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Title: Arizona immigration law could drive (Illegal Alien) Latinos out of state
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... -migrants-leaving-arizona.html
Published: Apr 28, 2010
Author: Daniel González
Post Date: 2010-04-28 04:28:01 by hondo68
Keywords: Illegal, Alien, Invader, Criminals
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Comments: 295
Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob. Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state." Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave. And it isn't just illegal immigrants: Legal residents and U.S. citizens also say they will leave Arizona because they view the state as unfriendly to Hispanics. Arizona's new immigration law is not so much about using local police to round up and deport as many of the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state as possible, said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, it's about creating so much fear they will leave on their own. The strategy is known as "attrition through enforcement," and it is a factor behind every one of the anti-illegal-immigration laws passed so far, said Kavanagh, a main supporter of the bill and a criminal-justice professor at Scottsdale Community College. "That means that rather than conducting large-scale active roundups of illegal immigrants, our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," he said. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own." When that happens, he said, crime and taxes will go down. But Kavanagh said he is worried about legal immigrants and U.S. citizens also leaving. "I'm concerned about legal residents who are unnecessarily leaving the state because they have bought into a lot of the misinformation about this bill," Kavanagh said. Phoenix resident Javier Collazo, 18, a U.S. citizen who was born in California, said he is worried police may question him about his immigration status because of his appearance. He is also worried that he could be arrested under a provision of the law that makes it a crime to transport undocumented immigrants. His in-laws are undocumented, and so are several of his friends. Kavanagh said legal residents and U.S. citizens have nothing to worry about. The law strictly prohibits racial profiling. And the transporting provision is aimed at human smugglers and other criminals, not people giving rides to undocumented relatives, he said. "They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble. They also should know that once by attrition or by enforcement we significantly reduce the number of illegals in this state, taxes are going to go down and crime is going to go down. So, it will be a better place to live for everybody." How many Latinos may leave Arizona is unknown. But the state's economy, which has hit Latinos disproportionately hard, combined with the new law, has made living in Arizona intolerable, many Hispanics said this week. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country without legal papers and lets police question people about their immigration status if officers have reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. An anti-smuggling provision makes it a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision. Others, like Miranda, are already packing their bags. Many said they will move to another state. Few said they will return to Mexico. Not just illegal immigrants are leaving, and the sudden loss of large numbers of people could hurt the state's already dismal economy. José Mendez, an economics professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, said the state's economic recovery could be hampered by the large-scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, the price of services "will definitely be higher," he said. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding, Mendez added. There may also be a loss of sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue, he said. "They pay taxes every time they buy food at the 7-Eleven or when they buy gasoline," he said. Mendez also said that, in the short term, undocumented immigrants tend to be a drain on public services because they have low-paying jobs and therefore pay little income taxes. But, in the long run, their U.S.-born children tend to offset those costs through higher-paying jobs and higher taxes. "So on net, when you take those two, empirical studies have shown, they pay more in taxes than the value of services they receive," Mendez said. State Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Tolleson, said the large-scale loss of people could hurt already fragile communities. "It could destabilize neighborhoods," he said. Miranda said he spent 2 1/2 hours Saturday walking through largely Latino neighborhoods in Maryvale and west Phoenix. He said he met Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Filipinos and other people of color, the majority of them U.S. citizens. "They are all really concerned about the new law," he said. "The stress and intimidation makes people fearful." Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Adamaris, who asked that her last name not be used because she is afraid of being deported, said she plans to wait two months to see if the law survives legal challenges before deciding whether to leave. Glendale resident John Zavala, 32, was born in Mexico City but has lived in the United States most of his life. He is a legal resident of the United States and moved from Chicago to Phoenix in 2003 because he liked the weather. But Zavala said he thinks the political climate in the state has turned inhospitable toward Latinos. If the hostility continues, Zavala said, he will leave Arizona. "I always carry my green card," said Zavala, a computer-network analyst. "Until this point, I've never had to use it. But from now on, I guess I will."
Adriana Miranda, an undocumented immigrant, tearfully says she's leaving Arizona.
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Wow... Some people would see this as a problem. I see this as a symptom of a greater cancer in this country. A cancer that could be cured if we were to repatriate every last illegal alien felon to their home country. I don't give a damn if a person comes here legally. If they come here illegally and are rewarded for it, then that's when I have a problem. She's complaining because her illegal alien husband can't find work? Well how about getting a fucking green card, or maybe try being a citizen? What utter bullshit.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
The PTB are responsible for creating the animus and angst that immigration represents. A simple program to allow the necessary migration could be put in place without difficulty, but that's not what their agenda calls for. They want riots just like the ones that took down Czarist Russia. The same vermin are orchestrating the takedown of America as have been responsible for the spread of communism from its inception. Divide and conquer, unlimited bank financing (with make-believe money), and treason combined with our ignorance and support make this possible.
"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."
You'll notice there is no talk of them going back to their home country. I expect illegals will congregate in one or two states and pull a mass Reconquista on us, all under consular leadership. My bet is it will be CA, not AZ or NM or TX. I think they know better than to test Texas again. And NM isn't rich enough a property.
If they are allowed to claim CA, they'd be doing us a favor at this point.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Wheeeeeeeeee..... Lets make it a stampede of parasites. Now watch bordering states get nervous.
The original title is correct.
Einstein took the cake. Boas ate it.
The Mexican state doesn't want 'em back.
Einstein took the cake. Boas ate it.
That's touching...now, get the F out of my country...pronto!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
"The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Every wetback in America needs to get the fuck out of my country, and I don't ever want them to come back. America doesn't need any more turd-world debris, we need First World immigrants from Germany/France/England/Norway/Sweden/Finland/New Zealand/Australia/etc.
_________________________________________________________________________ Good (for Arizona anyway).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Whine and moan, moan and whine. I guess drug dealers are just misunderstood "undocumented pharmacists."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. But who shall wash our cars, clean our hotel rooms and mow our lawns?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
That's a worn out argument. The Romans asked the same question right before the Visigoths sacked Rome. These wetbacks need to leave our country. They can leave voluntarily or they can leave in chains. It makes no difference to me.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
The high court rules 5 to 4 that officers can arrest people who won't reveal their identity. Warren Richey, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor / June 22, 2004 US citizens do not enjoy a constitutional right to refuse to reveal their identity when requested by police. In what may become a major boost to US law enforcement and antiterrorism efforts, the US Supreme Court Monday upheld a Nevada law that makes it a criminal offense for anyone suspected of wrongdoing to refuse to identify himself to police. Civil libertarians see the decision as a significant setback. And it remains unclear to what extent it may open the door to the issuing of national identification cards or widespread identity operations keyed to terrorist profiling at bus terminals, train stations, sports stadiums, and on city streets. "It's a green light to explore the bounds of how much personal information can be demanded on pain of arrest," says Timothy Lynch of the Cato Institute in Washington. "It also gives a green light to perhaps the Congress to move with a national law." Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, says the decision has clear implications for the war on terror. "We know identification continues to be one of the key demands of government agencies involved in homeland security," he says. "[This decision] - depending on how broad it is - could open the door to new demands for identification." The ruling marks the first time the nation's highest court has endorsed a provision compelling citizens to reveal information in a citizen-police encounter that may become a police investigation. The 5-to-4 decision says that neither the Fourth Amendment's right to privacy nor the Fifth Amendment's guarantee against self- incrimination bars states from passing laws requiring citizens to identify themselves. In effect, the majority justices say that in most cases it is no significant intrusion for police to request - and a suspect to provide - his name. "One's identity is, by definition, unique; yet it is, in another sense, a universal characteristic," writes Justice Anthony Kennedy for the majority. "Answering a request to disclose a name is likely to be so insignificant in the scheme of things as to be incriminating only in unusual circumstances." Justice Kennedy adds that if a case arises in which the furnished identity provides a key link leading to the conviction of the individual for a different crime, the court will revisit the issue. Joining Justice Kennedy's majority opinion were Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas. In a dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens says the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination must always shield a criminal suspect who is being questioned by police. Since police may only request the name of someone they find suspicious (under the upheld Nevada statute), that person is by definition a criminal suspect who may not be compelled to make statements that might incriminate him, Justice Stevens says. "The court reasons that we should not assume the disclosure of petitioner's name would be used to incriminate him," Justice Stevens writes. "But why else would an officer ask for it?" Stevens adds, "A name can provide the key to a broad array of information about a person particularly in the hands of a police officer with access to a range of law enforcement databases." The decision stems from the case of Larry Hiibel, who was arrested in May 2000 after he refused a deputy sheriff's repeated demand that he produce some form of identification. The encounter took place at the side of a road in Humboldt County, Nev. The deputy had received a report of a man striking a woman in a pickup truck. When the deputy arrived at the scene, Mr. Hiibel was standing outside a pickup truck that was parked on the shoulder of the road. His daughter was sitting inside the truck. The deputy asked Hiibel 11 times to produce identification. Hiibel repeatedly refused, saying he'd done nothing wrong. The deputy placed him under arrest in accord with a Nevada law that permits police to detain criminal suspects for up to 60 minutes to compel them to identify themselves. Hiibel refused to comply. He was charged and convicted of violating the mandatory identity law, a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail. His conviction was affirmed by a state appeals court and the Nevada Supreme Court. In upholding his conviction and the mandatory identity-disclosure law, the majority justices also said the law only requires that a suspect disclose his or her name, rather than requiring production of a driver's license or other document. • Linda Feldmann contributed to this report.
But your response doesn't answer my earlier question does it?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Good! We need to demand our home States pass similar legislation, NOW!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
It's been law since 2004. What are these Illegal lovers sobbing about? Aren't they taxed enough, or is it they want a polyglot America for their white kids? (See White Guilt)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I wash/wax/detail my own truck better than any wetback ever could and I mow/trim my own lawns with great care using always-sharpened mower blades instead of dull blades that I see the wetbacks using when they mow for hire. It's time for all Americans to start doing the manual-labor chores that give a person pride in a job well done.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
You read it right which makes the AZ law nothing new.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
GD, please tell us all again about all those hard working illegals you see in Texas every day? I love that one :P
According to George Lopez, "Mexicans do it better, faster and cheaper."
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The fewer wetbacks in this country, the better it is for this country. These people had their own country. They should have stayed there, or go back there. If I moved illegally to their country, how would I treated?
“No amount of reason, evidence, logic or rational argument will ever convince the true believer otherwise.”
what would be your solution for a state to deport illegals since the feds haven't done the job of protecting the borders? each state has the right to protect itself if it's what their residents want. again, we're talking about illegals. true, it's a catch 22, but it has to be dealt with.
A free man owns his own labor
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
To me, all people are treated the same. If they are hard working, and decent folks I give them all the due respect they deserve. If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
Well isn't that special. Why don't you open up a pro
bono office and offer to represent the 30+ % illegals that are in our nations
prisons? Start with Texas where Hispanics are now the majority class.
Maybe you can get some seed money from Al Sharpton?
How many have you got working for you?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Well said, and I agree. Good/bad crosses all racial and nationality lines. Dealing with it properly has to be on a case-by-case basis.
Lets stay on what you call "bad" law in AZ. Since the vast majority of illegals are Hispanic..the vast majority of illegals in AZ are Hispanic...what's to profile?? We know what/who they are and look like...the only question is did they or did they not commit a crime or traffic infraction that resulted in being asked about their legal status. Please don't omit the bold type when referencing the law since that is the part the leftist are spinning.
Not too well. The very best you could hope for would be to be fined and deported. If not that say hello to a Mexican jail, a place where you don't want to be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, but the proven fact is that the feds are NOT doing their job in this area. Sure, they have plenty of time to worry about things that are none of their business and take over what are supposed to be private enterprises but they are abject failures in protecting the states from invasion. And that is one of the very few duties of the federal government. Can't do $#it that they are supposed to do and seems like they are always getting involved in things that are not their concern.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And yet you take up for a Kenyan who is robbing America blind and one who probably couldn't get a CIA clearance to even visit the White House, let alone live there.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Maybe Morris Dees will give him some of his ill-gotten gains. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Dealing with it properly has to be on a case-by-case basis. Absolutely. Something I have said many times, that there are good folks and bad folks in all groups. And of course some of each quality in everyone, comes with being human. But everyone should be treated as an individual and dealt with accordingly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't give a damn if a person comes here legally. If they come here illegally and are rewarded for it, then that's when I have a problem. She's complaining because her illegal alien husband can't find work? Well how about getting a fucking green card, or maybe try being a citizen? What utter bullshit. We need to cut down on legal immigration until the economy recovers as well. Currently, per the numbers used by Frosty Woolridge, we are creating about 95,000 new jobs per month, and granting work status to legal immigrants at the rate of about 150,000 per month. That is an interesting set of numbers. With about 3 million+ people out of work or underemployed at 95,000 jobs per month we would still be looking at several years to get unemployment numbers down significantly.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Who has been paying the bills for the family for a YEAR?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The same people who are praising this new law, the taxpayers. Some could have been hit more than once. Maybe the invaders stole stuff from their neighbors homes, while they were out working to pay the "guest workers" welfare.
He's a native born American you idiot. Your insanity in the issue is not my problem.
I don't see any point in your question. if someone gets stopped for an infraction, or is questioned or detained as the suspect in a crime, their ethnic background or color is immaterial.
If the driver has no ID when stopped for an infraction, this law allows the officer to see if he/she is here legally. It seems reasonable to me considering the illegals have border states like AZ in red ink as far as the eye can see thanks to their propensity to gobble up social programs meant for Americans. I pray this issue explodes, and should we meet in the street, we will be enemies.
You are a moron. If your hero is actually an American he should have no problem whatsoever producing a long-form birth certificate. Yet he not only refuses to do so but is paying shysters upwards of two million dollars to keep it hidden. And you are such a liberal retard that you condone his fraud on America.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He is ALREADY the enemy of Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The law has ad intent and and needs to go. It flies in the face of the American standard for equal justice under the law. If it goes to the street I am in Oregon, and you are about three thousand miles from me. Also I may disagree with people on a topic, but I never make anyone my enemy over such a thing; grow up.
Yeah, which is why I served nine years in the active military. How many years did you defend the United States in the military, sport?
As I see it, he has. The long form is the business of officials to check. If there is another issue that does not involve Constitutional requirements and thus his private business as it involves his parental legal adults at a time he was a new born, I support his right not to make it public. Asshole.
Mike - Come'on. You know he's a fraud. All his family, and even his wife, says that Kenya is his home country. Believe them, they are telling the truth. The kenyan has never once, to my knowledge, said where he was born...or where he thinks that he was born. But he presses on as our sockpuppet 44.
I know his birth certificate has been checked more then once, and I firmly believe without any doubt what so ever that even should he publish it, the shift would go immediately to, "AHHHHH! IT'S FAKE! IT'S A FRAUD, KILL HIM! KILL1 HIM!" Much as is the case now, except the tempo of the lynch mob would step it up as it would not be taken as being forth coming on his part, but as a fraud and a sign of weakness. I said over two years ago my opinion would never budge on this issue and it has not. Two years from now, the same will be true. If I am anything, I have the serious convictions of my beliefs and I am very very stubborn. I note your belief on this, and good for you; but my take on it will remain the same as it has been since this Swift Boating issue was concocted. Nothing will change my mind.
I've been busy sharpenin' my pitchfork since the late-90's, so it's still rather effective when righteously weilded...MUD BTW...I know most of y'all are far too cool to listen to ol' Rush Limbaugh, but I listen to him whenever I get the chance (and have regularly since the Liberation of Kuwait). Well, today's 2nd hour was the best I've ever heard him do EVER, and that's saying something, my friends. In one 15-minute segment in particular, he TOTALLY destroyed ANY CHANCE WHATSOEVER that the RATS would get Amnesty fer ILLEGALS passed in FY 2010...and after the RATS get crushed in November fer PURPOSELY attempting to destroy our Economy and our Way of Life fer two years, that pretty much KILLS a General Amnesty fer AT LEAST a Generation!! And most folks have NO CLUE...LOL!! Si, se puede?! Over MUD's dead body, you Marxist scofflaws/SOBs!! LOL...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, As I see it you are defending a liar and a con man. I have seen enough of your bs and your defense of the indefensible. And your hero is a Kenyan. You say you will not change your mind on this issue. That would require having a mind and you seem to have lost yours somewhere. Was it when they pulled your dumb @$$ out of the tree and you hit your head? Even his old lady said he was born in Kenya you idiot.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Diaper rash, the silent killer.
Maybe your mama will rub some salve on it for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Heh, she's dead Jim. You can have have Scotty beam you up now. ;-)
If WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
This is much, much more than a disagreement on a topic. It's about guilty whites such as yourself supporting the fall of America. You just can't seem to grasp that the social cost of illegals, not to mention the crime they bring, can no longer be supported by the tax payers of border states. Obama the non-American is siding with non-Americans against Americans. Congratulations on your continued support of the Kenyan. If He weren't black you would become orgasmic when His name is mentioned. You better believe you, and people like you, are the enemy within.
He's a human being, like you and I. Racial and cultural heritage are nothing to use to promote or slam other people. And of course, since you have made sure I know beyond doubt you are not racist, you already knew this, right? I also know the difference between immigrants seeking work and an insurgency, it was my job and I was trained to see and know this. I know the real people to blame in this immigration problem are the people making money pitting one group against another wanting the heat and blame to be off them. If the United States were invaded I would consider it my duty to either sign up or take the role of a partisan. If you doubt that, you are not as smart as I thought you are.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
As I said many times, you aren't ever to be trusted.
You do know they have medication that can help you with irrational paranoia.
Adios you Obama POS
weasel's a misguided stooge, but if he exercised his 2nd Amendment Rights a little he'd see the light. Let's all chip in and get him one of these nifty little shooters WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Equal justice under the law. Let's talk about that. My Grandfather came to America. He had to go through Ellis Island. He was not given any preferential treatment. He had his own money and was able to support himself from DAY ONE. He had to learn English, and went on to become a CITIZEN. He had to obey the laws, and pay taxes. Now... When it comes to illegal immigration, those who are here illegally, are being rewarded for breaking our laws. Why is it okay for the illegals from our southern neighbors to break the law, while my grandfather who came from Europe had to obey the law? That in of itself is a double standard. One set of rules for one racial group, and another set of rules for another. This law was written broadly so that EVERYONE who does not have ID, can be looked over to check their legal status. If I drove in Arizona, as a white person, and got pulled over with no ID, they'd run my legal status the same as anyone else. Stop your bullshit Mike. Your Communist Roots are showing.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
He's a worm in the apple who isn't happy with an illegal immigration law that passed. His unhappiness, and that of other weasels, tells me AZ is dead on right.
Free speech here sometimes seems to mean that if you disagree with the group think, you are subject to being called a race traitor, a communist and worse. Communist roots? Go fuck yourself, asshole. I've never been a 'collectivist.' Communism is taking everyone's shit and putting a few assholes in control and ownership of it. It is a failure of an economic model, and as I see it, unless you are conservative and hate the right people and prefer some people over others on the basis of race and ethnic back ground, some people here don't want you to enjoy free speech. You don't want lively debate on the issue, you just want to vilify and try to bully as if the First amendment is moot, you have the problem, I do not. By the way; I didn't have to go from being a support troop crewing helicopters to combat arms with worse hours, heavier load, more walking and stress; none of that. I did it because I care for this country and believe in it. And I ask nothing for that, no pat on the back, no accolades for that decision, just consideration for showing I cared and still do, that's all. And you know what is even crazier; if things really went 'Red Dawn,' I would drop everything and do every damn thing I could to defend the homeland. So maybe that makes me crazy as hell, but one damn thing for sure is I don't like communism, and I consider the oppression of corporate control of the government every bit as bad as that nasty way of doing things is. Am I right on everything I believe? No human ever is, they just do the damn best they can as a flawed and imperfect being in a flawed and imperfect world. If you don't like what I say, use your bozo and don't post to me. If you can't handle disagreement, that is your problem, not mine.
weasel you idiot Just like your boy Barry Soetoro is doing with his health care tax, VAT tax, increase in income tax You're a fools, fool and a losers, loser
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flint, just back up and let the manic depressive melt down. There is nothing the left can do about the law except piss and moan, and in the Depressing One's case, cry racism. Let them pee in the wind - the AZ law is law and is about to go viral.
Um yeah. Now about that equality under the law thing you brought up. How come there's one set of laws for some people, and another set of laws for the lawbreaking felon illegals coming in from the south? Any other Alinsky tactics you want to try? I do like free speech. I like lively debate. What I don't like is intellectual dishonesty.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Did you filter the Obama lovin' moron who won't admit he is a foreigner even after the First Wookie admitted he was? I think I will put him on the clown filter too. Folks like him are why they invented it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes. He joins a small, select group of leftists. Time is short and on this issue, we have the momentum. Mike Alinsky is a time sponge.
I noticed you missed Arator that has BSed his way through your life. Got time to make a comment?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The weasel is a long winded loser & pussy. I've stopped counting the times he's physically threatened me. Arizona's gonna round'em up and nobody can stop this. It's going to go nationwide!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
What about Arator the traitor?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Hmmmmmm.......could you source this knowledge? Who did the checking? When did they check? Even his wife says that Kenya is his home country. How is it that YOU know more than Michelle?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What about him?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Arator voted for 0bama just like Ferret ..... and begs for government akin to lying another PIG.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Yeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwww ...
"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I can't handle the truth!!
I see psyops everywhere.
Then you aren't hungry.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb. It is on my ignore list.
The Arizona law I doubt seriously will last. I know that if that state tries to hand over immigrants to the Federal Government, I hope they do the principled thing and refuse to accept them from state government people.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
After the U.S. Government stole and murdered in the 1830s Trail of Tears relocation of Southeastern Native Americans, they lost all moral authority to act like they are better then illegal immigrants from the south. It is a problem that should be addressed with a fair amnesty that requires accountability and deny people with mental and legal problems from entering or staying. But I don't find this a point of outrage considering we have no room to pretend we have the moral edge in the issue. I have no problem with people staying if there is an amnesty, and they meet the requirements. My opinion is in no way changing on this.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I agree. His cognitive dissonance or worship of a man because he is black has blinded him to any reason on the issue of where the man is actually from. You know that when someone has never met another person and that other person's own wife says he was born in a foreign country and he still refuses to believe it there is something seriously wrong.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Arator did finally admit he was wrong. That is more than Ferret has done or seems willing to do.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. How is it that YOU know more than Michelle? See, it doesn't matter that the First Wookie even admitted he was from Kenya. He is black and seems to be McCarthy's hero for that reason.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The closed businesses downtown is a problem that has been around since Valley River Center opened in 1970-71. It got worse when they eliminated the Down Town free parking program instituted to try to combat the flight of business to VRC. The business did not vanish, the center of gravity of it moved. This has happened historically before too when it shifted from where Alton Baker Park is to the current down town shown in the whine video. Also student enrollment has exploded, and there is a boom in apartment building to accommodate this. 'building is up, with the city planning on increasing the size of the urban growth boundary 15 percent to accommodate anticipated population growth over the next 15 years. Eugene is doing just fine, Springfield which is our next door neighbor city is growing much faster ads it is a blue collar community and traditionally has had less hoops to jump through to build there. I know this guy, and if you want, I'll go ask him if he wants to debate me and put the video on You Tube. I know him. He is a conservative from the Bethel District of Eugene. He is not up to speed on things, and I would be happy to ping you to stories as they occur that prove my contention. We also are close to finishing an approx. 200 million basketball arena on Franklin Blvd. for the UO Ducks, and Autzen Stadium was expanded in a major way a few years ago.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I rescued a book out of the trash last year or so. I just started reading it. It is called bury my heart at wounded knee. It tells the history of how the indians lost their land between roughly civil war time until about 1890. It is a very good book. I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in that kind of stuff. Very sad too.
He should be shot at dawn. After he collapses ... let the illegals place his body parts on spikes for the buzzards to pick at. I want nothing to do with him.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I never knew you were a murderer at heart.
I want to diminish all of mankind from the swelling BILLIONS of mouth breathers akin to you. Then again, you didn't read what I have said for years.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
God is always good!
Back on the bozo list for you. A spammer of crap, that's about all you can contribute.
God is always good!
Until some judge strikes it down. It is much easier to bribe a single judge, then to bribe all the state legislatures required to stop such laws.
God is always good!
Praise GOD!
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Exactly. Apparently (even though he hasn't said it), the weasel's argument is that Obama is insane. Nothing else would explain someone spending upwards, or more than, 2 million dollars if they had nothing to hide. If he isn't certifiably insane then he is hiding something and something big, probably that he was not born in the US.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You sound more and more like a stupid liberal. You champion so many liberal causes. If you think we are overpopulated you should start with yourself and your family.
Did you waste your vote on John McCain, a known traitor to the USA? You FUCKING HYPOCRITE.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I am with you folks on Obama being a foreigner. I suspect he wont be going to Arizona. But where do you get this 2.5 million figure. Do you have a reputable source?
Jose and Carlos are panhandlers...... They panhandle on different areas of town. Carlos panhandles just as long as Jose but only collects 2 to 3 dollars every day. Jose brings home a suitcase FULL of $10 bills, drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has a lot of money to spend. Carlos says to Jose "I work just as long and hard as you do but how do you bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day?". Jose says, "Look at your sign, what does it say"? Carlos sign reads 'I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support." Jose says " No wonder you only get $2-3 dollars" Carlos says... "So what does your sign say"? Jose shows Carlos his sign...... It reads, "I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Truly a beast.
nice
When He Arrives He Decides To Go To A Bar When He Comes Out He Wonders What Time It Is. So He Sees A Mexican With A Donkey At The End Of The Parking Lot "hey Senor What Time Is It"the Man Asks so The Mexican Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them Up And Says "um Bout 2:30" the Man Wonders How He Did It So He Decides To Ask Him Again "hey Senor What Time Is It" and Again He Grabs The Donkeys Balls Lifts Them And Replies "um Bout 2:45" the Man Decides To Ask Him How He Did It "hey Senor How Do You Know What Time It Is By Grabin A Donkeys Balls"? the Mexican Motions The Man Over The Man Walks Over The Mexican Lifts Up The Donkeys Balls And Says "um You See Dat Clock Over Der" "Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
You fucking traitor.... you are worse than some of the scum I kick off the bottom of my shoes after walking in horseshit taming a filly.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Exactly how does your mind work to tell me that I am a traitor from what I said.
i love that punchline.
You must be a traitor. At least according to bucky
I said upwards of 2 million. I am sure it is probably more by now but the last figures I saw were approaching 2 million. Obama’s Eligibility: Here’s Your Sign! Categories: Columns by Tim Baldwin In a recent article written by JB Williams entitled, “DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office,”[1] Williams highlights some facts signaling that the federal government, the main-stream media and those closely related to both know that Barak Obama is ineligible to be the President of the United States of America under the U.S. Constitution. Williams cites these facts in support of his assertion: -Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party did not certify that Obama qualified to run as a candidate for President of the U.S., but only that Obama was the Democratic Party candidate; -the news media previously and numerously referred to Obama as “Kenya-born” before he ran for President. Afterwards, “Kenya-born” was dropped; -Obama has spent over 2 million dollars in hiding what they say exists (his birth certificate) and supposedly have in hand; -the Justice Department is doing everything they possibly can to keep Americans from pursing Obama’s eligibility in court; -federal judges have dismissed over 400 hundred court cases on Obama’s eligibility, ruling that these citizens do not have standing to know who is acting as President of the U.S.; -Michelle Obama has described Barak’s home as being the country of Kenya; Williams is not alone, of course, in the conclusion that Obama is an illegitimate President and that his illegitimacy is being covered up by Congress, the federal courts, those in the Republican and Democratic national parties and others. Ever since Obama campaigned for U.S. President, millions in America have raised his eligibility as a fundamental concern for the integrity of the U.S. Constitution and rule of law, all to no avail. It is not only “average Joe” who believes Obama is illegitimate, but state governments are expressing the same notion. The state of Arizona has recently passed a law, expected to be signed by the governor, which declares that Barak Obama must prove his U.S. citizenship before being permitted to be on the ballot in 2012.[2] Many states are expected to follow Arizona’s lead of resistance to unlawful federal actions, just as so many states are doing lately on many different fronts (thankfully!). Given these serious insinuations believed by many millions of Americans concerning Obama’s illegitimacy and concerning its cover up, that more serious deductions and conclusions are not being raised–at least publicly–surprises me. Consider what is really implied about Obama’s ineligibility and the cover up by those in the federal government, the main-stream media and the two major political parties. The cut-to-the-chase conclusion underlying this whole ordeal is that the United States government is completely and utterly illegitimate and reeks of bad faith and intent. Any other conclusion is very difficult to believe, using logic and reason. How can the people have any confidence, trust or loyalty whatsoever to a federal system of government that is covering up and perpetuating one of the most audacious and bold lies concerning one of the most simple and clear of constitutional matters? How can the people put any hope in restoring freedom by voting for any person associated with the two major parties that are intrinsically linked to the cover up of Obama’s eligibility? How can the people believe one word coming from any main-stream news source, which are in bed with both political parties? How can the states submit to any federal laws coming from such a government? How can the states remain in such a union under such a regime? Do not be deceived: if Obama is an illegitimate President because he was born in Kenya or some other foreign country, it is not his dirty little secret alone. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who know and are in positions of the so-called highest power. Insultingly so, this matter does not involve some complex legal issue for some “supreme” tribunal of life-term judges to decide. This is simply a matter of, SHOW ME YOUR CITIZENSHIP! This is simply a matter of providing what you say already exists. Any idiot is capable of doing this. In fact, most states now require that you provide proof of your birth certificate to be able to obtain a drivers license. Yet somehow the President of the United States is exempt from providing America (those who “license” any person to hold office) the same proof when the importance of Obama’s proving the same is of much higher and greater importance that it is literally comparing a pebble to the Rocky Mountains. That a person would spend millions of dollars to conceal a document allegedly in hand and in existence reeks of dishonesty, corruption and conspiracy. That the Justice Department would spend thousands of man-hours and millions of tax-dollars to prevent a court from ordering Obama to provide this proof is the epitome of suspicion and presumptive proof of illegitimacy. I dare ask the question: who in their right mind would desire to reconcile with a federal government of that sort, especially given the track record of the federal government since 1865? (No, this is not about the Democratic Party: it is about the federal system.) What person who desires a free government and society would hold the belief that such a government is worthy of anything other than your separation from it? This matter goes to the very heart of consent-of-the-governed and a free state and people. Assume that Obama shows America his birth certificate, and come to find out, his birth certificate proves he is a natural born U.S. citizen. What is to be said of the hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars that were spent to keep America from seeing what they are entitled to see? What is to be said of the federal system that hid the proof from America for so long? What is to be said of the news media who mocked all of you “crazy ‘birthers’” as conspiratorial nut-jobs for making such an issue of Obama’s citizenship? What is to be said of the two major political parties (on the national level) that only perpetuated the mystery and contributed to the shamefulness of the cover up? However, that Obama is legitimate is not the assumption at this point. The assumption held by literally millions of Americans–and now, state governments–is that the person sitting as President of the United States of America is illegitimate–and consequently, implying the corruption, degradation and tyranny of the federal regime. This assumption necessarily carries with it the presumption that the entire federal government is complicit in Obama’s unlawful command of the executive branch. We know that Congressman Bill Posey (FL – R) introduced a bill[3] (along with eleven co-sponsors) that would require any future candidate for President to prove his eligibility under HR 1503, which states: “in the case of a principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President, a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under section 5 of article II of the Constitution.’” But, we have yet to see what shall come of that bill. Meanwhile, Obama still acts as President. Troops continue to be deployed. Wars fought. Lives lost. Taxes spent. Laws passed and signed. Freedom lost. All the while, the States are, through their independent state sovereignty actions, having to spend billions of dollars in justifiably resisting the horrific demonstrations of federal tyranny, as if the people of the states are not suffering economically enough as it is. Moreover, this matter of Obama’s eligibility reaches deeper than even the conspiracy of cover up by the federal government and others: it reaches to the roots of society itself. Consider that some 64 million people voted for a man who presumably does not even qualify to be President. Yet, they do not even care. They celebrated in November 2008 as the man they voted for promised America a transparent federal government. There was now going to be “change we can believe in!” Yet, when asked to produce proof that Obama is eligible to be President, 64 million people come to his defense, including those in the federal government and main-stream media, calling anyone who would dare broach the subject as a right-wing conspirator, psychopath. Truth be known, they do not care that Obama is or is not eligible, and they certainly do not care whether the U.S. Constitution is complied with according to its true meaning. The only concern is “might makes right.” He won, and that’s that. Now we have Obama-care and free health insurance! Oh! What a beautiful utopia we live in! How can freedom survive in that climate? It is already gasping for air as it is being drowned in the ocean created by indifference, lethargy, self-interest, corruption, ambition and greed. How can a union of fifty states so divided remain in such an opposed and depraved state? It is being held together now only by the fear that the federal government will seek and destroy any state who secedes. (Oh, what a benevolent master we serve!) How can a Republic stand for the principle of self-government in that environment? As the evidence is unfolding, the conclusion is freedom cannot survive, such a union will not remain, and a Republic will not stand in the current conditions. (See my article, Plan For Freedom, for further discussion on, “Will America breakup?”) So, when you consider Obama’s eligibility, look beyond the birth certificate and look at the actual sign: the federal government and system is as illegitimate as Obama is. [1] JB Williams, “DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office,” Canada Free Press (April 20, 2010), found at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221. For a follow up article by the same author, see, JB Williams, “The Bottom Line on Natural Born Citizen,” Canada Free Press (April 21, 2010), found at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22262. [2] AP Report, “Ariz House: Check Obama’s Citizenship,” KPHO.com Phoenix News, (April 19, 2010), found at http://www.kpho.com/news/23202195/detail.html [3] H.R. 1503: To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act, 111th Congress, 2009-2010 Session, found at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503 Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Good joke.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. As I heard a young guy say one time, "She's heinous, man, heinous!"
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You are much more. You are a treacherous asshole attempting to cram down my (or anyone's throats) your belief in Christianity and Zionism and McCainism and Palanism... much less GOPism. Go fuck yourself.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I believe it would if you or someone you knew became a statistic of Illegal Alien Crime. You see, 3 years ago, my place of business was broken into. Nearly everything of value stolen. Tools, you name it. Guess who was responsible? Illegal Alien Day Laborers that the building maintenance people hired to fix some pipes in the basement. My place of business was on the 4th floor. 2 years ago, I was in a car accident. An illegal alien hit my vehicle while I was parked in a parking lot. He was drunk as well. Guess who got to pay for the deductible? Me. 3 weeks ago, illegal alien day laborers broke into my garage looking for tools to steal. There was nothing. They were arrested 2 days ago after being caught breaking into a garage up the block. Now, if these scumbags were to tear up your property, steal your stuff, rape your wife daughter or sister, your mind would change pretty fucking quickly Mike. I used to be fairly tolerant of people coming to this country. I am no longer tolerant, and why? Because in addition to all the repairs and insurance premiums these assholes have cost me, my tax dollars subsidize their fucking welfare too. I have a real problem rewarding people for criminal behavior don't you? Because it's not about a Moral Issue. It's a LEGAL issue. Which is where your line of thinking is completely in error.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Exactly. To Mike anyone that does not agree with him is a racist, bigot etc etc. He is unable to look beyond his own personal lifestyle and thus applies it to everyone else.
I worked five years in the seventies and eighties on and off at 7 Eleven Stores and have been robbed at gunpoint five times, all robbers were native born. My ID was stolen by a native born crankster gangster named Dale Allan Beatty of Cottage Grove and I was arrested as alias my name and spent a night in the Lane County Jail and four days a New Year's Day weekend in the Pierce County Correctional Confinement Facility when he used my license up in Washington State for his failure to appear on a suspended license charge. Sure I was suspended in Oregon at the time as I was not going to pay for an SR 22 filing when I mostly rode bicycles anyway. I have been stolen from by break in by a New Yorker who was a former housemate; native born, and he was caught. I really sympathize, but to me a criminal is a criminal, whether he is an American in Northern Georgia robbing a farm and or raping a wife of a Cherokee farmer off fighting for the U.S. in the Seminole Wars in Florida in the early 1800s which many did, and had happen while gone, or was a Mexican illegal stealing from you, or a Crankster Gangster making my life a horror story. I judge them by their criminality, not by who they are or where they are from.
Inaccurate. If you use race or ethnic background to steal the social standing and well being of an individual or group of people, you are being a bigot. Nice fairy tale, you tell; ut it does not apply to me,
It is indeed an excellent book. Glad you got your tag fixed, and since you are being civil, sorry I snarled at you yesterday. The civility is noted and appreciated.
*sigh* With all due respect, I am flat tired of that nonsense. I will see if I can find one of the many times I have responded exactly the same thing on that and will ping you to it. That should not be too hard. I do not agree with you, and if you do not agree with what I wrote I will ping you to, it is surely your right to.
PictureEugene/ the vortex This is a you tube search words: ":Picture Eugene" from my friend Tim Lewis, enjoy; I was here at this fete. Some nice scenes of cops getting chased and having things thrown at them.
The only and last jobs you've ever had.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
The 1997 Eugene Tree Riot. The biggest story of the year here. That was one of my least fun extractions from a tree I was sitting in. This is also by Tim Lewis of Cop Watch/Cascadia Forest Defenders.
I am beginning to distrust you, Mike. You would defend a tree and you would defend illegals. There is something ironic with the way you consider the world .... but you won't defend PEOPLE that are native to America.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I judge them by their criminality, not by who they are or where they are from. Entering our country illegally is a felony. That's about as criminal as it gets. You want to talk about how you're about the law, and fairness? You need to stop rationalizing criminal behavior. A criminal is a criminal no matter where they're from right? Well then. Since it's about the law, and about fairness, and we're not judging people by where they're from, then lets start rounding up these criminal felons, and either deporting them, or imprisoning them instead of rewarding them. Because that is the RIGHT thing to do in this case. If we adopted Mexico's immigration policy, these people wouldn't even be here.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Buckeroo you are an asshole. The world will be better off when you are no longer breathing. Ok asshole.
No problem.
Mike... Just for once, accept the result of what you project. Mike is right, EVERYONE else is wrong, always?????
I am human, thus it is impossible to always be right, but in this case I see this as a break down in communication where something is getting lost in the translation. I just don't judge people by the color of their skin, or their ethnic background. For example, unless my nose is rubbed in it for what to me is an exercise in obsessive compulsive behavior that has no point to it, I just see Barrack Obama, the man who worked long and hard to get elected as president and succeeded. I don't care what country his Dad came from. I don't care that his Mom was a white leftist, or that he was born in Hawaii. I really and honestly truly just don't care. He is a man with his faults and graces, and he brings good and bad with him to his job. I have lived in cities like Fayetteville, North Carolina, and real close to New Haven, Connecticut as well as my beloved home of Eugene, Oregon, and I really wish Eugene had more diversity, as the mix of national backgrounds and different sorts of people from all over the world are pluses Fayetteville and New Have have over Eugene we sure could use. We are almost completely Euro ethnic, and I am here to tell you, it has it's drawbacks. You might like the drabness and consider it nessessary cultural stability, but in my opinion that makes things oppressively boring, boring boring. You I am sure disagree, but this falls under the auspices of difference of opinion, not willful dishonesty. Subjective views are different from dishonesty, and sharing them make the world more interesting and fun to be in. That's my take on this. In any event, thanks for sharing.
Then there was a whole lot of crime involved in the borg-like conquest of what are now called the Americas, yes? We came, destroyed natural beauty and stable ecological webs or life called ecosystems, ruined and destroyed human cultures that had been here for thousands of years, and thus this was crime. OK friend, now I get it. Thanks so much for explaining this concept of crime to me. As you can see, I have grasped your point. ;-D
We came, destroyed natural beauty and stable ecological webs or life called ecosystems, ruined and destroyed human cultures that had been here for thousands of years, and thus this was crime. OK friend, now I get it. Thanks so much for explaining this concept of crime to me. As you can see, I have grasped your point. ;-D So what I'm inferring from your statement then is that two wrongs make a right and by golly ain't schadenfreude fun. I don't know of one single "nasty drab boring boring boring" Euro descent person alive today who is out shooting Indians as a matter of policy or taking over their reservations. Additionally the ecosystem wasn't destroyed (if it was, we'd be dead or gone), and there is infinite natural beauty left in these united States. Your view as expressed is wholly slanted against "drab boring boring boring" European descended people and is boiler plate teaching by hard left pseudo-intellectuals that is both uniform and consistent. Strange, I've never considered Europe bereft of culture, beauty, charm or diverse influences. Traveling helps a bit I suppose.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I wont, read beyond that part Mike. It would be futile. We are all human. In a desire for civil, polite discourse, I never bozo anyone. Having been reading Mike for ten years or more, it is difficult to understand how so many of us are always wrong, and have NO RIGHT to take a stand for a future for our race/culture.
Read my last post to Cyni above this one. I have always lamented the destruction of the people that were native to 'America.' And I am a devout student of karma. And when I see people rending their hair and clothes complete with screams and hollering about injustice as some of the same medicine they dished out on others is returned to them, like a spoon of Castor oil given to a sick child. I see people that need to shut up, take a dose of their own medicine and to try to learn from the experience. I am consistent on my views on immigration; as they are no different now then when I was banned from liberty Post for them.
Some 'o these flakes that live in Cloud Cuckoo Land in the Drippy Northwest over-populated by "nasty drab boring boring boring" Euros should move to exciting Juarez and experience what the rest of our nation is slowly turning into. It would be a special treat for Vietnam-era vets whose gun fighting skills have become a little rusty over the years.
I see psyops everywhere.
Every person I've heard utter that phrase, in reference to the suffering or bad that happens to others, turns out to be somebody who takes joy in the suffering of innocents. The people who did the "crimes" you speak of, and the people they perpetrated them against, are long long dead and turned to dust. You seem to lust for the suffering of innocent people as some kind of comeuppance for crimes you've never seen perpetrated done by people who no longer exist. In essence, you embody the very notion of collectivism by holding a "group" guilty for the sins of some in the group long, long ago. You, like Obama, may wish for dissenters to sit down and shut up, but the genie is out of the bottle now. You don't get to dictate what we should do any longer, and the pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo now has a market value of 0.00 when it comes to intimidation.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
It would be a special treat for Vietnam-era vets whose gun fighting skills have become a little rusty over the years. Seriously. And what in the hell is wrong with our Anglo/Celtic system of common law, rights, culture and expression anyway that it is somehow "boring boring boring"? What we have here represents the very last remnants of a very large and diverse set of cultures that produced a system of rights and freedom that brought humanity forward more in 300 years than the previous combined 20,000+ years of human history was able to. I strongly suspect that those who cry and moan about Western culture and its adherents fantasize about a return to pounding clothes in disease infested rivers, with them at the top of the pig pile as some kind of God-King.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
There is not a thing wrong with cherishing one's culture and defending it. But this should never involve attacking and trying to destroy that of other people. And in thst equation, one is always going to create conflict and drive oneself crazy if one does not recognize that as nice as one's culture was and is, it never lives in a vacuum and is always evolving and changing. And whether it involves people like the Romans adopting the Greek panthion of pagan gods, Christianity coming to Ireland, American kids learning Japanese martial arts, or a million other things, cultures always adopt affectations, ideas, and concepts from others. And when you get a mix of people like we have currently in the United States, eventually we defuse into a unified culture that looks, sounds and acts the same. My instincts and intuition say we will survive as a nation and people and will e around for at least a few more hundred years. And those Americans will look and act differently then we do as racially and culturally we meld together. Change scares people and it should be done carefully and the values and good things of the past should always be learned from, honored and taught. Change, defusion, and other aspects of physics apply to us as well as anything else in the universe. And one can rant, rave and try to defeat them in a valiant joist against a windmill. But sooner or later one is going to have to stop and realize that there are realities that are fundamental such as the laws of physics and trying to make things live in a perfect vacuum of preventing change is not going to happen.
How does the Atzlan movement fit into your statement's intents? Straw man, nobody I know of doesn't recognize that culture changes. Straw man. Being against illegal immigration isn't standing in defiance of physics. It's a political question, not a physics question. Straw man (ibid). Nobody is suggesting static unmoving culture. What is being suggested is that illegal immigration is by definition *illegal* and to allow tens of millions of people to get a pass on a highly illegal act, and to allow them to ferret into the system such that they suck out the resources without contributing to its upkeep, is wrong on a myriad of levels, it is fully and unquestionably theft It has nothing to do with physics and loosely implied references to a cultural Heisenberg principle are fully off base. I dig hispanic culture, for the most part. It too is a European based culture (gasp! boring boring boring!) with influences of AmerInd culture in it, it values family, hard work and being a good neighbor and I'm fully happy with those things. What I, and others, are not terribly happy with are the drug running very dangerous gangs, kidnappers, social welfare leeches and layabouts. If they were being imported directly from Ireland and were doing these things, people here would *still* have a problem with it. In fact, if we examine history, folks were very mad at the Irish who did this in the 19th century. Strange but true. Until you recognize that your view is crafted to fit your preconceived notions and disallows any reasons other than those you've already accepted, you'll continue to be both confused and confronted. Granted, there are some pretty sad elements on 4um who are racists. That said, that doesn't make your arguments valid. The time of PC intimidation is past. It was the pushing of PC intimidation for the last 20 years that has caused the threat you see now in front of you, that seems to be monolithic and impervious to your arguments. Without the value of PC intimidation for you, you're faced with not only principled opponents of illegal immigration, you're also faced with the spectre of some of the uglier aspects of humanity staring you in the eye and not backing down. You overplayed the PC intimidation card, and now hell is about to be paid. Welcome to the world that people like you helped create.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Cause and effect; what goes on today involves realities their actions created. n that sense, they are very much still around. So if we do not learn from their injustices and errors, we are doomed to repeat them. Not to mention some of the bad is like a string of dominos falling. The bad created can be decreased and even stopped by removing a couple of dominos from the chain. Making amends and or being accountable for the bad things those long dead people did that effect us today can reduce and even end the wrongs and ad things they did. I would say that it is fine to value one's cultural and ethnic heritage aqnd wanting it to live on; but to then say that the bad those cultures did is dead and gone so forget about it smells suspiciously like bipolar disorder on a macro scale. You are not going to create health by living on the candy of the good in past cultural heritage by avoiding the meat and potatoes of the bad one should learn from and even in ways atone for. You can't say, "My culture needs to live on, remember sacred ancestors!!!!!," and then say, "Oh, those people who did bad aare dead, forget about them." To do so just does not make any sense.
Then dig them up and make them pay. I'm not responsible for the sins of my grandfathers, and neither are you. Whomever guilt tripped you like this did you a real disservice. No question. Eliminate the war on drugs, first off, and I'd bet 50% of the problem would disappear over night (at least the violence). Eliminate social welfare as much as possible and make what little is available, available only to those who are citizens here, and the other half is solved. The drug runners/gangs would be deprived of their profits and move on, the social welfare leeches would have nothing to leech and move on, leaving only the hard working, decent folks whom I'd have zero problem giving a fast pass through the immigration system. No, that is entirely off base. You will not buy off a population of entitlement raised individuals by giving them entitlements. History shows again and again that they'll simply declare "not enough!" and be back with their hands out. You people on the left need to learn this. Straw man. Who is ignoring the bad? It's readily admitted. But, if one does not take the collectivist route, one is forced to say "what's done is done, and we didn't do it, long dead people did, let's move forward". There is no such thing as collective guilt. The Euro culture that exists today in America is a work in progress, and is a distilled version that has in fact rejected much (not all) of the bad (slavery, oppression, selective rights) while trying to enhance the good it inherited (however imperfectly). I'm happy with that. Straw man. Nobody is denying past transgressions. See paragraph above. You do not get to assign guilt to me for something people 200 years ago did. Sorry. It doesn't fly any longer. If you wish to wring your hands in pain and anguish over what your grandfather Zebadiah did, that's your prerogative, but you do not get to mandate to me to do the same. That time has passed. Your argument would be more interesting if it wasn't a series of straw men that you keep setting up and knocking down. Debate me, instead of the demons you fabricate in your head, and we'll communicate better.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Here is the creator of the Community Media Center in Eugene. You may have talked with him on Liberty Post as RaisedEyeBrows when we both sat up there in that office posting there. He was loved, he is missed.
And here is Cop Watch videographer Tim Lewis who creates 'Picture Eugene' videos. Micah is the banana doing the painting, and just one of them stupid "tree hugging vermin," pay him no mind. (Unless he's alone with yer daughter and a half rack of PBR and some kind bud of course.) Tim and I have been arrested working Cop Watch and he's a scream of a great guy. Why post these to ya? Well, it gives you an accurate taste of what kind of subset of the greater Eugene, Oregon community am proud to belong to. ARGH!
Mike... I agree with that generalization, however there is one caveat, when change comes at the...EXPENSE... of others, there is no justification for demanding such change.
Cause and effect; what goes on today involves realities their actions created. n that sense, they are very much still around. So if we do not learn from their injustices and errors, we are doomed to repeat them. . . . To do so just does not make any sense. It's you, Mike, that's not making sense. Whatever unjust conditions may have obtained in the past cannot be remedied by acceptance of the anarchic conditions that exist along our borders and the attendant bleed over of the narco-crime wave engulfing a thoroughly corrupt Mexico to our south. You cannot make amends by enabling a nation like Mexico, a country with the world's highest proportion of billionaires where many of the inhabitants live in want, by providing that nation with an economic and political steam valve and depriving it of the motivation to better itself. You can if you will, Mike, try to make amends by offering YOUR job to a willing Mexican job seeker, but don't ask an American who's looking for entry-level work or a labor job to do the same. It just isn't right, and an overwhelming number of Americans know that it is not.
I see psyops everywhere.
Oh, I get it. You hate the Europeans for taking over this country. You're one of those self-loathing, humans are destroying mother earth types. It's all so very clear to me now. Apparently the kool-aid you drank was the extra special kind, because this whole conquest of the Americas, has been happening for millenia. People have moved all over the earth, cultures rise and fall. Our culture and our nation has been destroyed from within, because of people who think the same way you do. Your kind of thinking is a malignant cancer that destroys the very soul of a nation. It's unfortunate that you can't see your own treason.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Well then geez Dr. Science, then the immigration wave into the Gadsden Purchase (known as Venta de La Mesilla, or "Sale of La Mesilla" in Mexico, where the southern part of Arizona is, and was related to reconciliation of outstanding border issues following the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War of 1846–48 is just more of the same, as the ancestors of the people that land was taken from move into old turf looking to make a better life for themselves. Gee, thanks for 'splaining history to an ignorant, no nothing 'bout history dude like me. <./sarcasm>
I am worried for you, Mike. I think while you played with trees and cavorted with all kinds of folks you missed a professional career. And, in the process you think illegals have as much a right to be in the US as we are. I have heard illegal immigrants are the first in line receiving government benefits .... have you observed that?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
lol......that's too funny Buck. Thanks for the laughs. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I see people that need to shut up, take a dose of their own medicine and to try to learn from the experience. If you truly were a student of karma, then you would understand and accept that precisely what you deem wrong with other people is what is wrong with you. That's a basic in karma--your attention is given to what you must correct and restore in your own karmic reckoning.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Do all of these burned out druggie friends of yours have something to do with illegal aliens? They employ guest workers in their "green" meth labs, or as crank salesmen, or what?
Then every illegal that STEALS the identity of a close matching profile is a BIGOT and a criminal too boot. Why don't you apply your logic in racial profiling to victims of identity theft Mike? Most illegals acquire the social standing that you sepeak of by STEALING the identity of an American citizen......bigots, eh?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think they are used to harvest the green weed grown in the back hills.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Someone using another person's SS # is an opportunist. They would likely use a Latino/Latina's number who is a citizen as much as one belonging to anyine else. You knew that of course, unless you are really mud dumb. Saying that to bait is just generic dumb, which would cover you nicely.
I was addressing them to Buck in response to him sharing stuff from here he looked up, Amiga.
Why great balls of fire Buck; I am a branch manager. It doesn't get much better then that.
I served in the U.S. Army for nine years; and your DD form 214 says you served how long?
I was a reforestation worker for 12 years, and was displaced from that position by Mexican immigrants. In the years leading up to me losing my job, my wage dropped drastically because of them. Been there, done that. Sure I have been angry at them over that; but I am smart enough to see that it was others who used them to make a buck by enticing them to come in and win contracts as the lowest bidder because they knew they would work for piss por wages. Those same opportunists want people to scarp with illegal immigrants to distract attention from them and their greed. Myself, I stay focused on being angry at them.
What? Using? Why not STEALING, Mike? That is what they are doing--STEALING identities so that they can work without hassle. So, it's okay to racially profile for a good mark to STEAL an identity? That's okay with you, eh? What you are saying is that racial profiling is OKAY FOR ILLEGALS while they are STEALING identities, but WAY WRONG for anybody else. So you don't like what I have to say and you think it is okay to call me "mud dumb" for disagreeing with your lack of logic. Good karma, Mike. lol Just because you know that you have no LOGIC or REASON to offer in a discussion, doesn't give you the right to insult and belittle in lieu of intelligent discourse. In fact, I often hear you whining something to that effect to other posters when they call you names. Oh, but it's okay for YOU, just like it's okay for ILLEGALS TO STEAL and conduct RACIAL PROFILING.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And I said they were not wrong in what they were doing by what? Because I didn't use your favorite word for it? Poor baby, my heart bleeds for you. I don't go on the defensive because favorite words are not used to express myself. I already mentioned I am the victim of identity theft and served time in jail over it before it was cleared up. So if you think i like any ID theft, up yours'.
Read it again, hero; I said genetic dumb; gave you the benefit of doubt that you might not be mud dumb. But if you can't comprehend and got it wrong, what can I say; you MUST be mud dumb. There, that better? You know me, always willing to please.
All society boils down to is the question of who has more right to each of our property. I keep saying We Do but always get drowned out, then I come here.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
I do know that the Social Security Administration has increased security and when you get a job they check it now. This is a good thing. No one should use someone's number to get hired. That is fraud.
Going for that great karma.........lol. Nice dodge on the STEALING of identities too. Diversion by insult--how original. It's okay for illegals to steal because it's good karma. Oh, and racial profiling for a good match to STEAL is good karma too. Yes, you sure are an astute student of karma. Why, you really should be a karma instructor with your emmense knowledge on the subject. /sarc
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Where's the substance? Oh, we are all supposed to cry--sniff, sniff--because Mike has been the "victim" of so many crimes. Yes, and you went to jail. But, it's okay for illegals because they are just "using" another person's identity. Maybe your identity wasn't stolen at all, maybe it was just "used" by somebody else. An asute student of karma would say that you are getting EXACTLY what you have given, no more no less, but, of course, one would have to actually have an iota of knowledge about the concept of karma to grasp that epiphany.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Are you talking to yourself, or babbling at me? Sometimes with you, it's immensely hard to determine this.
Thank Odin TSA is on the ball, eh? You familiar with the purple Montego of Eugene?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Was that insult supposed to leave a mark.........you missed. lol Try again. Try IMMENSELY hard. Might I suggest that you launder your karma, rather than creating more dirty deeds that will continue the cycle of "victimhood" and jail time, not to mention the incessant whining over all of your "bad luck" that just happens to, for NO REASON at all, befall on such an astute student of karma.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It was used by someone else, and this use was fraud. And your point is...? I also would say I am lucky in that I don't ever use credit cards and I don't consider myself victimized by a whole lot of crime. That is your spin. I did foolishly leave my wallet on the counter at the bank, so I'm sure that there is a lesson in karma there somewhere. And I'm sure that you will entertain me further with exactly how this is so. ;-D
What a double-butt-ugly loser and I'm sure that's his best pic If you put a hat on a Baboon's butt, he could cash weasel's welfare checks ROTFLMAO at the butt-faced weasel
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Mike, your post is right here on this thread detailing all your episodes as a "victim" of crimes. yawn. And it's not the first time we have all heard the endless episode repeating ad nauseum here at 4um. It's a regular re-run. It's not my spin at all........victimhood is your gig, not mine. You see, I believe in karma, which negates ANY notion of victim. That's your basic Karma 101. Of course, illegals and Mike are not, in any way, responsible for any ill treatment that comes their way. And, the illegals and the person who "stole" your identity were just "using" an identity, not stealing or creating any bad karma whatsoever, according to your logic.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What is fraud, Mike? You said the illeglas were just "using" the identity of a person, who fits a close racial profile to their own, to work. Somehow this is not racial profiling, according to your logic, which again makes no sense. But, wait, did you say that the person who "stole" your identity is in a different catagory than an illegal "using" an identity? If it happens to YOU it is theft, but if it happens to somebody else it is just "using" an identiy? You have an obvious error in logic on your part, Mike. You are very selective in what is "stealing" and what is "using" when it comes to identity theft.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I don't try to insult with every post. If I am supposed to, that is new to me. The ID theft occurred when I left my wallet on the counter of a Bank in 1980. I had to clear up traffic tickets and went to jail locally as alias me in 1985, and jail again in 1988 in Washington, because I had not checked for outstanding warrants in neighboring states. This happened a long while ago, and the burn out Dale Allan Beatty is in prison, and has been in and out of prison all his life. In fact, the Beatty clan of Cottage Grove, OR is a family that is noted for theft of all kinds, child endangerment, felons in possession of firearms, furnishing drugs to a minor, and many other things. Once old Dale was drunk and fired at a man's feet to make him dance. He is a wonderful guy, and his nephew told me once his uncle laughed his ass off at the misery he caused me. I don't particularly hate the idiot; why should I? He's obviously his own worst enemy, and not worth wasting the anger on.
Words are symbols used to convey meaning. You use your words, and I'll use mine. I see us as saying the same thing, and you have no difficulty understanding what I am saying.
Selective response there, Mike. I've heard your identity theft story MULTIPLE times. I know you LOVE to repeat it, but it really isn't relevant other than the following question that you continue to ignore: What I would like to know is why is it THEFT when it happens to YOU, but simply USING another person's identity if an illegal STEALS an identity from another person? That's the substance of the discussion, not your personal story again.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
NEWSFLASH: USE and STEAL are two completely DIFFERENT verbs with COMPLETELY different MEANINGS. They do not change simply because the people who take the action of the verbs change. Do you know the difference or not? The terms are not SELECTIVELY applied as you see fit. I seem to understand the difference between the two verbs, while you find that they are SELECTIVELY interchangeable at your whim. I don't see us saying the same thing because USE is not STEAL and STEAL is not USE depending on the person who is partaking in the action of the verb.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And am trying to understand what you are splitting hairs over. I see no point to what you are saying, as I have not used one word in place of another to try to convey that using my ID is any worse then using someone that of someone else. I see no point to your comment, because I sure the heck am not making a value judgment on what incident of misuse of ID is worse then another one.
4. Why do you ask? Is it important that your 9 years counts more than my 4? That's of course not counting the 2 years I worked for our government. The difference between you and I, is that I am consistent where my patriotism, ad loyalty are. In my mind, you hide behind your previous life, to excuse the life you lead right now. Which is okay. Everyone has to rationalize their behavior in some way right? Oh wait... I'm talking to the lorax. You speak for the trees.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Above is precisely YOUR value judgment that I responded to initially. Illegals use racial profiling to STEAL identities all the time, yet you don't call them bigots. You also made a value judgement on that same post by stating that it's "okay" if illegals are "using" a social security number to work. All along my point is that YOU can't have it both ways in YOUR value judgments. It can't be theft when it happens to you and "using" when it happens to somebody else. The same illegals you argue for are STEALING identities and racial profiling, which you claim to doth protest so much........but you give them a free pass for what you claim to despise.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I made no value judgment on one incident over another. You can try all you want to read tea leaves in my word choice, but in the end you are dealing with your opinion and subjective judgment. I really don't care what one post looks like to you over another. To me, all incidents of misappropriation of ID is bad. I like the Democratic proposal just made that includes a proposal for a Social Security card containing a biometric chip that all workers, including American citizens, would have to present to an employer when being hired. In this proposal, employers would be responsible for monitoring the immigration status of potential hires much more closely than they do now. Every employer would be required to use a new verification system, including a scanner at every business to confirm the validity of the Social Security cards of job applicants. I support stronger ID controls to end this problem. And I don't care how you want to try to interpret my words; all misuse of ID is bad. And as am no better then anyone else, it is not worse a thing to happen if it happens to me or someone else.
speaking of funny stuff---
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What a great idea. The only problem I see is that some people might lose their card. How about we just implant the chip then we wont have to worry about it. /sarcasm off
I use illegal immigrant instead of illegal alien too. We could do several round of posts on this one much as we have done now, That word choice is a result of my capricious obstinacy over an equally dumb argument much like this one years ago at liberty Post. I don't mind if you want to do this again on that word choice. I am always patient and accommodating when entertained like this.
Hi Mike The sweat lodge is open here. The best blankets in the world are on sale here, Navajo. Got some sweet cedar wood lit. Apaches are friendly, Navajos are trading blankets, Tewas pottery onsale. I can get you top dollar for a Gatteling Gun with plenty of ammo. Tom
"Satan / Cheney in "08" An excellent post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Heh, I do not support putting chips in anybody. But biometrics are a digital quantification of a picture allowing computers to recognize people. (And if I am wrong in my definition of this, I bet know who is out there who will immediately let me know I fudged my karma.) ;-D I am not against either a picture of a biometric measurement on the SS card.
You support police state legislation. It is a violation of the constitution too. 4th amendment. 10th and probably more.
They would have to have probable cause and a search warrant to get that info for the card. Or ignore the constitution.
Maybe it's because he is a hypocrite?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Sounds well. I am going out to a Native American sweat at a Native American cultural center in the Oregon Coastal range this weekend. You must have eaten enough pop corn reading this exchange to tune in on the aura of my intentions to let me know this. I enjoyed fighting forest fires with Apaches -- including one in Arizona, and I love the Diné/Navajo people. I wear turquoise jewlery, and have a Navajo blanket of high quality on my water bed. Thanks for sharing, I resonate with your post greatly, Earth First! ;-D
Well Stonie, thee piss test for drugs is illegal search and seizure too. But I don't expect to see that change any time soon because it is unconstitutional. but I have hopes it eventually will. The solution to this problem of illegal immigrants misusing ID, and other aspects of the issue is going to require a compromise that gives conservative advocacy on the issue something. I am willing to compromise to make an amnesty bill happen. That is the only way we are going to resolve this. I support this proposal, and if it passes, I am sure the SCOTUS will weigh in. Conservative advocacy on the issue is part of the dialog on this, and nothing will pass unless they get something in legislation too. And I am pragmatic enough in my old age not to have a cow over this. So it goes.
Heh, James is entertained by this thread too, that always pleases me when that happens. Even if he is way too excitable for his own good. ;-D
weasel Your welfare check is in the mail, you're happy about that aren't you? What a double-butt-ugly loser you are. I'm sure that's your best pic If you put a hat on a Baboon's butt it could cash your welfare check for you. ROTFLMAO at the butt-faced, welfare weasel
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Right........just like Reagan's amnesty solved the problem........oh wait...the problem actually GOT WORSE with 20 million illegals streaming over the border since the last SHAMnasty. If it didn't resolve ANYTHING last time and only made the problem WORSE, what's going to make it work this time Mike? What, pray tell, are YOU willing to compromise? Your identity? The illegals can USE yours so they won't have to STEAL one from somebody else. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
LOL! Since when do illegal illiterates consider "legal challenges?" Say what? Give me a friggin' break. The left joynalists are free to adopt and raise on THEIR OWN DIME as many illegals as their personal bank accounts can float. But not on my dime. Out with illegals and in with law and order and melting pot regulated legal immigration, IF we think we need any, considering our high levels of UNEMPLOYMENT.
Thanks. I notice Mike kinda fled from any replies. In fact, I tend to notice most progressive types tend to flee once they realize that their appeal to guilt no longer works. And logic probably has something to do with it as well I suppose. Or maybe it's my minty fresh breath that repels them. Who knows?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I honestly wish you hadn't let me know that you're female. For real. Please tell me that you're ugly so that I won't be attracted to you. It's amazing how utterly adle brained these progressives are. Not the leadership, they're just pure evil and know what they're doing, but rather the mob that follow them.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You're not AmerInd, you have zero clue about AmerInd culture outside of bogus forked tongue crap and you have no access to a gatteling gun. Get real.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
....born in Hawaii? Suuuuure he was. Why would his campaign workers tell a reporter something different? The Standard didn't just make this up, nor did Obama demand a retraction or correction of the above article.
To all the skeptics out there, here is one inescapable fact. There was a Barack Hussein Obama born in Kenya. He is the father of your president. He was a black man from black Africa. The name and the person Barack Hussein Obama Sr, came from a sleepy village in Kenya called Nyang’oma Kogelo. And here is another inescapable truth: the fact that Barack Hussein Obama Jr was born in Hawaii has already been proved beyond doubt by your own government. He is a US citizen. His election a year ago and his popularity around the world baffled many Americans but the fact remains he is entitled to be president. Get over it, you conspiracy theorists and people of dubious intelligence who cannot accept your country is led by a person of African descent. Obama has been examined under your microscope for at least two years. If there was proof to the contrary, wouldn’t you have found it by now? what's up with this? this lady's editors should have spotted this horrible error.
Maybe, if he was born in Hawaii, and you chose to ignore the 14th amendment. But, the US Constitution requires not just a US citizen but a "natural born citizen", which he can never be because his father was a British subject at the time of Jr's birth, as stated in the article. Regardless of his place of birth, he's a USURPER.
you better get on the hotline to goldman sachs and tell them their boy is a ringer, hadnt you?
Suuuure, it happens all the time, American born senators are wrongfully reported as being foreign born. As I said, there was no correction and you can be sure that Obama and his people saw the article. He spent 2 mil to make sure he never had to answer questions about that article in court. And we all know that HI allowed his mommy to register his birth up to a year after with no verification required, and the reasons for that policy. (to allow Japanese and other foreign born Hawaiians to claim American citizenship for several reasons, including the purpose of skewing elections against corporate interests and "Haoles" and in favor of a non white plurality, regardless of their actual country of birth.) When the state allowed births to be registered for up to a year with no supporting documentation it was clearly pursuing an agenda other than accurate birth records. And, a recently printed copy of his birth cert is no more proof of anything than a phony social security card printed for mafiosi in The Witness Relocation/Protection Program. Particularly in the one state that blatantly assumed the power to confer "natural born citizenship" upon "foreign born residents". Also, Obama refuses to explain just what type of passport he traveled under when visiting Pakistan, and he has yet to explain why all of his school records have been sealed, why he wrote no thesis unlike every other candidate offered a full law professorship, etc.,. You keep pretending that there aren't multiple reasons to question his obviously shady background and trying to ricochet me away with insults about my intelligence while amply demonstrating your own flawed mental processes. Besides, it isn't for the benefit of blow jobber groupies that I post this. (It's safe to assume that Larry Sinclair wasn't Barry's only supplier of cocaine and BJs, and not all of them wish to expose or otherwise harm him. You may be the proof of that and fear exposure as much as Obama) And by the way, newspapers don't get the countries of origin of US Senate hopefuls wrong, especially when they're printing favorable fluff pieces in support of the candidates. (Fact checking is essential and the candidate must be available to the press if he or she wants to win) It's never happened before or since and Comrade Obama is the solitary "victim of record", the one record he and his cronies and lickspittles don't mind producing....
dont whine at me. whine at goldman sachs and the rest of these people... University of California $1,591,395
do you honestly think you're gonna get any traction when the powers have invested a third of a billion dollars on installing this guy? Coded $284,930,288 (73%) ....Uncoded $103,353,467 (27%) ....Total $388,283,755
by the way, if you're getting tired of posting that jpg or whatever it is of the nairobi standard story, here's the archived url... i mean, it looks kinda cheesy when you post that jpg without any backup. . here's the masthead... you could maybe make up a story, make a jpg out of it, and post it as evidence... US PRESIDENT OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE SURFACES IN NAIROBI HOSPITAL forgotten drawer of dirty socks yields prize document etc etc etc
And maybe, since he is so kind-hearted for the illegal aliens, he could give one a kidney and another one some of his liver. And he has two eyes so maybe he could donate at least one of those if not both of them. It is pretty plain he never uses them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I would assume that their lack of reasoning skills and the fact that most people who post here aren't eat up with white guilt--what a terrible affliction that is!!!--are the answers.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Most excellent! I shall use that from time to time. Along with the video of Manchelle saying that his homeland is Kenya. I believe there is more than enough circumstantial evidence for a federal grand jury to indict him for fraud.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I agree that I have no access to a gatteling gun. As to my knowledge of Native culture, you have no idea. "outside of bogus forked tongue crap" Some latent issues here?? So get realistic.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" O, and I was in a Hogan about ten days ago.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No, actually I have been very busy and if I neglected to deal with a post pinging me, I'll get to it. Besides, I will have to look at the post you talk about, but I have made no appeal to guilt. You have your opinion, I have mine. That's how it always works, that's how it always will work.
Got Peyote? If it wasn't at Goulding's Trading Post or Mexican Hat Shell station we didn't get it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I have not spent much time looking at them, but offhand, I do not support secession of U.S. territory for it, and find them as extreme as people on the other end of the political spectrum on the issue, and support neither. As far as your claim some opinion of mine is a straw man, I don't see your point. A straw man is a pat set-up put there for the person creating it to knock down to prove it's weak. It is meant to be a false representation of opposing views. All I did in those two quotes you cite is state an opinion as counterpoint only. Dude, I just stated my opinions which like yours' emanate from my knowledge and opinion on the issue. I don't know what you mean by me 'disallowing' anything. I posted my comments as part of lively discussion on the issue. I always listen to what others say on the issue, especially those I disagree with. But I am at a loss to understand what it is I allegedly 'disallowed.' I'm afraid I am not a follower of whatever 'PC' is supposed to mean. Which is why I rarely post at forums where I agree with more of what people say. I am never interested in hearing what the group think says I should believe.
I wonder if you read my post to you, or did you put me on bozo? Mine says 4. Does your 9 count more than my 4? If so, explain why? I look at your posts, and agree with you on a lot of occasions, on this one however I don't.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
No, I like reading you and you are a very smart and formitble poster. I would never bozo you. What do you mean? 4, 9, what are you talking about, I don't follow. Please explain. Thanks.
You asked me what my DD214 said as far as my time served in the military was. Then again, I think you're squaring off with a bunch of other people. Mike, I agree with you more often than not. On the immigration thing, I disagree with you for the simple fact that this isn't just population migration. This is a weapon against our country, and our freedom. Maybe we just see things differently and I'm okay with that, but in all reality I can't understand why you don't see the deliberate betrayal of our country by our leadership, and those who have sworn an oath to repel invaders such as these.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
My hat's off to you for serving. I deal with the issue in the full context of the history of the Americas. I know that unlike Europe and parts of Asia and Africa which saw thee influx of Western Civilization from the Fertile Crescent - Mesopotamia, the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers -- the Americas have many more natural obstacles and boundaries that prevented one culture here from becoming as pervasive and dominant as Western Civilization did. As far as the immigration of other North Americans into the U.S., I support an amnesty that offers accountability and is fair to all parties. I do not view those coming here as criminals. I see them as here to exploit economic opportunities and see them on the hunt for a better life. Those that worked to exacerbate the situation and make it worse to increase their profits and to enrich themselves, and seek to pit us against immigrants to distract people from their crimes deserve to be prosecuted. Often they are wealthy and well connected and make for difficult targeting in the best of circumstances. But going after the easy target because they have bad or no English skills, lawyers or knowledge on how to defend themselves in our system should not be made substitutes and scapegoats. I don't want their heads as consolation prizes, I want to see those who used them and victimized us to suffer the consequences of their actions.
I can't disagree with you on the majority of what you wrote. I do think that if we are a nation of laws, then we should enforce them, and not selectively if it boosts the profits of those people who in effect create a slave class as a result. Crime is crime to me. I deal in black and white, and no shades of gray. You can't be a little pregnant, you are or you aren't. Same with the law. The same law that I'd like to see leveled at politicians, and other various traitors who have worked diligently to destroy this country.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Brovo! We don't an echo chamber.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I think justice would be served by denying Al Sharpton police protection. See how beautifully human nature can resolve all conflicts if only allowed to do so?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Isn't it obvious that he is eat up with white guilt and blinded by the idiocy of thinking he has to be politically correct?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I think Al Sharpston is an opportunist and a jerk. But don';t want to see anyone get hurt or attacked. If he is prosecutable, fine, otherwise let him talk and be judged in public opinion for his words and actions.
I wasn't suggesting anyone attack him, I'm not even hinting that you took my comment that way, I just think it's a pisser when I'm being forced (by the IRS) to pay for propaganda in the government's war to replace a citizenry it finds troublesome.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
That is your spin, but it is self serving. I am a quarter Hispanic; so though I am indeed blue eyed and don't show this background unless I tan up - which I do very fast with no sun burn if I were to stop using sun block. I just don't care what color anyone is. Everyone is equal before the law. I view illegal entry as a very minor thing, more an infraction then a crime like murder or theft between individuals. I want to see an amnesty that creates accountability and gives a standard to be met to stay in the United States; but I am against any immigrant, be they Mexican, from Central America, Ireland, England, or anywhere not being given a standard to be met to stay. It is your right to not concur with me, but this is where I stand on the issue. I am vastly turned off by the histrionics and irrational hatred coloring the issue. I side with letting those showing good faith y trying to fit into our society and who are hard workers and constructive in their endeavors being allowed to stay.
I haven't any solid numbers, but it would seem that some form of identity fraud would accompany life as a stowaway. I suggest we start off only deporting illegals with gang tatoos, how's that grab you?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Even at ruination of this country and its culture? Unfortunately for us Mike, there are too many that believe as you do. It is the white man that is the minority, world wide, and people of color cannot wait for the day to crush us into dust.
President Obama needs to show us his Birth Cert College Papers Thesis PASSPORT Reason for Law License suspended by BAR College financial records Legal Name Change Adoption papers I'd also like to know why three of his gay fellow church members, one of whom was in contact with Obama and Larry Sinclair were murdered within 70 days of each other, all murdered execution style and all during Obama's campaign. The odds against that happening at the same time that Obama was denying his fondness for "a coke and smile" from Larry Sinclair are about the same as the odds against being killed by falling space junk-in a word, NOT! The laws of statistical probabilities and Occam's Razor coupled with the unusual silence in the media and from Chicago homicide investigators about the obvious implications of these disturbing facts all point to the same overwhelming "coincidences of unnatural and suspicious deaths" surrounding the Clintons. Neither of the two parties can elect a candidate without problems that are inevitably solved by "timely deaths" that are most fortunate for their respective candidates. Hell, the media can't even report the cold, non-embellished facts without providing every potential juror in the country more evidence than was required to put many people on death row. And Obama's secret down low tongue washers can do nothing but hurl insults and attempt diversions anonymously. The fact that they (you) cannot offer any rationale for their obvious love blindness as they (you) frantically bungle things in a homosexual panic is as damning as the evidence. What's next, the Gazillion Gay Gallop with mauve signs and leather tube tops that read, "Heethe Innothent" and "We wouldn't thuck Barry, HONETHST!"? I guess they (you) are hoping that if he goes down he'll take them (you) with him.....Are you willing to fall on (or swallow) a pork sword for your "mahn"? Tell the truth, if you had your pick between being knighted by the "real" Queen or sharing a prison cell for life with Obama, which would you choose?
you havent answered the main question: in this era of lawlessness, what difference does it make whether obama is a kenyan or a muscovy duck?
if it's only worth half a billion dollars to these people to install the right guy, that must mean "the right guy" isnt that important... ...not when exxon makes profits of 45 billion a year.
and then there's that other question: what if goldman sachs has decided that israel was such a bad idea, right from the start, that it's got to be abandoned? would that explain israeli hostility towards obama? or is this "hostility" just more theater? it's one of those "wait and see" things, isnt it? ...and the uncertainty is driving you people wild.
...and what it all boils down to, from the israeli perspective, is, "god bless our nukes, because whatever else happens, we can kill billions of people as we go under." and that's the crowning accomplishment of zionism.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. meanwhile, deathwish christians like deffenbach are supporting israel and its samson option, in hopes of being raptured before the nukes start flying.
Yeah, ya' did. LOL! I always love that kind of mushy gray stuff.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
In the case of illegal immigration I want an echo chamber, but then again I'm a tax payer who is impacted by the cost of the social services illegals absorb. What's your best guess on what that cost is to AZ the state, and why should law abiding citizens be forced to pay one dime in extra taxes to support illegals?
why is it you ignore the large percentage of radical illegals who hate America (ns)? and the bottom line is that it is an economic issue. this country cannot absorb Mexico and the rest of the world. it IS about survival. our survival as people and the nation is my priority. AmericaFirst.
Most of those coming in from the south do it to work and are decent people. I want an amnesty that makes people accountable and will send them back if they are not here contributing to the general good. I don't see an amnesty as being anything that will increase the numbers of people coming here, and it will remove the excuse that we are nothing but oppressive people that do not care about others. I also want to see stronger measures in place to shore up border security. But I know that too draconian an attitude and response to immigrants is not worth the hit to our image and standing in the world. 'And I absolutely positively will never support treating immigrants like axe murderers and violent criminals because of a too strident and angry emotional response out of proportion to the problem at hand.
Really???? a. What evidence do you have for that theory? b. And why can't they queue in line like other Mexican immigrants waiting to be admitted lawfully into the USA? Fyi, Mexico has been assigned one of the the most generous quotas for lawful immigration to the USA. America does not need millions of uneducated unskilled immigrants, legal or illegal, for its economy to thrive. The quota for legal Mexican immigrants is a GIFT to Mexicans as it is. To properly achieve "diversity," a concept which I am sure you salute, we need to drastically cut back immigration, legal and illegal, from Mexico.
Don't you support Israel, Mike? What do you think about Israel's border security measures? A-okay? Or too draconian? Or is Israel too special to discuss?
Well said. Not that it will sink in but you stated it well anyway.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians. As for the immigrants from the south, it is obvious and well known most are decent hard working people. There are bad apples everywhere, and a spotlight on them does not make everyone from the south evil. As far as the queue in line bit, they haven't, just like you have like everyone who drives have sped, done illgal u turns and done things you shouldn't because you felt you had to. I consider them violations, not crimes. Don't like my views? dial 1.800.eat. shit. They are my views, I have them because that is my take on things. I don't change them to make people like you happy.
How about you take your traveling Obama freak show to another forum, you leftist POS.
Don't you feel that you have made an inconclusive comment? Here: This should be changed to: I thought I should correct you, my little ol' hippie living in Eugene.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The understatement of the year The weseal is a repository of kookery on a political, moral and spiritual level. In short he's screwball's screwball and a nut's nut
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
He supports an agenda that will bring about the destruction of this nation. Let him spout his crap in some closet.
Amen Off with his head!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Adios MFer
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
LOL. That's about right. You know that Socialists/Communists are hard-core fascists when you peel away the goofy bullshit. They have to be. The World Communist Soviet Union (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)). You suck, and suck, and suck more, miKey...
"I don't support the way Zionists are treating the Palestinians. This includes the US government and the end-of-the-world wankers called Christians such as Sarah Palin." I'm no hippie, but I don't like the way Christian Zionists feel about and treat Palestinians either. And we should stop funding the Zionist road show in the ME, yes. So, what's your point, Buck?
Am I supposed to lash back? You have your views, I have mine. Who will I support for POTUS in 2012? Thast is for me to decide, not for you to tell be who I support. ;-D
You indicated that it was all Israel's fault. I am saying a HUGE part of the problem of the ME is all about their co-conspirators located in the USA.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Support them somewhere else, scumbag. Beat it.
And a great big fat whatever to you too. Good thing the color profile of 4UM is so distinct. You three are as strident and intolerant of free speech as those morons on Stonio's dump. Something for you to think about. Flame away, I just don't let things like that bother me. Thanks for sharing. ;-D
Quite true, so where did I say that was not so?
Next time, use jargon like: I don't support the way the 51st US state is treating the Palestinians. That way I don't have to parse/differentiate your comment to see if you know what is going on around the world.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Sorry Tom, life is too good to get angry at your desire to brow beat me. I see you are angry, I see I expressed my viewpoints. I notice that there is a video on the welcome page supporting free speech. I can only try to honestly voice my beliefs and to listen to those of others. So, how is that a bad thing? Again, you can flame away, but have nothing to apologize for, nor do I feel like letting anything about your opinion about me bother me.
I agree with what you say, but I reserve the right to use and frame my own words Buck. I don't use ghost writers. But thanks for sharing.
According to your Eugene, Oregon thread the other day ... you could be a pot smoking hippie looking for a glass object'd Art on the cheap. And as a result, I have to examine your threads/replies more carefully.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Sure you are, because the term is meaningless. Ron Paul once again called for legalization of industrial hemp. I wonder if that puts him in the hippie category with most people? I always thought William S Burroughs was the ultimate hippie. I've always admired the way hats fit him.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Heh, want to place your money where your mouth is? Contract for a urinalysis with a local reputable firm, and I bet you any you do now, or any random time in any time in the future will be clean. If I am dirty, I will pay you, if I am clean, you pay me. You set the amount. I dare you.
I am sure 'hippee' enough never to turn down free money. ;-D
Keep up the good work, scout.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
The feral reserve ziocommie goobermint should subsidize your medical mare hee juana dilemma in the new Commie Obamessiah Hellth Care Scam, eh you fucking broke dig dog...
I support industrial hemp, as it is useful fiber and food. One interesting thing about it, cannabis growers are terrified of the thought of pollen from fiber grade hemp contaminating their crops. If those against smokable hemp really paid attention, they would know that the one thing they could do that could strike a death blow to THC plants is to dilute the gene pool with fiber hemp pollen contamination in the local atmosphere.
Your free speech does not extend to speech that would collapse this nation, thanks to the impact of illegals. Think of each one as an unfunded economic mandate placed on the state they decide to live in. This is an economic and legal issue, and not racial as you choose to paint it. And u bet I'm pissed. Any American who can't see the end result of this mess is a person who agrees with Obama and his desire to fundamentally change America. I'm way done with you left wing politics.
Oh sure. By the time we set up with the logistics about your dare the shaggy hair from your head and the bowls of marijuana and the clean veins shall be "proof of the pudding." But where are you going to hide that used glass object'd Art? In your 10 speed saddle bag?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
What world kommie worth his salt can't fucking afford at least a little schweg... ? Wow, you're a pathetic little tool, aren't you.
Well, the Oregon Supreme Court ruled thst medical Cannabis cards and use of that substance can lose you your job. I need my house and job. I need my woman, bikes, ferrets, computers, and so on. No contest, I know what is more important in life, and it ain't pot. I have the responsibility to act like a grown up, so I do.
"Act" like a 'grown-up' ! You have a responsibility to grow up alright. You suck the Man's cock for the bux; thanks for admitting it you whore. You're so fucking ridiculous you have become a distant mutant caricature of yourself...
And that's why u live in a tree? GTFOOH............
Sorry for being a little off topic, but I still can't understand how the "smoking dried leaves isn't good for sick people" argument is still treading water. If not for the associated legal problems I'd say let them eat hash. What would it cost to produce in a free society, like 11 cents a pound or something?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
You think for a moment I would stick injectable poisons in my veins? As for my hair, like it long, and am cutting it short for no one. Any piss or blood test would show me clean. I have all my teeth and no cavities; I have no needle marks. And I bet my liver is in far better shape then that of someone we both know, as I don't even drink, not have ever used tobacco. If you want to be that invasive, you had better be willing to part with more then a couple of C notes, bro. But I have zero to hide. ;-)
Actually I turn 56 this month. I am willing to train people how to climb, or to participate in tree vole counts on timber sale ground, but I am not doing any sitting at altitude any time soon. I have broken enough bones for one life time. ;-) Tree sits are something to enable kids to do.
Are you telling me that you don't approve of my use of fine Irish Whiskey all the way from Dublin while you are using marijuana in Eugene, Oregon climbing trees and LOOKING out for the local crops being harvested by your coveted illegal friends from South of the Border?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Ted Nugent has long hair, plays guitar, spends far more time in the woods than most folk, wears silly looking outfits, and probably smells bad most of the time. I'll have to say hippie, because porchmonkey has already been taken.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
I am working my fingers to the bone, pal. BTW, as a HOT tip of the day ... buy some Ag ... although it could be too late.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Years ago my buddy's 22 yr old son went to AZ for his annual two week air force reserve active duty, and he was assigned to immigration enforcement. The reservist, dressed in his cammies and toting a Colt AR-15 (without forward-assist-The US Air Force bought them first and still issue their original Nam-era weapons) was paired with a border patrol agent and they stopped and "inspected" a retired couple in a motor home who had kindly offered a ride to a man with no water or shelter who wilting in the desert heat. As luck would have it the hitchhiker was "mohado" (wet) so the govt seized the couple's motor home as they bitterly wept. Just as the courts have already ruled concerning revenue officers, HOUNDDAWG reasonably extrapolates that a future court will rule, "One relies on the (legal) advice of a state representative at his own peril".
I hope you can cite that case. Because I think your facts are mixed-upped. It is not illegal to abet an illegal alien .... it *IS* illegal to abet an illegal alien in the commission of a crime just like a common criminal born in America. I wager your pathetic story never went to court .... and if there was any apprehension the personal property was IMMEDIATELY delivered back as a result of inquiry. I think your story is BS and bogus. Prove it.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#1)
I see this as a symptom of a greater cancer in this country. A cancer that could be cured if we were to repatriate every last illegal alien felon to their home country.
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave.
#7. To: hondo68 (#0)
#8. To: noone222 (#2)
A simple program to allow the necessary migration could be put in place without difficulty
#9. To: hondo68 (#0)
Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob.
#10. To: hondo68 (#0)
Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona.
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#11. To: hondo68 (#0)
Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving.
Lord Acton
#12. To: hondo68 (#0)
Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona.
Lord Acton
#13. To: Cynicom (#6)
Lets make it a stampede of parasites.
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
But who shall wash our cars, clean our hotel rooms and mow our lawns?
#15. To: All (#13)
www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html
Court: If police ask, you must give your name
#16. To: Flintlock (#14)
These wetbacks need to leave our country.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
Court: If police ask, you must give your name
#18. To: Flintlock (#17)
Court: If police ask, you must give your name
#19. To: hondo68 (#0)
#20. To: buckeroo (#13)
But who shall wash our cars, clean our hotel rooms and mow our lawns?
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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#22. To: ghostdogtxn (#21)
Sounds like it's more than just your name they can demand. Papers, too.
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The illegals I encounter on a daily basis work their asses off
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#30)
The illegals I encounter on a daily basis work their asses off for very little money
#34. To: Ferret, 4 (#31)
To me, all people are treated the same. If they are hard working, and decent folks I give them all the due respect they deserve. If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
#35. To: Ferret (#31)
#36. To: Turtle (#26)
If I moved illegally to their country, how would I treated?
Lord Acton
#37. To: ghostdogtxn (#28)
Immigration is a federal jurisdiction issue, and the feds should be handling it.
Lord Acton
#38. To: Ferret (#31)
If they are dirt bags stealing and involved in drugs or abusing others, it doesn't matter what color they are, I treat them like the assholes they are.
Lord Acton
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#32)
Maybe you can get some seed money from Al Sharpton?
Lord Acton
#40. To: Lod (#34)
Good/bad crosses all racial and nationality lines.
Lord Acton
#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist, hondo68, abraxas (#1)
I see this as a symptom of a greater cancer in this country. A cancer that could be cured if we were to repatriate every last illegal alien felon to their home country.
#42. To: hondo68 (#0)
Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year.
#43. To: abraxas (#42)
Who has been paying the bills for the family for a YEAR?
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#38)
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#46. To: Ferret (#45)
I don't see any point in your question. if someone gets stopped for an infraction, or is questioned or detained as the suspect in a crime, their ethnic background or color is immaterial.
#47. To: Ferret (#44)
He's a native born American you idiot. Your insanity in the issue is not my problem.
Lord Acton
#48. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
I pray this issue explodes, and should we meet in the street, we will be enemies.
Lord Acton
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
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#53. To: Lod (#52)
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#54. To: Lod (#52)
"We have traitors to find, charge, try, and then hang."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#55. To: Ferret (#51)
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As I see it, he has.
Lord Acton
#56. To: James Deffenbach (#55)
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#57. To: Ferret (#56)
Diaper rash, the silent killer.
Lord Acton
#58. To: James Deffenbach (#57)
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#59. To: Ferret, Mikey the Welfare weasel (#58)
she's dead
she it spawned you, the world is better off without her it.
#60. To: Ferret (#49)
Also I may disagree with people on a topic, but I never make anyone my enemy over such a thing; grow up.
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#60)
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#63. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
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#65. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
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#68. To: Ferret (#49)
#69. To: Flintlock (#67)
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#70. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#68)
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#71. To: Ferret, Mikey the Communist weasel (#70)
Communism is taking everyone's shit and putting a few assholes in control and ownership of it.
#72. To: Flintlock (#71)
#73. To: Ferret (#70)
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
Adios you Obama POS
Lord Acton
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#74)
Did you filter the Obama lovin' moron who won't admit he is a foreigner even after the First Wookie admitted he was? I think I will put him on the clown filter too. Folks like him are why they invented it.
#76. To: Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, Arator, Ferret (#75)
Time is short and on this issue, we have the momentum. Mike Alinsky [Ferret] is a time sponge.
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
Mike Alinsky is a time sponge.
#78. To: Flintlock (#77)
#79. To: Ferret (#53)
I know his birth certificate has been checked more then once
#80. To: buckeroo (#78)
What about Arator the traitor?
#81. To: Flintlock, Arator (#80)
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#82. To: Flintlock (#77)
It's going to go nationwide!
#83. To: Flintlock, noone222, buckeroo (#77)
Arizona's gonna round'em up
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#84. To: hondo68 (#83)
Here is the truth about America ...
#85. To: buckeroo (#84)
#86. To: randge (#85)
#87. To: buckeroo (#86)
#88. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
#89. To: Flintlock (#87)
#90. To: abraxas (#79)
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#91. To: buckeroo (#76)
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#92. To: Ferret (#90)
This happening in Eugene Oregon, too.....
#93. To: Ferret (#91)
#94. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#73)
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#95. To: Ferret (#91)
#96. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
Yes. He joins a small, select group of leftists. Time is short and on this issue, we have the momentum. Mike Alinsky is a time sponge.
Lord Acton
#97. To: buckeroo, Arator (#76)
I noticed you missed Arator that has BSed his way through your life. Got time to make a comment?
Lord Acton
#98. To: abraxas (#79)
Hmmmmmm.......could you source this knowledge? Who did the checking? When did they check? Even his wife says that Kenya is his home country.
Lord Acton
#99. To: Ferret (#91)
#100. To: Ferret (#94)
#101. To: buckeroo (#93)
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#102. To: Ferret (#101)
#103. To: Ferret (#101)
#104. To: Ferret (#101)
UO Ducks
#105. To: Ferret (#91)
The Arizona law I doubt seriously will last
#106. To: Ferret (#94)
#107. To: James Deffenbach, Arator (#97)
Arator did finally admit he was wrong.
#108. To: buckeroo (#107)
#109. To: A K A Stone (#108)
#110. To: Ferret (#90)
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb.
#111. To: buckeroo (#109)
#112. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
the AZ law is law and is about to go viral.
#113. To: RickyJ (#111)
#114. To: RickyJ (#110)
No one would throw away 2.5 million dollars to not show a birth certificate if they had no reason to not show it. I highly doubt he was born in Hawaii. No hospital records to speak of anywhere in Hawaii that says he was born there have been produced. Obama is being controlled over this issue by those who put him in the oval office. He must do what they want or they will reveal the truth and he will be the first president ever to serve a jail term.
Lord Acton
#115. To: buckeroo (#109)
#116. To: A K A Stone (#115)
You sound more and more like a stupid liberal.
#117. To: James Deffenbach, RickyJ (#114)
#118. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, RickyJ, A K A Stone (#116)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#119. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
the First Wookie
#120. To: farmfriend (#118)
#121. To: farmfriend (#118)
Jokes .. to simmer the thread a wee bit....
A Man Who Drives A Semi Back And Forth To Mexico and Indiana Is Driving To Mexico.
#122. To: A K A Stone (#120)
nice
#123. To: buckeroo (#122)
#124. To: farmfriend (#118)
#125. To: christine (#124)
#126. To: A K A Stone (#117)
But where do you get this 2.5 million figure.
Lord Acton
#127. To: farmfriend (#118)
Lord Acton
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
Truly a beast.
Lord Acton
#129. To: A K A Stone (#123)
.. I am a traitor ..
#130. To: Ferret (#94)
#131. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#130)
Because it's not about a Moral Issue. It's a LEGAL issue. Which is where your line of thinking is completely in error.
#132. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#130)
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#135. To: RickyJ (#110)
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#136. To: buckeroo (#100)
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#137. To: Ferret (#132)
I worked five years in the seventies and eighties on and off at 7 Eleven Stores
#138. To: buckeroo (#129)
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#139. To: Ferret (#138)
#140. To: Ferret (#132)
I really sympathize, but to me a criminal is a criminal, whether he is an American in Northern Georgia robbing a farm and or raping a wife of a Cherokee farmer off fighting for the U.S. in the Seminole Wars in Florida in the early 1800s which many did, and had happen while gone, or was a Mexican illegal stealing from you, or a Crankster Gangster making my life a horror story.
#141. To: buckeroo (#129)
#142. To: Ferret (#134)
#143. To: Ferret (#133)
Inaccurate.
#144. To: Cynicom (#143)
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#145. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#140)
"Entering our country illegally is a felony. That's about as criminal as it gets."
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#146. To: Ferret (#145)
Then there was a whole lot of crime involved in the borg-like conquest of what are now called the Americas, yes?
#147. To: Ferret (#144)
I am human,
#148. To: buckeroo (#139)
"I am beginning to distrust you, Mike. You would defend a tree and you would defend illegals. There is something ironic with the way you consider the world .... but you won't defend PEOPLE that are native to America."
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#149. To: SonOfLiberty (#146)
#150. To: Ferret (#148)
And I am a devout student of karma.
#151. To: randge (#149)
Some 'o these flakes that live in Cloud Cuckoo Land in the Drippy Northwest over-populated by "nasty drab boring boring boring" Euros should move to exciting Juarez and experience what the rest of our nation is slowly turning into.
#152. To: Cynicom (#147)
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#153. To: Ferret (#152)
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There is not a thing wrong with cherishing one's culture and defending it. But this should never involve attacking and trying to destroy that of other people.
And in thst equation, one is always going to create conflict and drive oneself crazy if one does not recognize that as nice as one's culture was and is, it never lives in a vacuum and is always evolving and changing.
Change, defusion, and other aspects of physics apply to us as well as anything else in the universe. And one can rant, rave and try to defeat them in a valiant joist against a windmill.
But sooner or later one is going to have to stop and realize that there are realities that are fundamental such as the laws of physics and trying to make things live in a perfect vacuum of preventing change is not going to happen.
#154. To: SonOfLiberty (#150)
"The people who did the "crimes" you speak of, and the people they perpetrated them against, are long long dead and turned to dust."
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#155. To: Ferret (#154)
Cause and effect; what goes on today involves realities their actions created. n that sense, they are very much still around.
The bad created can be decreased and even stopped by removing a couple of dominos from the chain.
Making amends and or being accountable for the bad things those long dead people did that effect us today can reduce and even end the wrongs and ad things they did.
I would say that it is fine to value one's cultural and ethnic heritage aqnd wanting it to live on; but to then say that the bad those cultures did is dead and gone so forget about it smells suspiciously like bipolar disorder on a macro scale.
You are not going to create health by living on the candy of the good in past cultural heritage by avoiding the meat and potatoes of the bad one should learn from and even in ways atone for. You can't say, "My culture needs to live on, remember sacred ancestors!!!!!," and then say, "Oh, those people who did bad aare dead, forget about them."
#156. To: buckeroo (#139)
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#158. To: Ferret (#152)
But sooner or later one is going to have to stop and realize that there are realities that are fundamental such as the laws of physics and trying to make things live in a perfect vacuum of preventing change is not going to happen.
#159. To: Ferret (#154)
"The people who did the "crimes" you speak of, and the people they perpetrated them against, are long long dead and turned to dust."
#160. To: Ferret (#145)
#161. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#160)
"...because this whole conquest of the Americas, has been happening for millenia.People have moved all over the earth, cultures rise and fall. Our culture and our nation has been destroyed from within, because of people who think the same way you do."
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#162. To: Ferret (#157)
Why post these to ya? Well, it gives you an accurate taste of what kind of subset of the greater Eugene, Oregon community am proud to belong to. ARGH!
#163. To: buckeroo (#92)
#164. To: Ferret (#148)
I am a devout student of karma.
#165. To: Ferret (#156)
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#166. To: Ferret (#133)
If you use race or ethnic background to steal the social standing and well being of an individual or group of people, you are being a bigot.
#167. To: hondo68 (#165)
#168. To: abraxas (#166)
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#170. To: buckeroo (#162)
"I am worried for you, Mike. I think while you played with trees and cavorted with all kinds of folks you missed a professional career. And, in the process you think illegals have as much a right to be in the US as we are."
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#171. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#160)
"It's unfortunate that you can't see your own treason."
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#172. To: randge (#159)
"You can if you will, Mike, try to make amends by offering YOUR job to a willing Mexican job seeker, but don't ask an American who's looking for entry-level work or a labor job to do the same. It just isn't right, and an overwhelming number of Americans know that it is not."
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#173. To: Ferret (#168)
Someone using another person's SS # is an opportunist.
#174. To: abraxas (#173)
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#175. To: abraxas (#173)
"So you don't like what I have to say and you think it is okay to call me "mud dumb" for disagreeing with your lack of logic."
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#176. To: abraxas, Ferret Mike (#173)
So, it's okay to racially profile for a good mark to STEAL an identity? That's okay with you, eh?
#177. To: Dakmar (#176)
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#178. To: Ferret (#175)
#179. To: Ferret (#170)
Why great balls of fire Buck; I am a branch manager. It doesn't get much better then that.
#180. To: Ferret (#174)
#181. To: abraxas (#178)
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#182. To: Ferret (#177)
I do know that the Social Security Administration has increased security and when you get a job they check it now. This is a good thing. No one should use someone's number to get hired. That is fraud.
#183. To: Ferret (#181)
#184. To: abraxas (#180)
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#186. To: Ferret (#184)
I also would say I am lucky in that I don't ever use credit cards and I don't consider myself victimized by a whole lot of crime. That is your spin.
#187. To: Ferret (#184)
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It was used by someone else, and this use was fraud.
#188. To: abraxas (#183)
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#190. To: Ferret (#188)
#191. To: Ferret (#189)
You use your words, and I'll use mine.
#192. To: abraxas (#190)
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#193. To: Ferret (#171)
#194. To: Ferret (#192)
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Someone using another person's SS # is an opportunist. (MIKE VALUE JUDGMENT)
If you use race or ethnic background to steal the social standing and well being of an individual or group of people, you are being a bigot.
#195. To: abraxas (#194)
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#196. To: abraxas (#163)
Lord Acton
#197. To: Ferret (#195)
I like the Democratic proposal just made that includes a proposal for a Social Security card containing a biometric chip that all workers, including American citizens, would have to present to an employer when being hired.
#198. To: abraxas (#194)
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#199. To: Ferret (#195)
#200. To: SonOfLiberty (#153)
Granted, there are some pretty sad elements on 4um who are racists. That said, that doesn't make your arguments valid. The time of PC intimidation is past. It was the pushing of PC intimidation for the last 20 years that has caused the threat you see now in front of you, that seems to be monolithic and impervious to your arguments. Without the value of PC intimidation for you, you're faced with not only principled opponents of illegal immigration, you're also faced with the spectre of some of the uglier aspects of humanity staring you in the eye and not backing down. You overplayed the PC intimidation card, and now hell is about to be paid. Welcome to the world that people like you helped create.
Lord Acton
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#202. To: Ferret (#201)
#203. To: Ferret (#201)
#204. To: abraxas (#190)
What I would like to know is why is it THEFT when it happens to YOU, but simply USING another person's identity if an illegal STEALS an identity from another person?
Lord Acton
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#208. To: Ferret, Mikey the Baboon Butt Faced Welfare weasel (#207)
#209. To: Ferret (#206)
I am willing to compromise to make an amnesty bill happen. That is the only way we are going to resolve this
#210. To: hondo68 (#0)
Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision
#211. To: James Deffenbach (#200)
#212. To: scrapper2 (#210)
#213. To: tom007 (#199)
#214. To: Ferret (#90)
I am through with this issue. President Obama was born in Hawaii, and anal retentive Swift Boating operations are just plain dumb.
#215. To: HOUNDDAWG (#214)
Say what may, Obama is Kogelo’s son ruling the greatest nation on earth 18/10/2009 the standard
#216. To: groundresonance (#215)
He is a US citizen
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#217. To: hondo68 (#216)
he's a USURPER.
#218. To: groundresonance, Jethro_Tull, Original_Intent (#215)
#219. To: HOUNDDAWG (#218)
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Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835
#220. To: HOUNDDAWG (#218)
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#221. To: HOUNDDAWG (#218)
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#222. To: abraxas (#209)
What, pray tell, are YOU willing to compromise? Your identity? The illegals can USE yours so they won't have to STEAL one from somebody else.
Lord Acton
#223. To: SonOfLiberty (#211)
Thanks. I notice Mike kinda fled from any replies. In fact, I tend to notice most progressive types tend to flee once they realize that their appeal to guilt no longer works. And logic probably has something to do with it as well I suppose. Or maybe it's my minty fresh breath that repels them. Who knows?
Lord Acton
#224. To: HOUNDDAWG (#214)
Lord Acton
#225. To: SonOfLiberty (#213)
You're not AmerInd, you have zero clue about AmerInd culture outside of bogus forked tongue crap and you have no access to a gatteling gun. Get real.
#226. To: SonOfLiberty (#213)
#227. To: tom007, SonOfLiberty (#226)
O, and I was in a Hogan about ten days ago.
Got Peyote?
#228. To: SonOfLiberty (#211)
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#229. To: Original_Intent (#227)
O, and I was in a Hogan about ten days ago.
#230. To: SonOfLiberty (#153)
"How does the Atzlan movement fit into your statement's intents?"
"Until you recognize that your view is crafted to fit your preconceived notions and disallows any reasons other than those you've already accepted, you'll continue to be both confused and confronted."
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#234. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#233)
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#235. To: Ferret (#234)
#236. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#233)
Maybe we just see things differently and I'm okay with that,
#237. To: Ferret (#234)
I don't want their heads as consolation prizes, I want to see those who used them and victimized us to suffer the consequences of their actions.
#238. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#233)
Maybe we just see things differently and I'm okay with that, but in all reality I can't understand why you don't see the deliberate betrayal of our country by our leadership, and those who have sworn an oath to repel invaders such as these.
Lord Acton
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#241. To: James Deffenbach (#238)
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#242. To: Ferret (#241)
I view illegal entry as a very minor thing, more an infraction then a crime like murder or theft between individuals.
#243. To: Ferret, All (#241)
but I am against any immigrant, be they Mexican, from Central America, Ireland, England, or anywhere not being given a standard to be met to stay.
#244. To: groundresonance, Jethro_Tull, Original_Intent, christine, IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, gengis gandhi, IndieTX, Horse, randge, Patriot Henry, bluegrass, ada, Googolplex, scrapper2, farmfriend (#221)
#245. To: HOUNDDAWG (#244)
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#246. To: HOUNDDAWG (#244)
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#247. To: HOUNDDAWG (#244)
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#248. To: HOUNDDAWG (#244)
#249. To: HOUNDDAWG (#244)
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What's next, the Gazillion Gay Gallop with mauve signs and leather tube tops that read, "Heethe Innothent" and "We wouldn't thuck Barry, HONETHST!"?
Lord Acton
#250. To: James Deffenbach (#249)
#251. To: Ferret (#228)
, but I have made no appeal to guilt.
You have your opinion, I have mine. That's how it always works, that's how it always will work
#252. To: tom007, All (#236)
#253. To: Ferret (#234)
I do not view those coming here as criminals.
#254. To: christine (#253)
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#255. To: Ferret (#254)
Most of those coming in from the south do it to work and are decent people.
#256. To: Ferret (#254)
I also want to see stronger measures in place to shore up border security. But I know that too draconian an attitude and response to immigrants is not worth the hit to our image and standing in the world.
#257. To: christine (#253)
why is it you ignore the large percentage of radical illegals who hate America (ns)? and the bottom line is that it is an economic issue. this country cannot absorb Mexico and the rest of the world. it IS about survival. our survival as people and the nation is my priority. AmericaFirst.
Lord Acton
#258. To: scrapper2 (#255)
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#259. To: Ferret (#258)
I consider them violations, not crimes. Don't like my views? dial 1.800.eat. shit.
#260. To: Ferret (#258)
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
I don't support the way Zionists are treating the Palestinians. This includes the US government and the end-of-the-world wankers called Christians such as Sarah Palin.
#261. To: Jethro Tull (#259)
you leftist POS.
#262. To: Flintlock (#261)
#263. To: Jethro Tull (#262)
Let him spout his crap in some closet.
#264. To: Ferret (#258)
#265. To: Ferret (#258)
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They are my views, I have them because
that is my take on things I am a moran, Traitor, One-World-Monopolist, Progressive, Liberal, Lefty, Communist- turd chomper...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
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#268. To: Ferret (#266)
So, what's your point, Buck?
#269. To: Ferret (#267)
#270. To: Rotara (#265)
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#271. To: buckeroo (#268)
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#272. To: Ferret (#271)
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
#273. To: Jethro Tull (#269)
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#274. To: buckeroo (#272)
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#275. To: Ferret (#274)
#276. To: Ferret (#266)
I'm no hippie
#277. To: buckeroo (#275)
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#279. To: buckeroo (#275)
And as a result, I have to examine your threads/replies more carefully.
#280. To: ferret (#277)
times are tough everywhere, huh miKey
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#281. To: Dakmar (#276)
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#282. To: Ferret (#273)
I notice that there is a video on the welcome page supporting free speech
#283. To: Ferret (#277)
#284. To: All (#280)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#285. To: Rotara (#280)
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#286. To: Ferret (#285)
LOL ahahahaaaa !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#287. To: Ferret (#285)
I have the responsibility to act like a grown up, so I do.
#288. To: Ferret (#281)
If those against smokable hemp really paid attention,
#289. To: buckeroo (#283)
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#290. To: Jethro Tull (#287)
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#291. To: Ferret (#289)
And I bet my liver is in far better shape then that of someone we both know, as I don't even drink, not have ever used tobacco.
#292. To: Ferret (#289)
#293. To: Dakmar (#279)
Keep up the good work, scout.
#294. To: hondo68 (#0)
"They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble.
#295. To: HOUNDDAWG (#294)
As luck would have it the hitchhiker was "mohado" (wet) so the govt seized the couple's motor home as they bitterly wept.
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