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Title: Army Preps for Tea Party 'Terrorists'
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URL Source: http://patriotpost.us/alexander/201 ... reps-for-tea-party-terrorists/
Published: Apr 29, 2010
Author: By Mark Alexander
Post Date: 2010-05-06 07:37:13 by DeaconBenjamin
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Publisher's Note: Senior Command staff at Ft. Knox contacted me on the date of publication. They confirmed that there was a security exercise at Ft. Knox this week. An officer in the security loop altered the scenario "in order to make it more realistic." The alterations were not approved at the Command level and were not used by the Installation Command Post. The officer who circulated the scenario through official channels has been identified and will "receive appropriate counsel." Further, Command staff noted, "An official investigation has been initiated to determine the manner in which this information was included in the exercise scenario. Fort Knox leadership is committed to continued positive associations with our community groups and organizations and will continue to work to enhance and improve those relationships." Commanders provided assurance that this type of scenario would not find its way into official circulation again. The fact that any officer would associate Tea Party folks with "white supremacists" armed with "military grade weapons" and "bomb making components," and believe that association would make this scenario "more realistic," is troubling, at best. We owe our gratitude to a handful of Patriots, who, at risk to their careers, came forth with this information and expected us to handle it honorably and accurately -- and we did just that. In regard to the verbatim scenario documentation we posted, even though those documents were not classified, Command staff asked that we remove them for specified security reasons. As our mission is not only to uphold our Constitution by holding those in positions of authority accountable to their oaths, but also to support our uniformed Patriots, I agreed to remove the documents from our Web site as requested. "The duty imposed upon [the president] to take care, that the laws be faithfully executed, follows out the strong injunctions of his oath of office, that he will 'preserve, protect, and defend the constitution.' The great object of the executive department is to accomplish this purpose; and without it, be the form of government whatever it may, it will be utterly worthless for offence, or defence; for the redress of grievances, or the protection of rights; for the happiness, or good order, or safety of the people." --Justice Joseph Story A few months back, the commander in chief of our Armed Forces, that erstwhile community organizer Barack Hussein Obama, denigrated a large cross section of Americans who identify with the Tea Party movement -- those who advocate for Essential Liberty and Rule of Law. Obama identified them as malcontents, "waving their little tea bags." Since then, the Obama administration and their Leftmedia sycophants have endeavored to characterize Tea Party attendees as rude, radical, racist, redneck, enemies of the state. They have attempted to tie high-profile acts of violence against the government to the Tea Party, including the pilot who crashed his plane into a Texas IRS headquarters. (Turns out, he was a Leftwing nut.) In fact, Americans who attend Tea Party rallies are from all walks of life, as noted in the Patriot Declaration, Patriots who are peacefully and constitutionally petitioning their government for redress. As I noted in my tax-day essay, Tea Parties are "not a call for revolution but for restoration -- a call to undertake whatever measures are dictated by prudence and necessity to restore constitutional Rule of Law." However, Obama's words do have consequences. This week, I was contacted by a number of civilian and military personnel (enlisted and officer ranks) who expressed concern about a military exercise scenario proposed for Ft. Knox, the U.S. Bullion Depository. (For the record, I called Ft. Knox security for an official comment and received the standard reply: "We are not authorized to discuss this exercise.") As with most such exercises, the Ft. Knox scenario outline occurred in stages, as if real time intelligence was being provided at various intervals. The first intel advisory I received was issued on Friday, 23 April 2010, and identifies the terrorist threat adversaries as "Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party." You read that right: "TEA Party"! The advisory states that plans for a demonstration may have been interrupted by "Federal and local law enforcement" raids on a "White Supremacists Organization," but "TEA Party organizers have stated that they will protest at the Gold Vault at a future date." Further, the intel advisory states, "Anti-Government - Health Care Protesters have stated that they would join the TEA Party as a sign of solidarity." In accordance with the exercise proposal, Ft. Knox post security is placed on high alert because, "these groups are armed, have combative training and some are former Military Snipers. Some may have explosives training / experience," and "a rally at their compound / training area is scheduled." Another intel update was issued on Monday, 26 April 2010, noting that the "rally at the Militia compound occurred," and "Viable threats ... have been made." The intel on the rally notes, "Many members were extremely agitated at what they referred to as Government intervention and over taxation in their lives. Alcohol use 'fanned the flames.' Many military grade firearms were openly carried. An ad hoc 'shoot the government agent' event was held with prizes (alcohol) given for the best shot placement." The report states further, "Components of bomb making are reported to have been on the site. Some members have criminal records relating to explosive and weapons violations." In response to the "immediate threat," the exercise stipulates, "local detention centers are being made ready for mass arrests." Both the "QRF I and QRF II" are placed on two hour recall, and the "5-15 CAV" was ordered to "draw weapons from holder and store in most available arms room," and "coordinate with MASA for immediate ammunition draw; have equipment readied for immediate use, i.e. vehicles staged and loaded IAW 5-15 CAV SOP; LMR's charged." QRF refers to Quick Reaction Force. QRF I is the 194th Armored Brigade. QRF II is the 194th Armored Brigade. The 26 April order gives specific instructions for the 5-15 CAV (a 16th Cavalry battalion) to have weapons, ammo, vehicles and communications at ready, and it places the other 2,200 members of the units on two-hour recall. In other words, these orders are to gear up for defending Ft. Knox against Tea Party folks and their co-conspirators who oppose nationalization of our health care sector. Now, for almost 30 years I have, on occasion, participated in the development and implementation of small and large scale military exercises within the U.S. and around the world. Such exercises are critical to the readiness of our forces, and the standard for the real time intel reports in these drills requires thinly veiled references to assets of existing or collateral threat vectors, communist regimes such as China and terrorist networks such as al-Qa'ida, etc. Perhaps the author of the Ft. Knox scenario should focus on a response plan for, say, an Islamic terrorist who attacks unarmed troops on his own post. (See Ft. Hood / Major Nidal Malik Hasan.) While the Ft. Knox exercise scenario is amateurish in its construct (meaning it appears to be composed by someone with not much experience in such matters), the fact that it made it out into official channels sets an ominous political precedent. The military officers and enlisted personnel with whom I spoke are all dedicated uniformed Patriots who are loyal, first and foremost, to their oath to "support and defend" our Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Their concerns about this exercise mirrored my own. As one put it, the scenario "misrepresents freedom loving Americans as drunken, violent racists -- the opponents of Obama's policies have been made the enemy of the U.S. Army." They were equally concerned that it appears the command staff at Ft. Knox had signed off on this exercise, noting, "it has been issued and owned by field grade officers who lead our battalions and brigades," which is to say many Lieutenant Colonels saw this order before it was implemented. It's not likely that Ft. Knox Commanding General James Milano or Deputy Commander Col. David Teeples, or even the regimental and brigade commanders for the 16th Cav and 194th AB, actually read the exercise scenario, but that doesn't absolve responsibility for such an egregious example of political agendas infiltrating military exercise scenarios. One officer insisted, "The American people should require greater accountability of their commissioned officers, that they abide by their oath and never allow politically motivated propaganda like this exercise on any post or base again." Another observed, "Whether this is complacency by officers who do not see such orders as a problem, or worse, officers who recognize the problem but do not insist the orders are changed, this is a serious problem. We are discussing the training of American citizen soldiers in the use of potentially deadly force against a specific group of political dissenters. There is never a time in an officer's career in which he does not have a duty to apply critical thought to the orders he is given and asked to give. It is my opinion that any officer that has allowed these orders to persist, to reach the level of junior officers and soldiers, has demonstrated a lack of judgment or apathy towards what his duty requires of him. Either way, we should demand more of the commissioned officers, who we as a nation empower to lead our sons and daughters into battle." Indeed, and at best, the blatant malfeasance on the part of the individuals who composed this exercise reflects poorly on the uniformed services. The antidote to this patent misrepresentation of peaceable Patriots is to expose it with the Light of Truth. As our motto Veritas vos Liberabit affirms, the Truth shall set you Free!
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#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#4)
You cannot vote your way to freedom ... Perhaps you used a poor choice of words? As has always been our form of government, we CAN vote for freedom at all times, that is how the system was originated. Do we vote for freedom? Not since the Civil War. That being the case, the only other viable pathway to freedom is, once more, the path of Revolution or Civil War. You leave no other option. In the past election there were eighty million people that could have voted, but did not. Such inaction indicates to a thinking person that a large number of Americans realize the futility of voting. You state the failure of voting, and recognize the alternative.
Everyone has to deal with this mess on an individual basis, and good luck with whatever it is you choose to do. If I and my family were younger, perhaps I'd look into some of those choices myself, but given the stage of life I'm at, I'll live here in America until I die. And If I were a betting man, I'd guess many of us won't be dying of natural causes, but I have absolutely no regrets about that. The splintering of those of us who get it is a result a lack of leadership. I've been through this void since George Wallace with the Ron Paul prat fall being the latest. So, again, here I sit eagerly awaiting the start of college football while hoisting a middle finger to the oafs who continue to look for a political saviour.
Too bad the rat warren (building) was left standing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Voting gives legitimacy to this corrupt government.
No, the choice was correctly worded and precise. Incorrect. The original system ceded that rights belonged to individuals outside of any government, as inherent in our nature as human beings. Government cannot and could not grant a freedom, therefor you cannot by definition "vote for freedom at all times", since government cannot grant freedoms in the first place, it can only impede their exercise. Governments were instituted ONLY to guarantee the freedoms, not grant them, and existed only by the consent of the governed, and if they should stop performing that duty it was our right and obligation to *overthrow* that government and replace it with one compatible with original intent. Remember, a government that stops guaranteeing liberty is one that will not act for liberty, regardless of how you vote, ergo overthrowing that government was the solution the Founders recommended. Jefferson was quite clear about what was needed to water the tree of liberty. That is the system as it was originated, look it up. It is not I who leave no other path, it is your government that leaves no other path. They refuse to follow the simple rules we put down for them to follow, the Constitution. They are lawless. You cannot constrain them, I cannot constrain them, they are rogues and criminals. Vote all you want, and they'll just smile knowing that there is another sucker still participating in the charade and lending them sanction to continued wrong doing. I'll grant some of them, but I suspect that a lot of them are simply apathetic to most things. Not that it ultimately matters of course. Aye, that I do, thank you.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
If the founders only objective had been to attain liberty for "posterity" and they could have known what people put up with and have put up with since around 1850 and especially from 1913 and onward they would have said, "Screw 'em, they aren't worth it." Or words to that effect.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. There isn't a soul (save Traficant) who is worth the time and effort it takes
to vote. My last vote three votes for president have been Perot '92, Perot '96
and Buchanan '00. I haven't "exercised my sacred right" since because the the
major choices were trash and the sub choices haven't a chance.
Here Hitlery is saying she is tired, even sick and tired, but when she was talking to the homeys in their church she said she "don't feel no ways tard." Stupid cow.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Of course it's all about the "white terrorists", anybody can repel unruly mexicons/blacks with just firehoses...
_________________________________________________________________________ I, personally, don't understand giving up a mugshot and a set of fingerprints to do what the Founding Fathers intended to be a given.
_________________________________________________________________________ There's little to understand. Either we're free, or we're not. If you have to beg permission for a license to do something, you're not free, you're a serf. I refuse, absolutely refuse, to get a CCW. If I wish to carry, I'll carry, at my will and my determination and on my terms. I will no more ask for government permission to carry a gun than I would ask government permission to read a book.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I have made a conscious note of what you post, how you respond to others, and how inconsistent you are. While you preach to others what to do, you are planning a totally different approach for yourself. Therefore, of the three alternatives you have given to the problem you now address, which one are you taking? 1) The sucker route, 2) the apathetic route; or 3) the runner route (by leaving the country). You might look down, Son ... the paint is getting close to putting you in the corner.
LOL! Yeah, I just go from one side to the next all the time. Yep. I'm urging others to engage in peaceful civil dissent, which is also what I plan to do and have stated as much countless times. I also have contingency plans in the event that this doesn't work, as should everybody. You seem to have no clue what I'm stating or saying, and further, you cannot answer my posts but need instead to make this personal. That's quite telling, you wish to remain a tool, and that's your choice. Don't blame others if they see that kind of action as foolish. YOU were the one who claimed that these were the only three routes. The fourth route is peaceful civil disobedience, which I even explicitly point out in post #14. If you had ACTUALLY followed my posts, which you clearly have not been, you'd see I've been urging this for months now. You know, if you'd ACTUALLY followed my posts. You overestimate your own reasoning abilities. You set up straw men to knock down and think you're entrapping others through it. It's the oldest rhetorical chestnut in the bag. Please, stop taking yourself so seriously, you're a light weight. Fact is, you were confronted with a reality that scares you, the reality that you have no real voice and control through the process you seem to adore. You're either going to have to come to terms with that, or you're going to continue being played for a fool. The choice is yours.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
With their new Caesar WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Bahaaaa! The coon looks cool on that emblem.
I recall from yesterday, Son said he would leave the country before he would fight for freedom, thus you are correct about his inconsistencies. He leaves himself zero wiggle room, he is either apathetic, on the sucker list or in favor of leaving the country rather than fight. All of those are categories by his own choosing and definition. Myself, I will stay and fight, I dont vote, and have been aware that the government is a scam since 1950.
Bullshit. YOU made that insinuation on the only thread we discussed things on yesterday, as if it were the only thing I said. Per our only discussion yesterday, to help you remember: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=117665&Disp=51#C51 The only thing I said about moving out of country, was if they instituted a draft, and then to protect my children from induction, and if it gets to that point then it's clear that civil disobedience, which I'm urging *right now today* has failed. You clearly are not reasoning fully. I know though, I'm challenging your elderly girlfriend, so you have to attack. The first option is always civil disobedience, which I've advocated clearly and consistently for months now. I do however think that will fail and that I will have to ultimately expatriate, which is why I also state that this is also in the works. Hope this clears things up for you.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
My personal solution, as well, Cyni. I DO vote, but have also been aware that the government is a scam. When I DO vote, however, I write in a candidate, i.e., Perot, Mickey Mouse, or maybe some sports figure. By voting in this manner, the bastards can't categorize me. Does that solve anything? I have convinced myself it does, and that is all who counts!!!
It getting Very Hard to find good pics of monkey boy On a 1 to 10, I give this one a 3
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I haven't seen anyone else do it any better, Flint. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, but I don't make'em, I find'em, and good ones are almost impossible to find. The PTB sweep Google regularly, and even the foreign search engines seem devoid.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..... I thought I saw one of those after a pub crawl early last month :P
I tell people this often..... In Federal elections it is interesting in any political sub division, if one matches the total number of voters against the votes for President. There is always a large number of people that cast no vote for president.
I was aware of that "counting" method years ago and decided to join 'em.
Perhaps they are "hybrid" voters???? A cross between a no voter and the straight ticket voter??????
So now I'm a hybrid. Well, its better than some of the things I been called!!!
Please dont tell me.
I acknowledge the 4th as being peaceful civil disobedience, but most of us prefer to stay and fight, if that becomes necessary. Very few will take your choice of running.
I won't ... no time, anyway. Man from exterminating company is here making inspection for termites. Every time I sit down to read and post I get interrupted with another one of his questions.
Ah, another display that you don't understand what you read. You've had your error pointed out to you now (an error you made to steer the conversation away from a topic you are uncomfortable with). Your choices at this point are to correct your error and note that you were wrong in regards to what you think I am advocating, or to become dishonest. Which will it be? Are you going to admit your error, or prove yourself a liar?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Just as long as you haven't been called late to dinner it's all good ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ I don't think they can draft anyone who refuses to step forward and take that oath. I remember some of what I have read about it and it seems that up until you do that you are a civilian and military officers can't order civilians to do anything (unless it is under martial law I suppose).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What? The draft sends you a draft notice and you show up or go to jail. You sign their papers, or you go to jail in chains. That's how I've always heard it told.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Good heavens James. In 1952 the FBI and local police showed up on my Fathers doorstep looking for me as a draft dodger. They DO drag you away in chains if necessary. It is not the military, you are in violation of Civil Law.
The following is my understanding of this issue. NO DODGING ? JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER? HERE'S HOW: I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE "DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases they are in error! AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.' Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand' and refuse to VOLUNTEER! 1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to 4F(unfit for duty). 2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified. 3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be issued. 4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line (painted on the floor) 5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or whatever)to take one step forward...(Oh, oh, THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God." 6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily! (all added emphasis by bolding and italicizing is mine) 7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!" 8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as witnesses. 9.IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge. However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING! One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the witness stand: "Am I ordered?" If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until you get Yes or No. If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military officer, to order me, a civilian?" Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes, then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question. Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney." Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question. homepage: homepage: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=63207 As I understand it, military officers cannot require civilians to do a d@mned thing unless the country is under martial law and then it is a choice of obey them or be shot if you refuse. So far as I know martial law has not yet been declared.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Does the "Civil Law" require you, a civilian, to take a step forward and recite an oath? I don't think so because you would have a slam dunk case of being forced into involuntary servitude.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Wrong again, Son. I understand quite well "cowardice". Matter of fact, the following is proof of the cowardly remarks YOU have made in the last couple of days: 1. #26. To: Cynicom on the Mullen thread ... "My children won't be participating in a draft, thanks, we'll move out of country first before we'll allow that to happen. Given the huge fascist push going on now, that's probably a move for the better on every front anyway. and 2. #14. To: Jethro Tull on this thread: "I'm trying to build a no-consent movement. As in, full on peaceful civil disobedience. If that fails, and given the state of things these days it might, then moving to New Hampshire or Wyoming (or even Texas) would be next assuming they're intent on secession, if not that then expatriation to another country and renouncing my citizenship. Everything is on the table as it stands, I have kids and I can't let what's happening and going to happen in the future, happen to them without a fight. If somebody were to start a live fire fight though, real bullets started flying everywhere, I suppose I'd have to join the fray. Nobody has the balls for that though."
You are under civil law until such time as you undergo military induction. One may refuse anywhere along the line, the civil authorities then lock you up and you face penalties as prescribed under civil law.
Son has identified himself once and for all time as a runner, one that would rather run than fight, leave that up to someone else. Somewhere he even said he would come back after the fight was over. That happened after the Revolution and Civil War, let someone else spill their blood not mine, a flawed character I would suggest. .. "My children won't be participating in a draft, thanks, we'll move out of country first before we'll allow that to happen." That speaks for itself in few plain language, all else he professes is just rhetoric trying to cover his own character failings.
You are really, really thick aren't you? Thanks for the quotes though, they demonstrate exactly what I've been saying. Non-compliance movement as first option that I am even now urging others to do (and have been for months now), with the notion that expatriation may be the ultimate recourse, and if things go live, I'll join in the firing (which would mean, hon, prior to leaving, unless you think I have a stock of long range tactical nukes that I'd be launching from Costa Rica). Should the draft hit, that means that the non-compliance failed and that nobody has opened fire because nobody can be convinced of the necessity. So there you go. If that was too complex, I'll try to type slower for you. I have no choice now but to assume that you voluntarily opted for "liar". Well, at least now that's out in the open. :) You know, it's ok to admit that you're wrong. It really, really is. You should try it sometime.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Well Cyicom, you've proven to me and others that you will deliberately engage in dishonesty if it suits your ends. That makes you not only somebody who didn't act to stop the state of the world back before it became what it is now (prior to most of our births), but also somebody who is no better than what he wants to claim to protest. If you want to throw out the "lack of character" label, your first target should be the guy you see in the mirror when you shave. We all, the generations after you, bear you no thanks for your inability to act when you had the chance and when you could have nipped this fascism/socialism in the bud, and for leaving the heavy lifting to us, your betters. That you need to mischaracterize is disappointing to say the least. You know exactly what you're doing and that you're lying in order to get a dig in. Truly pathetic. And you lecture others on civility. Indeed. You are a disappointment as a man and as an American. Go rattle your chains at the wind while you collect your social security and medicare.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou cannot vote your way to freedom.
#16. To: SonOfLiberty (#14)
#17. To: DeaconBenjamin (#0)
They have attempted to tie high-profile acts of violence against the government to the Tea Party, including the pilot who crashed his plane into a Texas IRS headquarters.
Lord Acton
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
So, again, here I sit eagerly awaiting the start of college football while hoisting a middle finger to the oafs who continue to look for a political saviour.
#19. To: Phant2000 (#15)
You cannot vote your way to freedom ... Perhaps you used a poor choice of words?
As has always been our form of government, we CAN vote for freedom at all times, that is how the system was originated.
That being the case, the only other viable pathway to freedom is, once more, the path of Revolution or Civil War. You leave no other option.
In the past election there were eighty million people that could have voted, but did not. Such inaction indicates to a thinking person that a large number of Americans realize the futility of voting.
You state the failure of voting, and recognize the alternative.
#20. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
Vote vote vote. They need you to feel like you have a voice as they coat you with vaseline, otherwise you might suddenly realize what they're doing to you. This is one of the hardest illusions to break for Americans, the realization that they in fact have no voice and in fact have far less freedoms than they had even under King George.
Lord Acton
#21. To: Cynicom (#18)
#22. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
Lord Acton
#23. To: DeaconBenjamin (#0)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
CCW for instance, you shouldn't have to apply for a permit to exercise a right, but by golly who doesn't jump up and down at gaining that new "freedom" through their legislature? The concept is itself repugnant to liberty, it's a permission now, and not a right...weee.
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#25. To: X-15 (#24)
I, personally, don't understand giving up a mugshot and a set of fingerprints to do what the Founding Fathers intended to be a given.
#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#19)
Aye, that I do, thank you.
#27. To: Phant2000 (#26)
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While you preach to others what to do, you are planning a totally different approach for yourself.
While you preach to others what to do, you are planning a totally different approach for yourself.
Therefore, of the three alternatives you have given to the problem you now address, which one are you taking? 1) The sucker route, 2) the apathetic route; or 3) the runner route (by leaving the country).
You might look down, Son ... the paint is getting close to putting you in the corner.
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
If any segment of the US military defines a low tax, anti-government corruption movement as a "terrorist group", they no longer represent America, but rather they've become the new Roman Legions.
#29. To: Flintlock (#28)
#30. To: Phant2000, SonOfLiberty (#26)
While you preach to others what to do, you are planning a totally different approach for yourself.
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
I recall from yesterday, Son said he would leave the country before he would fight for freedom, thus you are correct about his inconsistencies.
#32. To: Cynicom (#30)
Myself, I will stay and fight, I dont vote, and have been aware that the government is a scam since 1950.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
The coon looks cool on that emblem.
#34. To: Flintlock (#33)
It getting Very Hard to find good pics of monkey boy
#35. To: Phant2000 (#34)
I haven't seen anyone else do it any better
#36. To: Flintlock (#33)
#37. To: Phant2000 (#32)
#38. To: Cynicom (#37)
There is always a large number of people that cast no vote for president.
#39. To: Phant2000 (#38)
I was aware of that "counting" method years ago and decided to join 'em.
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
Perhaps they are "hybrid" voters????
#41. To: Phant2000 (#40)
So now I'm a hybrid. Well, its better than some of the things I been called!!!
#42. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
The fourth route is peaceful civil disobedience, which I even explicitly point out in post #14.
#43. To: Cynicom (#41)
Please dont tell me.
#44. To: Phant2000 (#42)
#45. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#40)
So now I'm a hybrid. Well, its better than some of the things I been called!!!
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#46. To: SonOfLiberty (#31)
The only thing I said about moving out of country, was if they instituted a draft, and then to protect my children from induction,
Lord Acton
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
I don't think they can draft anyone who refuses to step forward
#49. To: SonOfLiberty, Cynicom (#47)
Lord Acton
#50. To: Cynicom (#48)
In 1952 the FBI and local police showed up on my Fathers doorstep looking for me as a draft dodger. They DO drag you away in chains if necessary. It is not the military, you are in violation of Civil Law.
Lord Acton
#51. To: SonOfLiberty (#44)
Ah, another display that you don't understand what you read.
#52. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
Does the "Civil Law" require you, a civilian, to take a step forward and recite an oath?
#53. To: Phant2000, SonOfLiberty (#51)
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.. "My children won't be participating in a draft, thanks, we'll move out of country first before we'll allow that to happen.
#54. To: Phant2000 (#51)
#55. To: Cynicom (#53)
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