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Title: Arizona immigration law could drive (Illegal Alien) Latinos out of state
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The Arizona Republic
URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep ... -migrants-leaving-arizona.html
Published: Apr 28, 2010
Author: Daniel González
Post Date: 2010-04-28 04:28:01 by hondo68
Keywords: Illegal, Alien, Invader, Criminals
Views: 4079
Comments: 295
Adriana Miranda leaned against the door frame and started to sob. Her husband hasn't found steady work in a year. Then, on Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed the tough anti-illegal-immigration law that will allow police to arrest illegal immigrants like her. It was the last straw. After seven years in Arizona, the family was moving. "Yesterday, we sold our trailer," Miranda, 38, said between sobs. "We don't know exactly where. Another state." Miranda is not alone. More than 100,000 undocumented immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years because of the bad economy and earlier enforcement crackdowns. Now, a new wave of Latinos is preparing to leave. And it isn't just illegal immigrants: Legal residents and U.S. citizens also say they will leave Arizona because they view the state as unfriendly to Hispanics. Arizona's new immigration law is not so much about using local police to round up and deport as many of the estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants in the state as possible, said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, it's about creating so much fear they will leave on their own. The strategy is known as "attrition through enforcement," and it is a factor behind every one of the anti-illegal-immigration laws passed so far, said Kavanagh, a main supporter of the bill and a criminal-justice professor at Scottsdale Community College. "That means that rather than conducting large-scale active roundups of illegal immigrants, our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," he said. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own." When that happens, he said, crime and taxes will go down. But Kavanagh said he is worried about legal immigrants and U.S. citizens also leaving. "I'm concerned about legal residents who are unnecessarily leaving the state because they have bought into a lot of the misinformation about this bill," Kavanagh said. Phoenix resident Javier Collazo, 18, a U.S. citizen who was born in California, said he is worried police may question him about his immigration status because of his appearance. He is also worried that he could be arrested under a provision of the law that makes it a crime to transport undocumented immigrants. His in-laws are undocumented, and so are several of his friends. Kavanagh said legal residents and U.S. citizens have nothing to worry about. The law strictly prohibits racial profiling. And the transporting provision is aimed at human smugglers and other criminals, not people giving rides to undocumented relatives, he said. "They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble. They also should know that once by attrition or by enforcement we significantly reduce the number of illegals in this state, taxes are going to go down and crime is going to go down. So, it will be a better place to live for everybody." How many Latinos may leave Arizona is unknown. But the state's economy, which has hit Latinos disproportionately hard, combined with the new law, has made living in Arizona intolerable, many Hispanics said this week. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country without legal papers and lets police question people about their immigration status if officers have reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally. An anti-smuggling provision makes it a crime to knowingly transport illegal immigrants. Some immigrants said they are waiting to see if the law survives legal challenges before making a final decision. Others, like Miranda, are already packing their bags. Many said they will move to another state. Few said they will return to Mexico. Not just illegal immigrants are leaving, and the sudden loss of large numbers of people could hurt the state's already dismal economy. José Mendez, an economics professor at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, said the state's economic recovery could be hampered by the large-scale loss of workers. While wages may rise, the price of services "will definitely be higher," he said. Businesses, especially small ones that rely on those workers, will have a hard time expanding, Mendez added. There may also be a loss of sales-tax revenue and even property-tax revenue, he said. "They pay taxes every time they buy food at the 7-Eleven or when they buy gasoline," he said. Mendez also said that, in the short term, undocumented immigrants tend to be a drain on public services because they have low-paying jobs and therefore pay little income taxes. But, in the long run, their U.S.-born children tend to offset those costs through higher-paying jobs and higher taxes. "So on net, when you take those two, empirical studies have shown, they pay more in taxes than the value of services they receive," Mendez said. State Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Tolleson, said the large-scale loss of people could hurt already fragile communities. "It could destabilize neighborhoods," he said. Miranda said he spent 2 1/2 hours Saturday walking through largely Latino neighborhoods in Maryvale and west Phoenix. He said he met Latinos, Sikhs, Hindus, Filipinos and other people of color, the majority of them U.S. citizens. "They are all really concerned about the new law," he said. "The stress and intimidation makes people fearful." Phoenix resident Adamaris, a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant from Mexico, said she thinks many illegal immigrants will leave Arizona. "The economy is already bad here, and now with this new law ...," she said. "No, we don't want to stay here." Adamaris, who asked that her last name not be used because she is afraid of being deported, said she plans to wait two months to see if the law survives legal challenges before deciding whether to leave. Glendale resident John Zavala, 32, was born in Mexico City but has lived in the United States most of his life. He is a legal resident of the United States and moved from Chicago to Phoenix in 2003 because he liked the weather. But Zavala said he thinks the political climate in the state has turned inhospitable toward Latinos. If the hostility continues, Zavala said, he will leave Arizona. "I always carry my green card," said Zavala, a computer-network analyst. "Until this point, I've never had to use it. But from now on, I guess I will."
Adriana Miranda, an undocumented immigrant, tearfully says she's leaving Arizona.
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#256. To: Ferret (#254)
Don't you support Israel, Mike? What do you think about Israel's border security measures? A-okay? Or too draconian? Or is Israel too special to discuss?
Well said. Not that it will sink in but you stated it well anyway.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians. As for the immigrants from the south, it is obvious and well known most are decent hard working people. There are bad apples everywhere, and a spotlight on them does not make everyone from the south evil. As far as the queue in line bit, they haven't, just like you have like everyone who drives have sped, done illgal u turns and done things you shouldn't because you felt you had to. I consider them violations, not crimes. Don't like my views? dial 1.800.eat. shit. They are my views, I have them because that is my take on things. I don't change them to make people like you happy.
How about you take your traveling Obama freak show to another forum, you leftist POS.
Don't you feel that you have made an inconclusive comment? Here: This should be changed to: I thought I should correct you, my little ol' hippie living in Eugene.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
The understatement of the year The weseal is a repository of kookery on a political, moral and spiritual level. In short he's screwball's screwball and a nut's nut
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
He supports an agenda that will bring about the destruction of this nation. Let him spout his crap in some closet.
Amen Off with his head!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Adios MFer
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
LOL. That's about right. You know that Socialists/Communists are hard-core fascists when you peel away the goofy bullshit. They have to be. The World Communist Soviet Union (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)). You suck, and suck, and suck more, miKey...
"I don't support the way Zionists are treating the Palestinians. This includes the US government and the end-of-the-world wankers called Christians such as Sarah Palin." I'm no hippie, but I don't like the way Christian Zionists feel about and treat Palestinians either. And we should stop funding the Zionist road show in the ME, yes. So, what's your point, Buck?
Am I supposed to lash back? You have your views, I have mine. Who will I support for POTUS in 2012? Thast is for me to decide, not for you to tell be who I support. ;-D
You indicated that it was all Israel's fault. I am saying a HUGE part of the problem of the ME is all about their co-conspirators located in the USA.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Support them somewhere else, scumbag. Beat it.
And a great big fat whatever to you too. Good thing the color profile of 4UM is so distinct. You three are as strident and intolerant of free speech as those morons on Stonio's dump. Something for you to think about. Flame away, I just don't let things like that bother me. Thanks for sharing. ;-D
Quite true, so where did I say that was not so?
Next time, use jargon like: I don't support the way the 51st US state is treating the Palestinians. That way I don't have to parse/differentiate your comment to see if you know what is going on around the world.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Sorry Tom, life is too good to get angry at your desire to brow beat me. I see you are angry, I see I expressed my viewpoints. I notice that there is a video on the welcome page supporting free speech. I can only try to honestly voice my beliefs and to listen to those of others. So, how is that a bad thing? Again, you can flame away, but have nothing to apologize for, nor do I feel like letting anything about your opinion about me bother me.
I agree with what you say, but I reserve the right to use and frame my own words Buck. I don't use ghost writers. But thanks for sharing.
According to your Eugene, Oregon thread the other day ... you could be a pot smoking hippie looking for a glass object'd Art on the cheap. And as a result, I have to examine your threads/replies more carefully.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Sure you are, because the term is meaningless. Ron Paul once again called for legalization of industrial hemp. I wonder if that puts him in the hippie category with most people? I always thought William S Burroughs was the ultimate hippie. I've always admired the way hats fit him.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Heh, want to place your money where your mouth is? Contract for a urinalysis with a local reputable firm, and I bet you any you do now, or any random time in any time in the future will be clean. If I am dirty, I will pay you, if I am clean, you pay me. You set the amount. I dare you.
I am sure 'hippee' enough never to turn down free money. ;-D
Keep up the good work, scout.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
The feral reserve ziocommie goobermint should subsidize your medical mare hee juana dilemma in the new Commie Obamessiah Hellth Care Scam, eh you fucking broke dig dog...
I support industrial hemp, as it is useful fiber and food. One interesting thing about it, cannabis growers are terrified of the thought of pollen from fiber grade hemp contaminating their crops. If those against smokable hemp really paid attention, they would know that the one thing they could do that could strike a death blow to THC plants is to dilute the gene pool with fiber hemp pollen contamination in the local atmosphere.
Your free speech does not extend to speech that would collapse this nation, thanks to the impact of illegals. Think of each one as an unfunded economic mandate placed on the state they decide to live in. This is an economic and legal issue, and not racial as you choose to paint it. And u bet I'm pissed. Any American who can't see the end result of this mess is a person who agrees with Obama and his desire to fundamentally change America. I'm way done with you left wing politics.
Oh sure. By the time we set up with the logistics about your dare the shaggy hair from your head and the bowls of marijuana and the clean veins shall be "proof of the pudding." But where are you going to hide that used glass object'd Art? In your 10 speed saddle bag?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
What world kommie worth his salt can't fucking afford at least a little schweg... ? Wow, you're a pathetic little tool, aren't you.
Well, the Oregon Supreme Court ruled thst medical Cannabis cards and use of that substance can lose you your job. I need my house and job. I need my woman, bikes, ferrets, computers, and so on. No contest, I know what is more important in life, and it ain't pot. I have the responsibility to act like a grown up, so I do.
"Act" like a 'grown-up' ! You have a responsibility to grow up alright. You suck the Man's cock for the bux; thanks for admitting it you whore. You're so fucking ridiculous you have become a distant mutant caricature of yourself...
And that's why u live in a tree? GTFOOH............
Sorry for being a little off topic, but I still can't understand how the "smoking dried leaves isn't good for sick people" argument is still treading water. If not for the associated legal problems I'd say let them eat hash. What would it cost to produce in a free society, like 11 cents a pound or something?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
You think for a moment I would stick injectable poisons in my veins? As for my hair, like it long, and am cutting it short for no one. Any piss or blood test would show me clean. I have all my teeth and no cavities; I have no needle marks. And I bet my liver is in far better shape then that of someone we both know, as I don't even drink, not have ever used tobacco. If you want to be that invasive, you had better be willing to part with more then a couple of C notes, bro. But I have zero to hide. ;-)
Actually I turn 56 this month. I am willing to train people how to climb, or to participate in tree vole counts on timber sale ground, but I am not doing any sitting at altitude any time soon. I have broken enough bones for one life time. ;-) Tree sits are something to enable kids to do.
Are you telling me that you don't approve of my use of fine Irish Whiskey all the way from Dublin while you are using marijuana in Eugene, Oregon climbing trees and LOOKING out for the local crops being harvested by your coveted illegal friends from South of the Border?
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Ted Nugent has long hair, plays guitar, spends far more time in the woods than most folk, wears silly looking outfits, and probably smells bad most of the time. I'll have to say hippie, because porchmonkey has already been taken.
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
I am working my fingers to the bone, pal. BTW, as a HOT tip of the day ... buy some Ag ... although it could be too late.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
Years ago my buddy's 22 yr old son went to AZ for his annual two week air force reserve active duty, and he was assigned to immigration enforcement. The reservist, dressed in his cammies and toting a Colt AR-15 (without forward-assist-The US Air Force bought them first and still issue their original Nam-era weapons) was paired with a border patrol agent and they stopped and "inspected" a retired couple in a motor home who had kindly offered a ride to a man with no water or shelter who wilting in the desert heat. As luck would have it the hitchhiker was "mohado" (wet) so the govt seized the couple's motor home as they bitterly wept. Just as the courts have already ruled concerning revenue officers, HOUNDDAWG reasonably extrapolates that a future court will rule, "One relies on the (legal) advice of a state representative at his own peril".
I hope you can cite that case. Because I think your facts are mixed-upped. It is not illegal to abet an illegal alien .... it *IS* illegal to abet an illegal alien in the commission of a crime just like a common criminal born in America. I wager your pathetic story never went to court .... and if there was any apprehension the personal property was IMMEDIATELY delivered back as a result of inquiry. I think your story is BS and bogus. Prove it.
"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14
I also want to see stronger measures in place to shore up border security. But I know that too draconian an attitude and response to immigrants is not worth the hit to our image and standing in the world.
#257. To: christine (#253)
why is it you ignore the large percentage of radical illegals who hate America (ns)? and the bottom line is that it is an economic issue. this country cannot absorb Mexico and the rest of the world. it IS about survival. our survival as people and the nation is my priority. AmericaFirst.
Lord Acton
#258. To: scrapper2 (#255)
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#259. To: Ferret (#258)
I consider them violations, not crimes. Don't like my views? dial 1.800.eat. shit.
#260. To: Ferret (#258)
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
I don't support the way Zionists are treating the Palestinians. This includes the US government and the end-of-the-world wankers called Christians such as Sarah Palin.
#261. To: Jethro Tull (#259)
you leftist POS.
#262. To: Flintlock (#261)
#263. To: Jethro Tull (#262)
Let him spout his crap in some closet.
#264. To: Ferret (#258)
#265. To: Ferret (#258)
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They are my views, I have them because
that is my take on things I am a moran, Traitor, One-World-Monopolist, Progressive, Liberal, Lefty, Communist- turd chomper...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#266. To: buckeroo (#260)
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#267. To: Jethro Tull (#262)
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#268. To: Ferret (#266)
So, what's your point, Buck?
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#270. To: Rotara (#265)
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#271. To: buckeroo (#268)
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#272. To: Ferret (#271)
I don't support the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.
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#274. To: buckeroo (#272)
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#275. To: Ferret (#274)
#276. To: Ferret (#266)
I'm no hippie
#277. To: buckeroo (#275)
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#279. To: buckeroo (#275)
And as a result, I have to examine your threads/replies more carefully.
#280. To: ferret (#277)
times are tough everywhere, huh miKey
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#281. To: Dakmar (#276)
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#282. To: Ferret (#273)
I notice that there is a video on the welcome page supporting free speech
#283. To: Ferret (#277)
#284. To: All (#280)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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#286. To: Ferret (#285)
LOL ahahahaaaa !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#287. To: Ferret (#285)
I have the responsibility to act like a grown up, so I do.
#288. To: Ferret (#281)
If those against smokable hemp really paid attention,
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#291. To: Ferret (#289)
And I bet my liver is in far better shape then that of someone we both know, as I don't even drink, not have ever used tobacco.
#292. To: Ferret (#289)
#293. To: Dakmar (#279)
Keep up the good work, scout.
#294. To: hondo68 (#0)
"They should know that it prohibits racial profiling," Kavanagh said. "They should know that if they are transporting someone, even if they know the person is illegal, as long as they are not doing a separate illegal act, they are not going to get into trouble.
#295. To: HOUNDDAWG (#294)
As luck would have it the hitchhiker was "mohado" (wet) so the govt seized the couple's motor home as they bitterly wept.
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