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Title: Arizona immigration law could drive (Illegal Alien) Latinos out of state
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... -migrants-leaving-arizona.html
Published: Apr 28, 2010
Author: Daniel González
Post Date: 2010-04-28 04:28:01 by hondo68
Keywords: Illegal, Alien, Invader, Criminals
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Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob. Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state." Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave. And it isn't just illegal immigrants: Legal residents and U.S. citizens also say they will leave Arizona because they view the state as unfriendly to Hispanics. Arizona's new immigration law is not so much about using local police to round up and deport as many of the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state as possible, said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, it's about creating so much fear they will leave on their own. The strategy is known as "attrition through enforcement," and it is a factor behind every one of the anti-illegal-immigration laws passed so far, said Kavanagh, a main supporter of the bill and a criminal-justice professor at Scottsdale Community College. "That means that rather than conducting large-scale active roundups of illegal immigrants, our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," he said. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own." When that happens, he said, crime and taxes will go down. But Kavanagh said he is worried about legal immigrants and U.S. citizens also leaving. "I'm concerned about legal residents who are unnecessarily leaving the state because they have bought into a lot of the misinformation about this bill," Kavanagh said. Phoenix resident Javier Collazo, 18, a U.S. citizen who was born in California, said he is worried police may question him about his immigration status because of his appearance. He is also worried that he could be arrested under a provision of the law that makes it a crime to transport undocumented immigrants. His in-laws are undocumented, and so are several of his friends. Kavanagh said legal residents and U.S. citizens have nothing to worry about. The law strictly prohibits racial profiling. And the transporting provision is aimed at human smugglers and other criminals, not people giving rides to undocumented relatives, he said. "They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble. They also should know that once by attrition or by enforcement we significantly reduce the number of illegals in this state, taxes are going to go down and crime is going to go down. So, it will be a better place to live for everybody." How many Latinos may leave Arizona is unknown. But the state's economy, which has hit Latinos disproportionately hard, combined with the new law, has made living in Arizona intolerable, many Hispanics said this week. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country without legal papers and lets police question people about their immigration status if officers have reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. An anti-smuggling provision makes it a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision. Others, like Miranda, are already packing their bags. Many said they will move to another state. Few said they will return to Mexico. Not just illegal immigrants are leaving, and the sudden loss of large numbers of people could hurt the state's already dismal economy. José Mendez, an economics professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, said the state's economic recovery could be hampered by the large-scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, the price of services "will definitely be higher," he said. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding, Mendez added. There may also be a loss of sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue, he said. "They pay taxes every time they buy food at the 7-Eleven or when they buy gasoline," he said. Mendez also said that, in the short term, undocumented immigrants tend to be a drain on public services because they have low-paying jobs and therefore pay little income taxes. But, in the long run, their U.S.-born children tend to offset those costs through higher-paying jobs and higher taxes. "So on net, when you take those two, empirical studies have shown, they pay more in taxes than the value of services they receive," Mendez said. State Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Tolleson, said the large-scale loss of people could hurt already fragile communities. "It could destabilize neighborhoods," he said. Miranda said he spent 2 1/2 hours Saturday walking through largely Latino neighborhoods in Maryvale and west Phoenix. He said he met Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Filipinos and other people of color, the majority of them U.S. citizens. "They are all really concerned about the new law," he said. "The stress and intimidation makes people fearful." Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Adamaris, who asked that her last name not be used because she is afraid of being deported, said she plans to wait two months to see if the law survives legal challenges before deciding whether to leave. Glendale resident John Zavala, 32, was born in Mexico City but has lived in the United States most of his life. He is a legal resident of the United States and moved from Chicago to Phoenix in 2003 because he liked the weather. But Zavala said he thinks the political climate in the state has turned inhospitable toward Latinos. If the hostility continues, Zavala said, he will leave Arizona. "I always carry my green card," said Zavala, a computer-network analyst. "Until this point, I've never had to use it. But from now on, I guess I will."
Adriana Miranda, an undocumented immigrant, tearfully says she's leaving Arizona.
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#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#21)
You read it right which makes the AZ law nothing new.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
GD, please tell us all again about all those hard working illegals you see in Texas every day? I love that one :P
According to George Lopez, "Mexicans do it better, faster and cheaper."
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The fewer wetbacks in this country, the better it is for this country. These people had their own country. They should have stayed there, or go back there. If I moved illegally to their country, how would I treated?
“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”
what would be your solution for a state to deport illegals since the feds haven't done the job of protecting the borders? each state has the right to protect itself if it's what their residents want. again, we're talking about illegals. true, it's a catch 22, but it has to be dealt with.
A free man owns his own labor
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
To me, all people are treated the same. If they are hard working, and decent folks I give them all the due respect they deserve. If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
Well isn't that special. Why don't you open up a pro
bono office and offer to represent the 30+ % illegals that are in our nations
prisons? Start with Texas where Hispanics are now the majority class.
Maybe you can get some seed money from Al Sharpton?
How many have you got working for you?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Well said, and I agree. Good/bad crosses all racial and nationality lines. Dealing with it properly has to be on a case-by-case basis.
Lets stay on what you call "bad" law in AZ. Since the vast majority of illegals are Hispanic..the vast majority of illegals in AZ are Hispanic...what's to profile?? We know what/who they are and look like...the only question is did they or did they not commit a crime or traffic infraction that resulted in being asked about their legal status. Please don't omit the bold type when referencing the law since that is the part the leftist are spinning.
Not too well. The very best you could hope for would be to be fined and deported. If not that say hello to a Mexican jail, a place where you don't want to be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, but the proven fact is that the feds are NOT doing their job in this area. Sure, they have plenty of time to worry about things that are none of their business and take over what are supposed to be private enterprises but they are abject failures in protecting the states from invasion. And that is one of the very few duties of the federal government. Can't do $#it that they are supposed to do and seems like they are always getting involved in things that are not their concern.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And yet you take up for a Kenyan who is robbing America blind and one who probably couldn't get a CIA clearance to even visit the White House, let alone live there.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Maybe Morris Dees will give him some of his ill-gotten gains. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Dealing with it properly has to be on a case-by-case basis. Absolutely. Something I have said many times, that there are good folks and bad folks in all groups. And of course some of each quality in everyone, comes with being human. But everyone should be treated as an individual and dealt with accordingly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't give a damn if a person comes here legally. If they come here illegally and are rewarded for it, then that's when I have a problem. She's complaining because her illegal alien husband can't find work? Well how about getting a fucking green card, or maybe try being a citizen? What utter bullshit. We need to cut down on legal immigration until the economy recovers as well. Currently, per the numbers used by Frosty Woolridge, we are creating about 95,000 new jobs per month, and granting work status to legal immigrants at the rate of about 150,000 per month. That is an interesting set of numbers. With about 3 million+ people out of work or underemployed at 95,000 jobs per month we would still be looking at several years to get unemployment numbers down significantly.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Who has been paying the bills for the family for a YEAR?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The same people who are praising this new law, the taxpayers. Some could have been hit more than once. Maybe the invaders stole stuff from their neighbors homes, while they were out working to pay the "guest workers" welfare.
He's a native born American you idiot. Your insanity in the issue is not my problem.
I don't see any point in your question. if someone gets stopped for an infraction, or is questioned or detained as the suspect in a crime, their ethnic background or color is immaterial.
If the driver has no ID when stopped for an infraction, this law allows the officer to see if he/she is here legally. It seems reasonable to me considering the illegals have border states like AZ in red ink as far as the eye can see thanks to their propensity to gobble up social programs meant for Americans. I pray this issue explodes, and should we meet in the street, we will be enemies.
You are a moron. If your hero is actually an American he should have no problem whatsoever producing a long-form birth certificate. Yet he not only refuses to do so but is paying shysters upwards of two million dollars to keep it hidden. And you are such a liberal retard that you condone his fraud on America.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He is ALREADY the enemy of Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The law has ad intent and and needs to go. It flies in the face of the American standard for equal justice under the law. If it goes to the street I am in Oregon, and you are about three thousand miles from me. Also I may disagree with people on a topic, but I never make anyone my enemy over such a thing; grow up.
Yeah, which is why I served nine years in the active military. How many years did you defend the United States in the military, sport?
As I see it, he has. The long form is the business of officials to check. If there is another issue that does not involve Constitutional requirements and thus his private business as it involves his parental legal adults at a time he was a new born, I support his right not to make it public. Asshole.
Mike - Come'on. You know he's a fraud. All his family, and even his wife, says that Kenya is his home country. Believe them, they are telling the truth. The kenyan has never once, to my knowledge, said where he was born...or where he thinks that he was born. But he presses on as our sockpuppet 44.
I know his birth certificate has been checked more then once, and I firmly believe without any doubt what so ever that even should he publish it, the shift would go immediately to, "AHHHHH! IT'S FAKE! IT'S A FRAUD, KILL HIM! KILL1 HIM!" Much as is the case now, except the tempo of the lynch mob would step it up as it would not be taken as being forth coming on his part, but as a fraud and a sign of weakness. I said over two years ago my opinion would never budge on this issue and it has not. Two years from now, the same will be true. If I am anything, I have the serious convictions of my beliefs and I am very very stubborn. I note your belief on this, and good for you; but my take on it will remain the same as it has been since this Swift Boating issue was concocted. Nothing will change my mind.
I've been busy sharpenin' my pitchfork since the late-90's, so it's still rather effective when righteously weilded...MUD BTW...I know most of y'all are far too cool to listen to ol' Rush Limbaugh, but I listen to him whenever I get the chance (and have regularly since the Liberation of Kuwait). Well, today's 2nd hour was the best I've ever heard him do EVER, and that's saying something, my friends. In one 15-minute segment in particular, he TOTALLY destroyed ANY CHANCE WHATSOEVER that the RATS would get Amnesty fer ILLEGALS passed in FY 2010...and after the RATS get crushed in November fer PURPOSELY attempting to destroy our Economy and our Way of Life fer two years, that pretty much KILLS a General Amnesty fer AT LEAST a Generation!! And most folks have NO CLUE...LOL!! Si, se puede?! Over MUD's dead body, you Marxist scofflaws/SOBs!! LOL...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, As I see it you are defending a liar and a con man. I have seen enough of your bs and your defense of the indefensible. And your hero is a Kenyan. You say you will not change your mind on this issue. That would require having a mind and you seem to have lost yours somewhere. Was it when they pulled your dumb @$$ out of the tree and you hit your head? Even his old lady said he was born in Kenya you idiot.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Diaper rash, the silent killer.
Maybe your mama will rub some salve on it for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Heh, she's dead Jim. You can have have Scotty beam you up now. ;-)
If WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
This is much, much more than a disagreement on a topic. It's about guilty whites such as yourself supporting the fall of America. You just can't seem to grasp that the social cost of illegals, not to mention the crime they bring, can no longer be supported by the tax payers of border states. Obama the non-American is siding with non-Americans against Americans. Congratulations on your continued support of the Kenyan. If He weren't black you would become orgasmic when His name is mentioned. You better believe you, and people like you, are the enemy within.
He's a human being, like you and I. Racial and cultural heritage are nothing to use to promote or slam other people. And of course, since you have made sure I know beyond doubt you are not racist, you already knew this, right? I also know the difference between immigrants seeking work and an insurgency, it was my job and I was trained to see and know this. I know the real people to blame in this immigration problem are the people making money pitting one group against another wanting the heat and blame to be off them. If the United States were invaded I would consider it my duty to either sign up or take the role of a partisan. If you doubt that, you are not as smart as I thought you are.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSounds like it's more than just your name they can demand. Papers, too.
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#32. To: ghostdogtxn (#30)
The illegals I encounter on a daily basis work their asses off
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#30)
The illegals I encounter on a daily basis work their asses off for very little money
#34. To: Ferret, 4 (#31)
To me, all people are treated the same. If they are hard working, and decent folks I give them all the due respect they deserve. If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
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#36. To: Turtle (#26)
If I moved illegally to their country, how would I treated?
Lord Acton
#37. To: ghostdogtxn (#28)
Immigration is a federal jurisdiction issue, and the feds should be handling it.
Lord Acton
#38. To: Ferret (#31)
If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
Lord Acton
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#32)
Maybe you can get some seed money from Al Sharpton?
Lord Acton
#40. To: Lod (#34)
Good/bad crosses all racial and nationality lines.
Lord Acton
#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist, hondo68, abraxas (#1)
I see this as a symptom of a greater cancer in this country. A cancer that could be cured if we were to repatriate every last illegal alien felon to their home country.
#42. To: hondo68 (#0)
Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year.
#43. To: abraxas (#42)
Who has been paying the bills for the family for a YEAR?
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
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#46. To: Ferret (#45)
I don't see any point in your question. if someone gets stopped for an infraction, or is questioned or detained as the suspect in a crime, their ethnic background or color is immaterial.
#47. To: Ferret (#44)
He's a native born American you idiot. Your insanity in the issue is not my problem.
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#48. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
I pray this issue explodes, and should we meet in the street, we will be enemies.
Lord Acton
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"We have traitors to find, charge, try, and then hang."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
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As I see it, he has.
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Diaper rash, the silent killer.
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#59. To: Ferret, Mikey the Welfare weasel (#58)
she's dead
she it spawned you, the world is better off without her it.
#60. To: Ferret (#49)
Also I may disagree with people on a topic, but I never make anyone my enemy over such a thing; grow up.
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