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Title: survival: science vs stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception
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Published: May 18, 2010
Author: groundresonance
Post Date: 2010-05-18 15:08:13 by groundresonance
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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

the stupider you people are, the better your chances of being a casualty of the dieoff... more left for my share when you're dead.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1) (Edited)

everybody knows that the supply of oil is infinite, that doubling the amount of greenhouse gases will only make food grow quicker, that there's no way in hell that we could be fucking the planet up, that jesus will save us, that we should believe the israelis and israeli americans.

so what's the upside of human stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: groundresonance (#2)

everybody knows that the supply of oil in infinite, that doubling the amount of greenhouse gases will only make food grow quicker, that there's no way in hell that we could be fucking the planet up, that jesus will save us, that we should believe the israelis and israeli americans.

I am glad you reaffirmed my own core beliefs 100% ..... NOT!

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

dont you think it's a good thing that so many people are victims of stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

doesnt all this random and stupid behavior enhance humanity's chances of survival?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

after all, only a small fraction of one percent of salmon eggs have good enough ideas to survive long enough to spawn...

we can only wonder if the survivors were politically correct, salmonly speaking.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

so what it boils down to, is: the bigger variety of haywire ideas we have, the better chance we have, as a species, to survive.

someone, somewhere, is bound to be on the right track.

fuck a bunch of scientists.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

if you look at it from a scientific point of view, it seems likely that human catastrophes have been a common occurence... and the people that survived those catastrophes just happened ---maybe for one supposed reason or another, maybe out of sheer chance--- to be in the right place at the right time.

the beauty of the situation is that you can be right for the wrong reasons.

the only thing that makes you undeniably "right" is survival... and survival can be accidental.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: groundresonance (#4)

dont you think it's a good thing that so many people are victims of stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

I wish I could plunder their own naivete akin to a banker taking their savings and paying .02%/annum interest while they use a credit card issued from the same bank at 18%/annum. HELL, I would even increase their credit card limits beyond 100K.

doesnt all this random and stupid behavior enhance humanity's chances of survival?

There are those that say GOD is going to make all this right. Since I haven't seen any serious attempts lately (GOD's booming voice, burning bushs, angels, trumpets blowing) beyond ebay sales of rice cakes with Jesus's face imprinted as well as chemtrails in the sky, I would have to say no.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: groundresonance (#7)

The prophet has descended from his icy perch, I see, to address the village people below.

Come tell us, master, of just how this world is put together so that we won't die in ignorance.

The clock is ticking

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-05-18   16:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#8)

Jesus's face

if the basic christian philosophy, and christians, are the dominant survivors, who's gonna quibble with them, even if jesus never shows up?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#8)

maybe christians will turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: groundresonance (#6)

fuck a bunch of scientists.

I was once told while a young engineer by some senior level engineers at a lunch once ( I had just received an award benefit for an outstanding job, beating on Cypress Semiconductors for their VIC68 integrated circuit and creating a work-around that was timely, and cost effective ) that no matter how many ATTA_BOYS I received in my career that all it takes is one AH_SHIT and the slate is wipe cleaned as a whistle.

I have learned through time, that is a precise axiom of the universe.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randge (#9) (Edited)

The prophet has descended

the more of you people that i can deceive into a fatally mistaken belief, the more likely you are to be a victim of the dieoff.

and that would leave a bigger share for me.

that's where the "deception" part of this thread title came from.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#12)

I have learned through time

learning is not so important, unless you're learning to acquire inside information that will enable you to make money on the markets.

if you've learned enough already to equip yourself to hide out somewhere once TSHTF, good.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: groundresonance (#13)

You may have the whole pie, honey.

For myself, I no longer give a shit.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-05-18   16:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#15)

I no longer give a shit

you default, i win

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: groundresonance (#11)

maybe christians will turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

Comparable to Machiavelli's concept, "The ends justify the means" later used by Kaiser Wilhelm and his successor, Adolph Hitler?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#17)

The ends justify the means

no.

i'm saying that mormons, for instance, by hiding food in the basement of their churches in anticipation of the deathwish christian end times, might be more likely to survive the dieoff.

they were prepared, but they were prepared in anticipation of jesus showing up, which is unlikely.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17) (Edited)

in this extreme case, mormons should be encouraged in their doofus beliefs, because they might be right for the wrong reasons.

...assuming for the sake of argument that the survival of humanity is a worthwhile goal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: groundresonance (#10) (Edited)

... if the basic christian philosophy, and christians, are the dominant survivors, who's gonna quibble with them, even if jesus never shows up?

For about two thousand years (now) Jesus was going to descend on the planet. So far, when looking up, all a few people see are chemtrails while the rest of us see chemtrails contrails.

So even IF Jesus descended, the event would still create controversy and potential mayhem and war. I don't he is coming ... then again, I am not a soothsayer or a prophet.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#20)

even IF Jesus descended...

...he'd be DOA

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: groundresonance (#21)

Why?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#22)

Why?

he, assuming he existed, would know jews.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:31:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: groundresonance (#19)

in this extreme case, mormons should be encouraged in their doofus beliefs, because they might be right for the wrong reasons.

I like the part about Mormons taking as many wives as they can handle. That is an OUTSTANDING idea. I wonder how anyone can actually charm so many women on a regular basis? It needs research.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

how anyone can actually charm so many women

probably more a matter of status and money than charm.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: groundresonance (#23)

he, assuming he existed, would know jews.

I don't think that particular attribute is limited to Jesus. I think most (if not all of us) know a Jew or two or maybe more. And, we aren't dead.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: groundresonance (#25)

probably more a matter of status and money than charm.

I always thought it was about polished boots, a fine horse and a silver buckle on my leather belt. Man, I am depressed.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#26)

I think most (if not all of us) know a Jew

if jesus were to come down to earth and conform to christian values, he'd see what's happening to america, and he would have the ultimate google... he'd know the truth without having to sift through hundreds of thousands of pages of bullshit.

he'd have to put on his magic cape.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: groundresonance (#28) (Edited)

if jesus were to come down to earth and conform to christian values, he'd see what's happening to america, and he would have the ultimate google... he'd know the truth without having to sift through hundreds of thousands of pages of bullshit.

Did Jesus set out to establish a religion as Tammy Faye and her husband performed? How about Sarah Palin's religion of Israel comes before the USA?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#27) (Edited)

i'm gonna post the the thread title again:

survival: science vs stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception

...just in case anyone is losing sight

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: groundresonance (#30)

I always thought my silver buckle wooed women. Maybe the idea is based upon a cultural concept.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#9)

The prophet has descended from his icy perch, I see, to address the village people below.

Come tell us, master, of just how this world is put together so that we won't die in ignorance.

The clock is ticking

You still haven't put yon clown on the clown filter?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-18   16:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#30)

anyhow, to sum up, we have to recognize the value of stupidity.

stupidity may lead people to completely haywire paths, but, given the potential for unanticipated situations, that haywireness may have led people into positions that enhance their chances of survival.

so variations human behavior, based on whatever ill-begotten belief, will lead to better chances of human survival...

...assuming the scientists have got it all wrong, and western civilization, based on the scientists' science, is bullshit.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: groundresonance (#33)

stupidity may lead people to completely haywire paths, but, given the potential for unanticipated situations, that haywireness may have led people into positions that enhance their chances of survival.

Personal failure often leads to a desire for improved survival methods which directly leads to greater chances of success.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#34)

Personal failure

by western standards, third-world people are failures.

they are more likely to survive the dieoff than americans.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

what it boils down to, is: bless you for your stupidity, bullheadedness, and magical thinking.

you might have outfoxed the people who are trying to deceive you.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: groundresonance (#36)

bless you for your stupidity, bullheadedness, and magical thinking.

So, at the end you believe in "hope." Such a nice thought.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#37)

you believe in "hope."

i believe more in stupidity than hope.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: groundresonance (#38)

i believe more in stupidity than hope.

Explain the difference.

Here is my take: "stupidity" directly leads to failure. "Hope" leads to a new set of circumstances that may ensure future success.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#39)

"Hope" leads to a new set

lies, as long as you are able to believe them, inspire hope.

want to speculate on why so many people are dedicated to lying about peak oil, global warming and israel?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#39)

is deception meant to inspire hope?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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