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Title: Arizona immigration law could drive (Illegal Alien) Latinos out of state
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... -migrants-leaving-arizona.html
Published: Apr 28, 2010
Author: Daniel González
Post Date: 2010-04-28 04:28:01 by hondo68
Keywords: Illegal, Alien, Invader, Criminals
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Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob. Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state." Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave. And it isn't just illegal immigrants: Legal residents and U.S. citizens also say they will leave Arizona because they view the state as unfriendly to Hispanics. Arizona's new immigration law is not so much about using local police to round up and deport as many of the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state as possible, said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, it's about creating so much fear they will leave on their own. The strategy is known as "attrition through enforcement," and it is a factor behind every one of the anti-illegal-immigration laws passed so far, said Kavanagh, a main supporter of the bill and a criminal-justice professor at Scottsdale Community College. "That means that rather than conducting large-scale active roundups of illegal immigrants, our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," he said. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own." When that happens, he said, crime and taxes will go down. But Kavanagh said he is worried about legal immigrants and U.S. citizens also leaving. "I'm concerned about legal residents who are unnecessarily leaving the state because they have bought into a lot of the misinformation about this bill," Kavanagh said. Phoenix resident Javier Collazo, 18, a U.S. citizen who was born in California, said he is worried police may question him about his immigration status because of his appearance. He is also worried that he could be arrested under a provision of the law that makes it a crime to transport undocumented immigrants. His in-laws are undocumented, and so are several of his friends. Kavanagh said legal residents and U.S. citizens have nothing to worry about. The law strictly prohibits racial profiling. And the transporting provision is aimed at human smugglers and other criminals, not people giving rides to undocumented relatives, he said. "They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble. They also should know that once by attrition or by enforcement we significantly reduce the number of illegals in this state, taxes are going to go down and crime is going to go down. So, it will be a better place to live for everybody." How many Latinos may leave Arizona is unknown. But the state's economy, which has hit Latinos disproportionately hard, combined with the new law, has made living in Arizona intolerable, many Hispanics said this week. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country without legal papers and lets police question people about their immigration status if officers have reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. An anti-smuggling provision makes it a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision. Others, like Miranda, are already packing their bags. Many said they will move to another state. Few said they will return to Mexico. Not just illegal immigrants are leaving, and the sudden loss of large numbers of people could hurt the state's already dismal economy. José Mendez, an economics professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, said the state's economic recovery could be hampered by the large-scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, the price of services "will definitely be higher," he said. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding, Mendez added. There may also be a loss of sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue, he said. "They pay taxes every time they buy food at the 7-Eleven or when they buy gasoline," he said. Mendez also said that, in the short term, undocumented immigrants tend to be a drain on public services because they have low-paying jobs and therefore pay little income taxes. But, in the long run, their U.S.-born children tend to offset those costs through higher-paying jobs and higher taxes. "So on net, when you take those two, empirical studies have shown, they pay more in taxes than the value of services they receive," Mendez said. State Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Tolleson, said the large-scale loss of people could hurt already fragile communities. "It could destabilize neighborhoods," he said. Miranda said he spent 2 1/2 hours Saturday walking through largely Latino neighborhoods in Maryvale and west Phoenix. He said he met Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Filipinos and other people of color, the majority of them U.S. citizens. "They are all really concerned about the new law," he said. "The stress and intimidation makes people fearful." Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Adamaris, who asked that her last name not be used because she is afraid of being deported, said she plans to wait two months to see if the law survives legal challenges before deciding whether to leave. Glendale resident John Zavala, 32, was born in Mexico City but has lived in the United States most of his life. He is a legal resident of the United States and moved from Chicago to Phoenix in 2003 because he liked the weather. But Zavala said he thinks the political climate in the state has turned inhospitable toward Latinos. If the hostility continues, Zavala said, he will leave Arizona. "I always carry my green card," said Zavala, a computer-network analyst. "Until this point, I've never had to use it. But from now on, I guess I will."
Adriana Miranda, an undocumented immigrant, tearfully says she's leaving Arizona.
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#107. To: James Deffenbach, Arator (#97)
He should be shot at dawn. After he collapses ... let the illegals place his body parts on spikes for the buzzards to pick at. I want nothing to do with him.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I never knew you were a murderer at heart.
I want to diminish all of mankind from the swelling BILLIONS of mouth breathers akin to you. Then again, you didn't read what I have said for years.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
God is always good!
Back on the bozo list for you. A spammer of crap, that's about all you can contribute.
God is always good!
Until some judge strikes it down. It is much easier to bribe a single judge, then to bribe all the state legislatures required to stop such laws.
God is always good!
Praise GOD!
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Exactly. Apparently (even though he hasn't said it), the weasel's argument is that Obama is insane. Nothing else would explain someone spending upwards, or more than, 2 million dollars if they had nothing to hide. If he isn't certifiably insane then he is hiding something and something big, probably that he was not born in the US.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You sound more and more like a stupid liberal. You champion so many liberal causes. If you think we are overpopulated you should start with yourself and your family.
Did you waste your vote on John McCain, a known traitor to the USA? You FUCKING HYPOCRITE.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I am with you folks on Obama being a foreigner. I suspect he wont be going to Arizona. But where do you get this 2.5 million figure. Do you have a reputable source?
Jose and Carlos are panhandlers...... They panhandle on different areas of town. Carlos panhandles just as long as Jose but only collects 2 to 3 dollars every day. Jose brings home a suitcase FULL of $10 bills, drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has a lot of money to spend. Carlos says to Jose "I work just as long and hard as you do but how do you bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day?". Jose says, "Look at your sign, what does it say"? Carlos sign reads 'I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support." Jose says " No wonder you only get $2-3 dollars" Carlos says... "So what does your sign say"? Jose shows Carlos his sign...... It reads, "I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Truly a beast.
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When He Arrives He Decides To Go To A Bar When He Comes Out He Wonders What Time It Is. So He Sees A Mexican With A Donkey At The End Of The Parking Lot "hey Senor What Time Is It"the Man Asks so The Mexican Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them Up And Says "um Bout 2:30" the Man Wonders How He Did It So He Decides To Ask Him Again "hey Senor What Time Is It" and Again He Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them And Replies "um Bout 2:45" the Man Decides To Ask Him How He Did It "hey Senor How Do You Know What Time It Is By Grabin A Donkeys Balls"? the Mexican Motions The Man Over The Man Walks Over The Mexican Lifts Up The Donkeys Balls And Says "um You See Dat Clock Over Der" "Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
You fucking traitor.... you are worse than some of the scum I kick off the bottom of my shoes after walking in horseshit taming a filly.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Exactly how does your mind work to tell me that I am a traitor from what I said.
i love that punchline.
You must be a traitor. At least according to bucky
I said upwards of 2 million. I am sure it is probably more by now but the last figures I saw were approaching 2 million. Obama’s Eligibility: Here’s Your Sign! Categories: Columns by Tim Baldwin In a recent article written by JB Williams entitled, “DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office,”[1] Williams highlights some facts signaling that the federal government, the main-stream media and those closely related to both know that Barak Obama is ineligible to be the President of the United States of America under the U.S. Constitution. Williams cites these facts in support of his assertion: -Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party did not certify that Obama qualified to run as a candidate for President of the U.S., but only that Obama was the Democratic Party candidate; -the news media previously and numerously referred to Obama as “Kenya-born” before he ran for President. Afterwards, “Kenya-born” was dropped; -Obama has spent over 2 million dollars in hiding what they say exists (his birth certificate) and supposedly have in hand; -the Justice Department is doing everything they possibly can to keep Americans from pursing Obama’s eligibility in court; -federal judges have dismissed over 400 hundred court cases on Obama’s eligibility, ruling that these citizens do not have standing to know who is acting as President of the U.S.; -Michelle Obama has described Barak’s home as being the country of Kenya; Williams is not alone, of course, in the conclusion that Obama is an illegitimate President and that his illegitimacy is being covered up by Congress, the federal courts, those in the Republican and Democratic national parties and others. Ever since Obama campaigned for U.S. President, millions in America have raised his eligibility as a fundamental concern for the integrity of the U.S. Constitution and rule of law, all to no avail. It is not only “average Joe” who believes Obama is illegitimate, but state governments are expressing the same notion. The state of Arizona has recently passed a law, expected to be signed by the governor, which declares that Barak Obama must prove his U.S. citizenship before being permitted to be on the ballot in 2012.[2] Many states are expected to follow Arizona’s lead of resistance to unlawful federal actions, just as so many states are doing lately on many different fronts (thankfully!). Given these serious insinuations believed by many millions of Americans concerning Obama’s illegitimacy and concerning its cover up, that more serious deductions and conclusions are not being raised–at least publicly–surprises me. Consider what is really implied about Obama’s ineligibility and the cover up by those in the federal government, the main-stream media and the two major political parties. The cut-to-the-chase conclusion underlying this whole ordeal is that the United States government is completely and utterly illegitimate and reeks of bad faith and intent. Any other conclusion is very difficult to believe, using logic and reason. How can the people have any confidence, trust or loyalty whatsoever to a federal system of government that is covering up and perpetuating one of the most audacious and bold lies concerning one of the most simple and clear of constitutional matters? How can the people put any hope in restoring freedom by voting for any person associated with the two major parties that are intrinsically linked to the cover up of Obama’s eligibility? How can the people believe one word coming from any main-stream news source, which are in bed with both political parties? How can the states submit to any federal laws coming from such a government? How can the states remain in such a union under such a regime? Do not be deceived: if Obama is an illegitimate President because he was born in Kenya or some other foreign country, it is not his dirty little secret alone. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who know and are in positions of the so-called highest power. Insultingly so, this matter does not involve some complex legal issue for some “supreme” tribunal of life-term judges to decide. This is simply a matter of, SHOW ME YOUR CITIZENSHIP! This is simply a matter of providing what you say already exists. Any idiot is capable of doing this. In fact, most states now require that you provide proof of your birth certificate to be able to obtain a drivers license. Yet somehow the President of the United States is exempt from providing America (those who “license” any person to hold office) the same proof when the importance of Obama’s proving the same is of much higher and greater importance that it is literally comparing a pebble to the Rocky Mountains. That a person would spend millions of dollars to conceal a document allegedly in hand and in existence reeks of dishonesty, corruption and conspiracy. That the Justice Department would spend thousands of man-hours and millions of tax-dollars to prevent a court from ordering Obama to provide this proof is the epitome of suspicion and presumptive proof of illegitimacy. I dare ask the question: who in their right mind would desire to reconcile with a federal government of that sort, especially given the track record of the federal government since 1865? (No, this is not about the Democratic Party: it is about the federal system.) What person who desires a free government and society would hold the belief that such a government is worthy of anything other than your separation from it? This matter goes to the very heart of consent-of-the-governed and a free state and people. Assume that Obama shows America his birth certificate, and come to find out, his birth certificate proves he is a natural born U.S. citizen. What is to be said of the hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars that were spent to keep America from seeing what they are entitled to see? What is to be said of the federal system that hid the proof from America for so long? What is to be said of the news media who mocked all of you “crazy ‘birthers’” as conspiratorial nut-jobs for making such an issue of Obama’s citizenship? What is to be said of the two major political parties (on the national level) that only perpetuated the mystery and contributed to the shamefulness of the cover up? However, that Obama is legitimate is not the assumption at this point. The assumption held by literally millions of Americans–and now, state governments–is that the person sitting as President of the United States of America is illegitimate–and consequently, implying the corruption, degradation and tyranny of the federal regime. This assumption necessarily carries with it the presumption that the entire federal government is complicit in Obama’s unlawful command of the executive branch. We know that Congressman Bill Posey (FL – R) introduced a bill[3] (along with eleven co-sponsors) that would require any future candidate for President to prove his eligibility under HR 1503, which states: “in the case of a principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President, a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under section 5 of article II of the Constitution.’” But, we have yet to see what shall come of that bill. Meanwhile, Obama still acts as President. Troops continue to be deployed. Wars fought. Lives lost. Taxes spent. Laws passed and signed. Freedom lost. All the while, the States are, through their independent state sovereignty actions, having to spend billions of dollars in justifiably resisting the horrific demonstrations of federal tyranny, as if the people of the states are not suffering economically enough as it is. Moreover, this matter of Obama’s eligibility reaches deeper than even the conspiracy of cover up by the federal government and others: it reaches to the roots of society itself. Consider that some 64 million people voted for a man who presumably does not even qualify to be President. Yet, they do not even care. They celebrated in November 2008 as the man they voted for promised America a transparent federal government. There was now going to be “change we can believe in!” Yet, when asked to produce proof that Obama is eligible to be President, 64 million people come to his defense, including those in the federal government and main-stream media, calling anyone who would dare broach the subject as a right-wing conspirator, psychopath. Truth be known, they do not care that Obama is or is not eligible, and they certainly do not care whether the U.S. Constitution is complied with according to its true meaning. The only concern is “might makes right.” He won, and that’s that. Now we have Obama-care and free health insurance! Oh! What a beautiful utopia we live in! How can freedom survive in that climate? It is already gasping for air as it is being drowned in the ocean created by indifference, lethargy, self-interest, corruption, ambition and greed. How can a union of fifty states so divided remain in such an opposed and depraved state? It is being held together now only by the fear that the federal government will seek and destroy any state who secedes. (Oh, what a benevolent master we serve!) How can a Republic stand for the principle of self-government in that environment? As the evidence is unfolding, the conclusion is freedom cannot survive, such a union will not remain, and a Republic will not stand in the current conditions. (See my article, Plan For Freedom, for further discussion on, “Will America breakup?”) So, when you consider Obama’s eligibility, look beyond the birth certificate and look at the actual sign: the federal government and system is as illegitimate as Obama is. [1] JB Williams, “DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office,” Canada Free Press (April 20, 2010), found at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221. For a follow up article by the same author, see, JB Williams, “The Bottom Line on Natural Born Citizen,” Canada Free Press (April 21, 2010), found at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22262. [2] AP Report, “Ariz House: Check Obama’s Citizenship,” KPHO.com Phoenix News, (April 19, 2010), found at http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html [3] H.R. 1503: To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act, 111th Congress, 2009-2010 Session, found at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503 Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Good joke.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. As I heard a young guy say one time, "She's heinous, man, heinous!"
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are much more. You are a treacherous asshole attempting to cram down my (or anyone's throats) your belief in Christianity and Zionism and McCainism and Palanism... much less GOPism. Go fuck yourself.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I believe it would if you or someone you knew became a statistic of Illegal Alien Crime. You see, 3 years ago, my place of business was broken into. Nearly everything of value stolen. Tools, you name it. Guess who was responsible? Illegal Alien Day Laborers that the building maintenance people hired to fix some pipes in the basement. My place of business was on the 4th floor. 2 years ago, I was in a car accident. An illegal alien hit my vehicle while I was parked in a parking lot. He was drunk as well. Guess who got to pay for the deductible? Me. 3 weeks ago, illegal alien day laborers broke into my garage looking for tools to steal. There was nothing. They were arrested 2 days ago after being caught breaking into a garage up the block. Now, if these scumbags were to tear up your property, steal your stuff, rape your wife daughter or sister, your mind would change pretty fucking quickly Mike. I used to be fairly tolerant of people coming to this country. I am no longer tolerant, and why? Because in addition to all the repairs and insurance premiums these assholes have cost me, my tax dollars subsidize their fucking welfare too. I have a real problem rewarding people for criminal behavior don't you? Because it's not about a Moral Issue. It's a LEGAL issue. Which is where your line of thinking is completely in error.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Exactly. To Mike anyone that does not agree with him is a racist, bigot etc etc. He is unable to look beyond his own personal lifestyle and thus applies it to everyone else.
I worked five years in the seventies and eighties on and off at 7 Eleven Stores and have been robbed at gunpoint five times, all robbers were native born. My ID was stolen by a native born crankster gangster named Dale Allan Beatty of Cottage Grove and I was arrested as alias my name and spent a night in the Lane County Jail and four days a New Year's Day weekend in the Pierce County Correctional Confinement Facility when he used my license up in Washington State for his failure to appear on a suspended license charge. Sure I was suspended in Oregon at the time as I was not going to pay for an SR 22 filing when I mostly rode bicycles anyway. I have been stolen from by break in by a New Yorker who was a former housemate; native born, and he was caught. I really sympathize, but to me a criminal is a criminal, whether he is an American in Northern Georgia robbing a farm and or raping a wife of a Cherokee farmer off fighting for the U.S. in the Seminole Wars in Florida in the early 1800s which many did, and had happen while gone, or was a Mexican illegal stealing from you, or a Crankster Gangster making my life a horror story. I judge them by their criminality, not by who they are or where they are from.
Inaccurate. If you use race or ethnic background to steal the social standing and well being of an individual or group of people, you are being a bigot. Nice fairy tale, you tell; ut it does not apply to me,
It is indeed an excellent book. Glad you got your tag fixed, and since you are being civil, sorry I snarled at you yesterday. The civility is noted and appreciated.
*sigh* With all due respect, I am flat tired of that nonsense. I will see if I can find one of the many times I have responded exactly the same thing on that and will ping you to it. That should not be too hard. I do not agree with you, and if you do not agree with what I wrote I will ping you to, it is surely your right to.
PictureEugene/ the vortex This is a you tube search words: ":Picture Eugene" from my friend Tim Lewis, enjoy; I was here at this fete. Some nice scenes of cops getting chased and having things thrown at them.
The only and last jobs you've ever had.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
The 1997 Eugene Tree Riot. The biggest story of the year here. That was one of my least fun extractions from a tree I was sitting in. This is also by Tim Lewis of Cop Watch/Cascadia Forest Defenders.
I am beginning to distrust you, Mike. You would defend a tree and you would defend illegals. There is something ironic with the way you consider the world .... but you won't defend PEOPLE that are native to America.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I judge them by their criminality, not by who they are or where they are from. Entering our country illegally is a felony. That's about as criminal as it gets. You want to talk about how you're about the law, and fairness? You need to stop rationalizing criminal behavior. A criminal is a criminal no matter where they're from right? Well then. Since it's about the law, and about fairness, and we're not judging people by where they're from, then lets start rounding up these criminal felons, and either deporting them, or imprisoning them instead of rewarding them. Because that is the RIGHT thing to do in this case. If we adopted Mexico's immigration policy, these people wouldn't even be here.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Buckeroo you are an asshole. The world will be better off when you are no longer breathing. Ok asshole.
No problem.
Mike... Just for once, accept the result of what you project. Mike is right, EVERYONE else is wrong, always?????
I am human, thus it is impossible to always be right, but in this case I see this as a break down in communication where something is getting lost in the translation. I just don't judge people by the color of their skin, or their ethnic background. For example, unless my nose is rubbed in it for what to me is an exercise in obsessive compulsive behavior that has no point to it, I just see Barrack Obama, the man who worked long and hard to get elected as president and succeeded. I don't care what country his Dad came from. I don't care that his Mom was a white leftist, or that he was born in Hawaii. I really and honestly truly just don't care. He is a man with his faults and graces, and he brings good and bad with him to his job. I have lived in cities like Fayetteville, North Carolina, and real close to New Haven, Connecticut as well as my beloved home of Eugene, Oregon, and I really wish Eugene had more diversity, as the mix of national backgrounds and different sorts of people from all over the world are pluses Fayetteville and New Have have over Eugene we sure could use. We are almost completely Euro ethnic, and I am here to tell you, it has it's drawbacks. You might like the drabness and consider it nessessary cultural stability, but in my opinion that makes things oppressively boring, boring boring. You I am sure disagree, but this falls under the auspices of difference of opinion, not willful dishonesty. Subjective views are different from dishonesty, and sharing them make the world more interesting and fun to be in. That's my take on this. In any event, thanks for sharing.
Then there was a whole lot of crime involved in the borg-like conquest of what are now called the Americas, yes? We came, destroyed natural beauty and stable ecological webs or life called ecosystems, ruined and destroyed human cultures that had been here for thousands of years, and thus this was crime. OK friend, now I get it. Thanks so much for explaining this concept of crime to me. As you can see, I have grasped your point. ;-D
We came, destroyed natural beauty and stable ecological webs or life called ecosystems, ruined and destroyed human cultures that had been here for thousands of years, and thus this was crime. OK friend, now I get it. Thanks so much for explaining this concept of crime to me. As you can see, I have grasped your point. ;-D So what I'm inferring from your statement then is that two wrongs make a right and by golly ain't schadenfreude fun. I don't know of one single "nasty drab boring boring boring" Euro descent person alive today who is out shooting Indians as a matter of policy or taking over their reservations. Additionally the ecosystem wasn't destroyed (if it was, we'd be dead or gone), and there is infinite natural beauty left in these united States. Your view as expressed is wholly slanted against "drab boring boring boring" European descended people and is boiler plate teaching by hard left pseudo-intellectuals that is both uniform and consistent. Strange, I've never considered Europe bereft of culture, beauty, charm or diverse influences. Traveling helps a bit I suppose.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I wont, read beyond that part Mike. It would be futile. We are all human. In a desire for civil, polite discourse, I never bozo anyone. Having been reading Mike for ten years or more, it is difficult to understand how so many of us are always wrong, and have NO RIGHT to take a stand for a future for our race/culture.
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#110. To: Ferret (#90)
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb.
#111. To: buckeroo (#109)
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
the AZ law is law and is about to go viral.
#113. To: RickyJ (#111)
#114. To: RickyJ (#110)
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
Lord Acton
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#116. To: A K A Stone (#115)
You sound more and more like a stupid liberal.
#117. To: James Deffenbach, RickyJ (#114)
#118. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, RickyJ, A K A Stone (#116)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#119. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
the First Wookie
#120. To: farmfriend (#118)
#121. To: farmfriend (#118)
Jokes .. to simmer the thread a wee bit....
A Man Who Drives A Semi Back And Forth To Mexico and Indiana Is Driving To Mexico.
#122. To: A K A Stone (#120)
nice
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#126. To: A K A Stone (#117)
But where do you get this 2.5 million figure.
Lord Acton
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Lord Acton
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
Truly a beast.
Lord Acton
#129. To: A K A Stone (#123)
.. I am a traitor ..
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#131. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#130)
Because it's not about a Moral Issue. It's a LEGAL issue. Which is where your line of thinking is completely in error.
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I worked five years in the seventies and eighties on and off at 7 Eleven Stores
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#140. To: Ferret (#132)
I really sympathize, but to me a criminal is a criminal, whether he is an American in Northern Georgia robbing a farm and or raping a wife of a Cherokee farmer off fighting for the U.S. in the Seminole Wars in Florida in the early 1800s which many did, and had happen while gone, or was a Mexican illegal stealing from you, or a Crankster Gangster making my life a horror story.
#141. To: buckeroo (#129)
#142. To: Ferret (#134)
#143. To: Ferret (#133)
Inaccurate.
#144. To: Cynicom (#143)
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#145. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#140)
"Entering our country illegally is a felony. That's about as criminal as it gets."
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#146. To: Ferret (#145)
Then there was a whole lot of crime involved in the borg-like conquest of what are now called the Americas, yes?
#147. To: Ferret (#144)
I am human,
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