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Title: survival: science vs stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception
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Published: May 18, 2010
Author: groundresonance
Post Date: 2010-05-18 15:08:13 by groundresonance
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Views: 1362
Comments: 47

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

the stupider you people are, the better your chances of being a casualty of the dieoff... more left for my share when you're dead.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:19:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: All (#1) (Edited)

everybody knows that the supply of oil is infinite, that doubling the amount of greenhouse gases will only make food grow quicker, that there's no way in hell that we could be fucking the planet up, that jesus will save us, that we should believe the israelis and israeli americans.

so what's the upside of human stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:29:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: groundresonance (#2)

everybody knows that the supply of oil in infinite, that doubling the amount of greenhouse gases will only make food grow quicker, that there's no way in hell that we could be fucking the planet up, that jesus will save us, that we should believe the israelis and israeli americans.

I am glad you reaffirmed my own core beliefs 100% ..... NOT!

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

dont you think it's a good thing that so many people are victims of stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

doesnt all this random and stupid behavior enhance humanity's chances of survival?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   15:39:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: groundresonance (#4)

dont you think it's a good thing that so many people are victims of stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception?

I wish I could plunder their own naivete akin to a banker taking their savings and paying .02%/annum interest while they use a credit card issued from the same bank at 18%/annum. HELL, I would even increase their credit card limits beyond 100K.

doesnt all this random and stupid behavior enhance humanity's chances of survival?

There are those that say GOD is going to make all this right. Since I haven't seen any serious attempts lately (GOD's booming voice, burning bushs, angels, trumpets blowing) beyond ebay sales of rice cakes with Jesus's face imprinted as well as chemtrails in the sky, I would have to say no.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:04:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: buckeroo (#8)

maybe christians will turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:08:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: groundresonance (#11)

maybe christians will turn out to be right for the wrong reasons.

Comparable to Machiavelli's concept, "The ends justify the means" later used by Kaiser Wilhelm and his successor, Adolph Hitler?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:21:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: buckeroo (#17) (Edited)

in this extreme case, mormons should be encouraged in their doofus beliefs, because they might be right for the wrong reasons.

...assuming for the sake of argument that the survival of humanity is a worthwhile goal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: groundresonance (#19)

in this extreme case, mormons should be encouraged in their doofus beliefs, because they might be right for the wrong reasons.

I like the part about Mormons taking as many wives as they can handle. That is an OUTSTANDING idea. I wonder how anyone can actually charm so many women on a regular basis? It needs research.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:32:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

how anyone can actually charm so many women

probably more a matter of status and money than charm.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:34:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: groundresonance (#25)

probably more a matter of status and money than charm.

I always thought it was about polished boots, a fine horse and a silver buckle on my leather belt. Man, I am depressed.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   16:37:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: buckeroo (#27) (Edited)

i'm gonna post the the thread title again:

survival: science vs stupidity, bullheadedness, magical thinking, and deception

...just in case anyone is losing sight

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   16:46:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: All (#30)

anyhow, to sum up, we have to recognize the value of stupidity.

stupidity may lead people to completely haywire paths, but, given the potential for unanticipated situations, that haywireness may have led people into positions that enhance their chances of survival.

so variations human behavior, based on whatever ill-begotten belief, will lead to better chances of human survival...

...assuming the scientists have got it all wrong, and western civilization, based on the scientists' science, is bullshit.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:01:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: groundresonance (#33)

stupidity may lead people to completely haywire paths, but, given the potential for unanticipated situations, that haywireness may have led people into positions that enhance their chances of survival.

Personal failure often leads to a desire for improved survival methods which directly leads to greater chances of success.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:07:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: buckeroo (#34)

Personal failure

by western standards, third-world people are failures.

they are more likely to survive the dieoff than americans.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:15:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: All (#35)

what it boils down to, is: bless you for your stupidity, bullheadedness, and magical thinking.

you might have outfoxed the people who are trying to deceive you.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: groundresonance (#36)

bless you for your stupidity, bullheadedness, and magical thinking.

So, at the end you believe in "hope." Such a nice thought.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:26:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#38. To: buckeroo (#37)

you believe in "hope."

i believe more in stupidity than hope.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:30:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: groundresonance (#38)

i believe more in stupidity than hope.

Explain the difference.

Here is my take: "stupidity" directly leads to failure. "Hope" leads to a new set of circumstances that may ensure future success.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:41:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: buckeroo (#39)

"Hope" leads to a new set

lies, as long as you are able to believe them, inspire hope.

want to speculate on why so many people are dedicated to lying about peak oil, global warming and israel?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: groundresonance (#40)

Scientific fact as opposed to mere "hope" actually improves the odds of survival since you put it that way. Since the Industrial Revolution (just one example) the average longevity of Americans has increased from about 46 years in 1900 to about 85 years (today).

Now that is awesome!

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-18   17:57:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: buckeroo (#42)

not gonna be so awesome when i'm 85 and starving to death in a freeway underpass.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-18   17:59:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: groundresonance (#43) (Edited)

not gonna be so awesome when i'm 85 and starving to death in a freeway underpass.

I don't know what you mean by that. Let me explain: These past few weeks based on the DOW and NASDAQ, I have lost about 1%/day on my equities (honestly ... I lost over 10%). So, with the lack of capital gains this year, 0bama will make up the difference.

You will win anyway you look at the issues confronting you. Someone is here to fight for you! Just don't get hooked.

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