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Title: Arizona immigration law could drive (Illegal Alien) Latinos out of state
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... -migrants-leaving-arizona.html
Published: Apr 28, 2010
Author: Daniel González
Post Date: 2010-04-28 04:28:01 by hondo68
Keywords: Illegal, Alien, Invader, Criminals
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Comments: 295
Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob. Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state." Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave. And it isn't just illegal immigrants: Legal residents and U.S. citizens also say they will leave Arizona because they view the state as unfriendly to Hispanics. Arizona's new immigration law is not so much about using local police to round up and deport as many of the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state as possible, said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, it's about creating so much fear they will leave on their own. The strategy is known as "attrition through enforcement," and it is a factor behind every one of the anti-illegal-immigration laws passed so far, said Kavanagh, a main supporter of the bill and a criminal-justice professor at Scottsdale Community College. "That means that rather than conducting large-scale active roundups of illegal immigrants, our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," he said. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own." When that happens, he said, crime and taxes will go down. But Kavanagh said he is worried about legal immigrants and U.S. citizens also leaving. "I'm concerned about legal residents who are unnecessarily leaving the state because they have bought into a lot of the misinformation about this bill," Kavanagh said. Phoenix resident Javier Collazo, 18, a U.S. citizen who was born in California, said he is worried police may question him about his immigration status because of his appearance. He is also worried that he could be arrested under a provision of the law that makes it a crime to transport undocumented immigrants. His in-laws are undocumented, and so are several of his friends. Kavanagh said legal residents and U.S. citizens have nothing to worry about. The law strictly prohibits racial profiling. And the transporting provision is aimed at human smugglers and other criminals, not people giving rides to undocumented relatives, he said. "They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble. They also should know that once by attrition or by enforcement we significantly reduce the number of illegals in this state, taxes are going to go down and crime is going to go down. So, it will be a better place to live for everybody." How many Latinos may leave Arizona is unknown. But the state's economy, which has hit Latinos disproportionately hard, combined with the new law, has made living in Arizona intolerable, many Hispanics said this week. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country without legal papers and lets police question people about their immigration status if officers have reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. An anti-smuggling provision makes it a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision. Others, like Miranda, are already packing their bags. Many said they will move to another state. Few said they will return to Mexico. Not just illegal immigrants are leaving, and the sudden loss of large numbers of people could hurt the state's already dismal economy. José Mendez, an economics professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, said the state's economic recovery could be hampered by the large-scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, the price of services "will definitely be higher," he said. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding, Mendez added. There may also be a loss of sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue, he said. "They pay taxes every time they buy food at the 7-Eleven or when they buy gasoline," he said. Mendez also said that, in the short term, undocumented immigrants tend to be a drain on public services because they have low-paying jobs and therefore pay little income taxes. But, in the long run, their U.S.-born children tend to offset those costs through higher-paying jobs and higher taxes. "So on net, when you take those two, empirical studies have shown, they pay more in taxes than the value of services they receive," Mendez said. State Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Tolleson, said the large-scale loss of people could hurt already fragile communities. "It could destabilize neighborhoods," he said. Miranda said he spent 2 1/2 hours Saturday walking through largely Latino neighborhoods in Maryvale and west Phoenix. He said he met Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Filipinos and other people of color, the majority of them U.S. citizens. "They are all really concerned about the new law," he said. "The stress and intimidation makes people fearful." Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Adamaris, who asked that her last name not be used because she is afraid of being deported, said she plans to wait two months to see if the law survives legal challenges before deciding whether to leave. Glendale resident John Zavala, 32, was born in Mexico City but has lived in the United States most of his life. He is a legal resident of the United States and moved from Chicago to Phoenix in 2003 because he liked the weather. But Zavala said he thinks the political climate in the state has turned inhospitable toward Latinos. If the hostility continues, Zavala said, he will leave Arizona. "I always carry my green card," said Zavala, a computer-network analyst. "Until this point, I've never had to use it. But from now on, I guess I will."
Adriana Miranda, an undocumented immigrant, tearfully says she's leaving Arizona.
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#82. To: Flintlock (#77)
Yeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwww ...
"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I can't handle the truth!!
I see psyops everywhere.
Then you aren't hungry.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb. It is on my ignore list.
The Arizona law I doubt seriously will last. I know that if that state tries to hand over immigrants to the Federal Government, I hope they do the principled thing and refuse to accept them from state government people.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
After the U.S. Government stole and murdered in the 1830s Trail of Tears relocation of Southeastern Native Americans, they lost all moral authority to act like they are better then illegal immigrants from the south. It is a problem that should be addressed with a fair amnesty that requires accountability and deny people with mental and legal problems from entering or staying. But I don't find this a point of outrage considering we have no room to pretend we have the moral edge in the issue. I have no problem with people staying if there is an amnesty, and they meet the requirements. My opinion is in no way changing on this.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I agree. His cognitive dissonance or worship of a man because he is black has blinded him to any reason on the issue of where the man is actually from. You know that when someone has never met another person and that other person's own wife says he was born in a foreign country and he still refuses to believe it there is something seriously wrong.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Arator did finally admit he was wrong. That is more than Ferret has done or seems willing to do.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. How is it that YOU know more than Michelle? See, it doesn't matter that the First Wookie even admitted he was from Kenya. He is black and seems to be McCarthy's hero for that reason.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The closed businesses downtown is a problem that has been around since Valley River Center opened in 1970-71. It got worse when they eliminated the Down Town free parking program instituted to try to combat the flight of business to VRC. The business did not vanish, the center of gravity of it moved. This has happened historically before too when it shifted from where Alton Baker Park is to the current down town shown in the whine video. Also student enrollment has exploded, and there is a boom in apartment building to accommodate this. 'building is up, with the city planning on increasing the size of the urban growth boundary 15 percent to accommodate anticipated population growth over the next 15 years. Eugene is doing just fine, Springfield which is our next door neighbor city is growing much faster ads it is a blue collar community and traditionally has had less hoops to jump through to build there. I know this guy, and if you want, I'll go ask him if he wants to debate me and put the video on You Tube. I know him. He is a conservative from the Bethel District of Eugene. He is not up to speed on things, and I would be happy to ping you to stories as they occur that prove my contention. We also are close to finishing an approx. 200 million basketball arena on Franklin Blvd. for the UO Ducks, and Autzen Stadium was expanded in a major way a few years ago.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I rescued a book out of the trash last year or so. I just started reading it. It is called bury my heart at wounded knee. It tells the history of how the indians lost their land between roughly civil war time until about 1890. It is a very good book. I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in that kind of stuff. Very sad too.
He should be shot at dawn. After he collapses ... let the illegals place his body parts on spikes for the buzzards to pick at. I want nothing to do with him.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I never knew you were a murderer at heart.
I want to diminish all of mankind from the swelling BILLIONS of mouth breathers akin to you. Then again, you didn't read what I have said for years.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
God is always good!
Back on the bozo list for you. A spammer of crap, that's about all you can contribute.
God is always good!
Until some judge strikes it down. It is much easier to bribe a single judge, then to bribe all the state legislatures required to stop such laws.
God is always good!
Praise GOD!
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Exactly. Apparently (even though he hasn't said it), the weasel's argument is that Obama is insane. Nothing else would explain someone spending upwards, or more than, 2 million dollars if they had nothing to hide. If he isn't certifiably insane then he is hiding something and something big, probably that he was not born in the US.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You sound more and more like a stupid liberal. You champion so many liberal causes. If you think we are overpopulated you should start with yourself and your family.
Did you waste your vote on John McCain, a known traitor to the USA? You FUCKING HYPOCRITE.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I am with you folks on Obama being a foreigner. I suspect he wont be going to Arizona. But where do you get this 2.5 million figure. Do you have a reputable source?
Jose and Carlos are panhandlers...... They panhandle on different areas of town. Carlos panhandles just as long as Jose but only collects 2 to 3 dollars every day. Jose brings home a suitcase FULL of $10 bills, drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has a lot of money to spend. Carlos says to Jose "I work just as long and hard as you do but how do you bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day?". Jose says, "Look at your sign, what does it say"? Carlos sign reads 'I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support." Jose says " No wonder you only get $2-3 dollars" Carlos says... "So what does your sign say"? Jose shows Carlos his sign...... It reads, "I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Truly a beast.
nice
When He Arrives He Decides To Go To A Bar When He Comes Out He Wonders What Time It Is. So He Sees A Mexican With A Donkey At The End Of The Parking Lot "hey Senor What Time Is It"the Man Asks so The Mexican Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them Up And Says "um Bout 2:30" the Man Wonders How He Did It So He Decides To Ask Him Again "hey Senor What Time Is It" and Again He Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them And Replies "um Bout 2:45" the Man Decides To Ask Him How He Did It "hey Senor How Do You Know What Time It Is By Grabin A Donkeys Balls"? the Mexican Motions The Man Over The Man Walks Over The Mexican Lifts Up The Donkeys Balls And Says "um You See Dat Clock Over Der" "Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
You fucking traitor.... you are worse than some of the scum I kick off the bottom of my shoes after walking in horseshit taming a filly.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
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#83. To: Flintlock, noone222, buckeroo (#77)
Arizona's gonna round'em up
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#84. To: hondo68 (#83)
Here is the truth about America ...
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#88. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
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#90. To: abraxas (#79)
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#91. To: buckeroo (#76)
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#92. To: Ferret (#90)
This happening in Eugene Oregon, too.....
#93. To: Ferret (#91)
#94. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#73)
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#96. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
Yes. He joins a small, select group of leftists. Time is short and on this issue, we have the momentum. Mike Alinsky is a time sponge.
Lord Acton
#97. To: buckeroo, Arator (#76)
I noticed you missed Arator that has BSed his way through your life. Got time to make a comment?
Lord Acton
#98. To: abraxas (#79)
Hmmmmmm.......could you source this knowledge? Who did the checking? When did they check? Even his wife says that Kenya is his home country.
Lord Acton
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#101. To: buckeroo (#93)
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#104. To: Ferret (#101)
UO Ducks
#105. To: Ferret (#91)
The Arizona law I doubt seriously will last
#106. To: Ferret (#94)
#107. To: James Deffenbach, Arator (#97)
Arator did finally admit he was wrong.
#108. To: buckeroo (#107)
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#110. To: Ferret (#90)
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb.
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#112. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
the AZ law is law and is about to go viral.
#113. To: RickyJ (#111)
#114. To: RickyJ (#110)
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
Lord Acton
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#116. To: A K A Stone (#115)
You sound more and more like a stupid liberal.
#117. To: James Deffenbach, RickyJ (#114)
#118. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, RickyJ, A K A Stone (#116)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#119. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
the First Wookie
#120. To: farmfriend (#118)
#121. To: farmfriend (#118)
Jokes .. to simmer the thread a wee bit....
A Man Who Drives A Semi Back And Forth To Mexico and Indiana Is Driving To Mexico.
#122. To: A K A Stone (#120)
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