children's bones. Burn them out of their homes. Xtians, covering themselves with glory. It's a great tradition.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
What about mine? I am a Christian and I have been against the war since its inception. And I am positive that I am not the only one who believes that you don't attack people who haven't harmed you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am not Christian, but I know a great many locally who were not only against both the current wars, but loath war in general. It really is not fair to use a road brush to paint Christians as generally being enthusiastic cheer leaders about war.
I sincerely thank you. I live in a sea of Christians here, though, who couldn't give a fig about what goes on in Iraq. In fact, if we dropped a bomb on that place and reduced it to cinders, that would be just fine with them, I am sure. I am sure from the conversations that I have with them. I try to limit my conversations with them because I know where that kind of conversation will lead. One wonders that God will not speak to them. I could post the pictures that I have posted a couple of times on sites, but I won't. I'll describe it instead. You might recognize it. It didn't receive quite the circulation of the photo of the hooded Iraqi standing on a crate with electrodes tapes to his fingers, but it made the rounds for a time. The photograph was of an elderly looking father holding the broken body of his daughter in the rubble of an American bombing. He is looking at her blood-stained face. What's left of her foot dangles from the bones of her leg. The picture haunts me. I wonder why. After all, she isn't my daughter, is she? To add to the insult, some believe that the soul of this girl is damned. Damned because she was born into a land with a psychotic religion which denies her salvation. Rotten luck for that little girl, no?
I see psyops everywhere.
I realize that I am being harsh, but that is due in large part to the area of the country that I live in. Fact is, the parts of the world where we wreak our most grievous destruction are places that are largely not Christian. (I'll have to except Clinton's wanton bombing of Orthodox Serbia here of course.) All of this is fine with most Christian Americans that I know. I will say one more provocative thing. In my extensive dealings with Muslims, I have found that a far, far greater percentage of them disavow terrorism practiced in the name of Islam than the proportion of God-fearing Americans that disown the institutionalized terror practiced by their own nation.
I see psyops everywhere.
The picture haunts me. I wonder why. After all, she isn't my daughter, is she? To add to the insult, some believe that the soul of this girl is damned. Damned because she was born into a land with a psychotic religion which denies her salvation. Rotten luck for that little girl, no? The photograph was of an elderly looking father holding the broken body of his daughter in the rubble of an American bombing. He is looking at her blood-stained face. What's left of her foot dangles from the bones of her leg. The picture haunts me. I wonder why. After all, she isn't my daughter, is she? To add to the insult, some believe that the soul of this girl is damned. Damned because she was born into a land with a psychotic religion which denies her salvation. Rotten luck for that little girl, no? I know exactly the picture you are talking about. I don't presume to know all of God's ways or his thoughts but let me tell you what I believe in regards to that little girl. She appeared to be very young and it is quite possible (even probable as young as she looked) that she had not reached the age of accountability. That is, old enough to recognize right from wrong and to reason it out. In my opinion children who never live long enough to reach that age are NOT going to hell. No one is responsible for more light than they have been given. But people who are old enough to know and who have rejected the light that has been given to them, that's another story.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That didn't suit me either. B@$tard got us involved in something that was none of our business and then put us on the wrong side. We should have minded our own business. But I reckon every president thinks he needs to send troops somewhere, even if it is to fight on the wrong side.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Yet that is just as fair as your depiction of Muslims. I'll repeat: In my extensive dealings with Muslims, I have found that a far, far greater percentage of them disavow terrorism practiced in the name of Islam than the proportion of God-fearing Americans that disown the institutionalized terror practiced by their own nation.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
What does your book tell you about idolaters? It doesn't tell you to treat them to movie and a dinner, does it? Look, I really have no "agenda." I should have kept my stupid mouth shut. I give a damn about Islam. But I've worked with a lot of Muslims, and I'll admit that the one's I've worked with are mostly above average people. I've found them to be more tolerant bunch than a lot of Westerners that I deal with. I have a sentimental attachment to Christianity that is daily worn thinner and thinner by seeing how the Anglo-American West puts the screws to the East and many self-righteous Christians chalk it up to some sort of just retribution upon the dumb brown followers of a medieval pedophile's prophesies. Sorry if I seem to have put all Christians in a box, but that is how most of my countrymen treat Muslims.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I do see a difference. I have a high degree of regard for the teachings of Jesus. I believe that most of the good that I see around me is due to respect for those teachings. But the New Book is welded to the Old. And a lot of what I see practiced by Christians in my neck of the woods relies on rationalizations extrapolated from the OT, which bears some resemblance in its outlook and teachings to the Koran. And I don't think that idolaters are very gently treated in that book either.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
It is very much so, and I am almost sorry that I broached some of the topics here. It's not easy to talk about these things. I'll tell you my agenda here. My agenda is about the many fine Muslim people that I've worked with over the years, none of whom had the slightest desire to slay me or even convert me. You have to ask why that is so in light of many of the injunctions from the Koran which you have published above. The truth is that the vast majority of Muslims see many of the verses that you quote as directed at the followers of Mohammad who were in a state of war with the prevailing powers that be with whom his generation of disciples were at war. The brute logic of war dictates that one deals with one's enemies before one is dealt with, and the blood of Mohammad and his people would have soaked the ground if they had lost the battle. (What this fight was about is a long story that we can discuss some other time.) The Muslims that I've known, however, do not feel enjoined to kill or hurt others. The truth is that most Muslims do not feel enjoined to kill or hurt others. The problem admittedly is that it is not difficult to preach a much more militant line from the very same verses in your post. From my point of view, that is the great fault in the Islamic religion. I have great regard, on the other hand, for the Gospels and for the pacifist teaching embodied in Matthew that you quoted in your post. Christianity, whatever its later history, was born in pacifism and peace. Islam in contrast was born in war. You may call it terrorism, but remember that one man's war is another man's terrorism. It necessarily became a war for survival once the proto-Muslims had staked out their moral and political position vis a vis the local lords that were running things at the time in Arabia. Be that as it may be, I find the Christian ethic to be infinitely superior that of Islam, and it is precisely Matthew that I mean and which forms the outlook that I have on life. There is nothing within the covers of the Koran that can replace those words for me. I should not have taken the trouble to write all this stuff to you if it weren't for those same lines from the New Testament. Whether intended or not, it is precisely the other rhetoric that I've seen here, like that of a "psychotic religion" and a religion of "terrorism and pedophilia" that gives Americans license to dehumanize the people of the East and trample across that chessboard over there as if it were our own property. This is the sort of talk that the neo-cons feed the plebs. A young Iraqi guy said to me recently, "Things are pretty quiet where I live." (He lives in Kurdistan.) "But," he went on, "from time to time we here frightening stories." He was talking about the kicking in of doors, the rapes and the shootings carried out by our troops. They're the stories that make page 39 of the Sunday papers if we read about them at all here. I believe that it will be generations before we are ever again held in high regard by folks in Iraq and by their neighbors. That is in large part so because we took upon ourselves to act like a horde of marauding bandits and not at all like the "Christians" we hold ourselves out to be.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Over and out.
I see psyops everywhere.
A most excellent way to end a discussion. Good job.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Peace, bro & like that.
I see psyops everywhere.
But tell me, do you not view Islam as a dangerous philosophy, or at least an anti-social one?
#18. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
And God forbid we should offend folks who’re six bubbles off level
Lord Acton
#19. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Matter of fact, I’m wearing black today because I’m in mourning. As far as I’m concerned, it’s calamitous when the U.S. Army bans a solid Christian minister and upstanding citizen (who has added much to America’s Christian heritage and the well-being of millions of suffering people worldwide) from praying for our troops just because he called Muslim crap crap.
Lord Acton
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
(Edited)
life of luxury
In 2002, declassified "Richard Nixon tapes" confirmed remarks made by Graham to President Nixon three decades earlier. Captured on the tapes, Graham agreed with Nixon that Jews control the American media, calling it a "stranglehold" during a 1972 conversation with Nixon.[34] These remarks were characterized as anti-Semitic by Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League [17] and evangelical author Richard Land.[35]
...but then franklin gets doublecrossed by the pentagon... what the fuck is going on around here?
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
(Edited)
"I would crawl to them to ask their forgiveness..."
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
#23. To: Flintlock (#12)
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
#25. To: Turtle (#24)
(Edited)
Islam was evil from the git-go; Christianity's been perverted...
#26. To: Turtle (#24)
#27. To: Eric Stratton (#23)
Yet, and amazingly, you're an expert on both, right.
I don't own a Koran either, but I've read almost all of it.
Most of my Bible reading these days I do online.
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)
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The message of Mohammed and Islam and the Koran is anti-social, psychotic, and oppressive.
#29. To: Flintlock (#27)
#30. To: randge (#28)
#31. To: Eric Stratton (#29)
Yet, ...
#32. To: Flintlock (#31)
#33. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
And a novice, apparently, at discerning the actual causes.
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#30)
Are you suggesting that those are consistent with the teachings and commandments of Christ?
#35. To: Flintlock (#33)
#36. To: randge (#34)
#37. To: Eric Stratton (#36)
(Edited)
Where are the Christian voices? Few and far between.
#38. To: randge (#37)
#39. To: randge (#37)
As far as the war goes, I'll take any Christian voices, faux or real.
Lord Acton
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#38)
TEXT DOLPHIN To 44144
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
#42. To: Eric Stratton (#38)
#43. To: randge (#41)
The photograph was of an elderly looking father holding the broken body of his daughter in the rubble of an American bombing. He is looking at her blood-stained face. What's left of her foot dangles from the bones of her leg.
Lord Acton
#44. To: randge (#42)
(I'll have to except Clinton's wanton bombing of Orthodox Serbia here of course.)
Lord Acton
#45. To: Ferret (#40)
#46. To: Eric Stratton (#45)
#47. To: randge (#42)
#48. To: Eric Stratton (#47)
then slay the idolaters wherever you find them,
#49. To: randge (#48)
#50. To: Eric Stratton (#49)
And you see no difference. Whatever randge. Whatever my friend.
#51. To: randge (#50)
#52. To: Eric Stratton (#49)
But it makes it terminally difficult to have a serious conversation on the matter.
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
#53. To: randge (#52)
#54. To: Eric Stratton (#53)
#55. To: Eric Stratton, randge (#53)
#56. To: randge (#54)
#57. To: Eric Stratton (#56)
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