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Title: Judge orders release of 9 Hutaree militia members
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URL Source: http://freep.com/article/20100503/N ... e-of-9-Hutaree-militia-members
Published: May 3, 2010
Author: BY DAVID ASHENFELTER
Post Date: 2010-05-03 19:44:09 by gengis gandhi
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Views: 279
Comments: 22

Judge orders release of 9 Hutaree militia members BY DAVID ASHENFELTER FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Comments (284) Recommend (15) Print E-mail Letter to the editor Share A federal judge in Detroit today ordered the release of nine members of a Lenawee County Christian militia group freed on bond over the objections of federal prosecutors.

“The United States is correct that it need not wait until people are killed before it arrests conspirators,” U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts said in a 36-page decision. “But, the Defendants are also correct: their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech, is a right that deserves First Amendment protection.”

She said federal prosecutors failed to persuade her that the defendants must be jailed until trial.

It is unclear whether the U.S. Attorney’s Office will appeal the decision.

"We will be reviewing and weighing all of our options," said spokeswoman Susan Plochinski of the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Roberts said the defendants could be freed under house arrest on electronic tethers. They must surrender their concealed weapons permits, cannot apply for a license to purchase or carry guns and cannot drink alcohol or take drugs.

She said they must continue to work and report to pretrial services on a weekly basis.

Robert said the defendants also must provide a list of names, addresses, and phone numbers for all Hutaree members and members of any other militia groups they associated with.

Roberts put more than two dozen restrictions on the group, altogether.

The defendants are David Stone, 45, Tina Stone, 44, and Joshua Stone, 21, all of Clayton; another son, David Stone Jr., 19, of Adrian; Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield; Michael Meeks, 40, of Manchester; Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio, Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio; and Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Ind.

A federal indictment says the defendants, led by the elder David Stone, belonged to the Hutaree, a Christian militia that planned to attack local, state and federal law enforcement officers, among other officials.

All nine are charged with seditious conspiracy, attempting to use weapons of mass destruction and possession of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. David Stone and David Stone Jr. also are charged with teaching/demonstrating use of explosive materials.

The weapons of mass destruction charge, the most serious, carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.

Absent an appeal and request for a stay from the judge, authorities said the nine would be brought to the U.S. Courthouse in Detroit on Tuesday for release.

"We're excited but I haven't digested the order yet," said William Swor of Detroit, who represents David Stone, the alleged leader of the group. Another defense attorney, Michael Rataj, said defense lawyers are waiting to see if the U.S. Attorney's office decides to appeal Roberts' order and ask her to delay implementing the decision.

But Rataj said Roberts indicated in the decision that she wasn't interested in granting a stay.

The defendants are being held in jails in several counties, including Sanilac, St. Clair and Wayne.

Check back with Freep.com for more details.

Contact DAVID ASHENFELTER: dashenfelter@freepress.com.

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#1. To: All (#0)

hoping for huge massive lawsuit...

yeah, taking money from a govt that really don't have any of its own

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-05-03   19:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#1)

The law should be written to hold Feral Persecutors and the Feral Bureau of Instigation members personally liable to the full extent of their personal resources. Having the government pay the fines and settlements protects them from the consequences of their misdeeds.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-03   19:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

absolutely. no other line of work can you rape, kill, poison, torture or ruin peoples name and never have a damn thing happen to you.

'It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand.'

- Apache proverb

gengis gandhi  posted on  2010-05-03   19:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#2)

Robert said the defendants also must provide a list of names, addresses, and phone numbers for all Hutaree members and members of any other militia groups they associated with.

This judge needs to on the receiving end of our current system of "law".

She makes them guilty before trial.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-03   20:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#2)

The law should be written to hold Feral Persecutors and the Feral Bureau of Instigation members personally liable to the full extent of their personal resources. Having the government pay the fines and settlements protects them from the consequences of their misdeeds.

No one questions your generalized statements. But the "evidence" and "affidavits" by FBI and local law enforcement agencies suggest the Hutaree were planning to murder local LEOs.

In the case of these Hutaree members, not even the local militias wanted to be associated with them and IN FACT helped to turn them in to LEO. They are religious zealots begging for some sort of doomsday occurrence.

“But, the Defendants are also correct: their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech, is a right that deserves First Amendment protection.” -- article

As most of the time..... you act as though you don't understand a significant underpinning about due process.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-03   20:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

They must surrender their concealed weapons permits, cannot apply for a license to purchase or carry guns and cannot drink alcohol or take drugs.

What have they got to live for?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-03   20:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#4)

This judge needs to on the receiving end of our current system of "law".

She makes them guilty before trial.

She took away most of their rights before they were convicted of a d@mned thing.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-03   20:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#5)

So, in other words you are assuming that they are guilty before any independent evidence is presented. Correct?

Of course the Feral Bureau of Instigation has never been known to use agent provocateurs to incite action that they could then grandstand on. Right?

All we have at this point are the words of the Feral Bureau of Instigation and Persecutors who could care less about anything other than getting another scalp on their belt.

And of course government snitches informants always tell the truth. Right?

And the FBI didn't tell the Bomb Maker in the first WTC bombing to NOT substitute inactive components to prevent the bomb from working. Right?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-03   20:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#4)

This judge needs to on the receiving end of our current system of "law".

She makes them guilty before trial.

And is abusing her authority in compelling them to become government snitches.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-03   20:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Nothing unusual in judges or anyone who "works" for the government to abuse their authority. That is a dog bites man story. A man bites dog story would be to find a judge who didn't abuse their authority and understood that the Constitution was written in plain English and contains no penumbras or unicorns.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-03   20:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-03   20:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#7)

Under what authority does she tell them what they may, or may not, ingest while awaiting trial?

This will be an interesting case to follow.

Lod  posted on  2010-05-03   20:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#12)

Under what authority does she tell them what they may, or may not, ingest while awaiting trial?

I am sure that she thinks she is the Great and Powerful Oz since she is a federal judge.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-03   20:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#5)

As most of the time..... you act as though you don't understand

Hahahaha ... you have a lot of nerve even opening your trap. You always act like you don't understand ... anything ... ever !

"April 15th is really April FOOL'S DAY."

noone222  posted on  2010-05-03   21:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#8) (Edited)

Real nice guys saving Israel, huh?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-03   21:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: gengis gandhi (#1)

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-03   21:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Well now, very interesting. Based on the judge's words and ruling, apparently nobody was actually *planning* anything, it sounds more rather like they were sitting around bitching about cops and saying that they hated them and wised they would die. Which is not conspiracy.

But, and this is important, they served as a good whipping post to drive home the "Christians are right wing nuts who want to kill government" message for the Obama team. The release will be forgotten and over time you'll hear idiots in the MSM reference back to "right wing government killing Christians".

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-04   8:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Flashback, lest we fergit cuz of the Hutaree hype:

William Ayers, the Weather Underground and Obama and Clinton

Obama's lifelong relationship with one of the most successful Communist Terrorists in the 1960s, William Charles "Bill" Ayers:

"Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang," Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[8] The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS. [sic]

Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, [former Weatherman member Cathy] Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[11] In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[8] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[12] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway." (source)

Ayers apologists claim that his bombings never hurt anybody. Another Communist lie:

"After the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion in 1970, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton were killed when a bomb being assembled in the house exploded, Ayers and several associates evaded pursuit by US law enforcement officials. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him. Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972".... (Ibid)

"Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn were accused in 2009 of bombing a police station and killing Sgt. Brian McDonnell (Source)

[sic] [Bill Clinton] commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-05-05   19:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: James Deffenbach (#13)

I am sure that she thinks she is the Great and Powerful Oz since she is a federal judge.

Rodney King in 2012!

Paid for by the Free Willie Horton subcommittee on social justice, eh?

“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft

Dakmar  posted on  2010-05-05   20:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)

it sounds more rather like they were sitting around bitching about cops and saying that they hated them and wised they would die.

If that's a crime half of America would be in jail--I bet a lot of people have thought that, or something close to it at one time or another, especially when they see the boys in blue out of control and tazing some harmless old man or hearing about them shooting someone and using a throw down to make it look like their victim was armed. And the ones who go around in their BDU's looking like a bunch of ninjas and protecting idiots like Obama from old folks and little kids at a Tea Party gathering are not exactly what I would call "salt of the earth."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-06   6:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GreyLmist (#18)

"After the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion in 1970, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton were killed when a bomb being assembled in the house exploded

Not taking up for Ayers whatsoever--anyone who is a close associate of Obama would automatically make them suspects of any number of crimes--but it sounds like no one died in that instance who didn't need killing.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-06   7:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dakmar (#19) (Edited)

Rodney King in 2012!

Paid for by the Free Willie Horton subcommittee on social justice, eh?

Remember that big riot and the niggers--and yeah, they weren't decent black people but niggers who were out rioting and stealing--would be carrying a tv out of a store and saying, "This is for Rotney"? And it is not likely they ever heard of "Rotney" too long before they stole the tv or whatever. And the eftards beat that poor truck driver half to death for the crime of "being white" I guess. Too bad he didn't have a machine gun and killed a bunch of them when they opened his door and dragged him out of his truck.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-06   7:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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