When I was crossing the U.S./Canadian border in '86, they asked those very same questions to me. I just complied and I never got that treatment. My name, address, age, where I was going in Canada and how long I was going to be there. I told them it was my first time visiting Canada. I even had to show them identification. This was in April of 1986.
I feel the man who was placed in a holding facility should have just kept his mouth shut and answered the questions from the officers instead of getting outright mouthy and getting into a shouting match which resulted in him and his wife being charged with "assaulting" an international border officer. Those officers were trying to do their job! I know of those Canadian border patrol officers. They just don't play around at all. Just answer the questions and don't raise your voice and there won't be any incidents.
I wish that we had those same border patrol officers asking those very same questions on the Southern end of the United States to question those coming in illegally! We would never have had a 9-11 had our borders been properly secured.
It's becoming a police state because the powers that be (like the former administration) are allowing terrorists into this country and allowing them to bypass these international checkpoints. And this is what really angers me! It makes absolutely no sense for the U.S. Canadian officers to be taking this responsibility by themselves. We need this on the Southern border too!
Yeah, how could it be an "assault" to try to remove yourself from their meat hooks if all you are doing is pulling away, not hitting them? Makes no sense.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
He never threatened the cop. Good thing he had it recorded.
Disgusting that the supervisor accused him of threatening and assault.
It's not assault to pull away. Resisting arrest maybe, but he didn't do anything wrong in the first place.
Other than be slightly uncooperative.
Difficult way to learn how to act and not act with someone with this kind of power.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
Protecting America from all the terrorist in Canada. haha
Like terrorists or drug smugglers are going to drive through a border checkpoint. Vast stretches of border are wide open where any drug smuggler or terrorist can go and come as they please. These guards are just as useless to the security of America as TSA agents are for the airlines.
We would never have had a 9-11 had our borders been properly secured.
There are no terrorists. It's a lie.
3 terrorists a day?
Complete and utter bullshit.
Just like the supervisor lied about him threatening the guard and assaulting him.
All lies.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
Actually what those officers should have done was not charge the man with assault but instead resisting arrest.
Unless there is more there than can be heard in the audio of this thing he should never have been under arrest. He never did anything wrong, at least that is how it appears to me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
And this is what really angers me! It makes absolutely no sense for the U.S. Canadian officers to be taking this responsibility by themselves. We need this on the Southern border too!
Yeah, and maybe we can have this at malls and schools too. Yeah, lets have it everywhere. What a joke you are. The terrorist boggeymen are scaring the crap out of you at night because the talking heads told you they hate us for our freedoms and you like a little child believe them.
The enemy is not from without. They are here and they control America. You will never see this, never.
From what I listened to on that audio clip were the following facts:
Officers pulled man and his female companion over.
Officers claim they have "no grounds" for pulling him over.
Officers claim they were "assaulted" by the man and his female companion when the man resisted arrest and was in a verbal exchange with officer. It is never a wise move to argue with any law enforcement officer (whether they are state or local police or border enforcement). In arguing and resisting arrest you escalate incidents.
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Should the officers be sued in their individual and official capacities, they will have the burden to prove the man "assaulted" them. I will leave that for the attorneys and court to decide what is considered "assault". The audio is prima facie evidence! Never argue with law enforcement even if they are in the wrong. What that guy should have done is kept his mouth shut and then take that officers name and badge number and filed a formal complaint.
Those officers may have acted too rough. However, the man and his companion didn't help to mitigate the situation. I don't know about the man's companion as I heard on the audio that she physically "assaulted" one of those officers. Not good!
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
The officers claimed that pulling away from a hold was assault. That was a lie, but that's par for the course for police. Any one held as a suspect by the police should, for his own good, assume that everything the police say to him is a lie, as police are trained to lie to suspects. What we hear on this clip is further proof that police/law enforcement/customs agents will readily lie to anyone they encounter.
So the 3 terrorists per day line should also be assumed to be a lie, and in all likelihood is.
If anything, yes it's resisting arrest, not assault.
As for what started it, was the male's response of "does it matter?" upon being asked what particular stores in whatever mall he was to visit. That's hardly asking for trouble, and certainly is a surprisingly detailed question. The agent could have simply responded with "yes" and insisted on an answer but instead chose to escalate the situation. And it's not like identifying the particular store in the mall already stated is going to stop any terrorists either.
This audio is a good example of what is wrong with the mentality of federal agents. They have no common sense whatsoever. They are simply mindless bots that are fed attitude steroids that give them a false sense of superiority.
This audio is a good example of what is wrong with the mentality of federal agents. They have no common sense whatsoever. They are simply mindless bots that are fed attitude steroids that give them a false sense of superiority.
Very good summation of the problem.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Can you believe this crap? Harrass the Canadians who want to GO SHOPPING while allowing thousands of illegals from Mexico to bring over the dope and park in the welfare line.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
As for what started it, was the male's response of "does it matter?"
It boils down to who's asking the questions, the officer or the traveler. IMO the traveler had a flippant attitude and border guards are not known for their sense of humor
When crossing borders you answer the questions asked, no more no less. Perhaps this would have never happened if the traveler had answerer "I haven't decided yet, instead of "does it matter".
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
That's an insult to sphincters--we need assholes, as they actually serve the purpose of an exit for waste, whereas the dupes in DC are only useful at creating waste with no laxatives in sight for the taxpayers. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The officers claimed that pulling away from a hold was assault. That was a lie, but that's par for the course for police. Any one held as a suspect by the police should, for his own good, assume that everything the police say to him is a lie, as police are trained to lie to suspects. What we hear on this clip is further proof that police/law enforcement/customs agents will readily lie to anyone they encounter.
Exactly!! Those officers are trained to lie. But just because they are trained to lie doesn't mean or justify the man for resisting arrest. Let them have their justice in court should that even arise. Let the court throw the book at them for their questionable conduct...and not the man and his wife.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
When crossing borders you answer the questions asked, no more no less. Perhaps this would have never happened if the traveler had answerer "I haven't decided yet, instead of "does it matter".
To avoid problems, this is exactly true. Which is why terrorists won't do what this guy did. By immediately detaining them upon the "does it matter" question, instead of first answering "yes", the guard tied up resources that would have been better used to find real terrorists. Instead, it's apparent that the only point of the detainment was to whip ordinary people into line so they'd answer questions the way terrorists would answer them.
IOW, by detaining this couple, these guys proved they were useless to US security.
BTW, it seems from the recording that the detained Canadian was the one doing the recording, though that's just a guess on my part. That could be significant, actually, if he was planning on the altercation.
I know there is no such thing as "justice" in any court of law. I am well aware of how badly corrupt our court system is.
However, because of what this man did in not cooperating with these assholes, he will probably be placed on some "do not fly" list because of his conduct with the border police. And such a "do not fly" list does exist! And once your name is added to that list...its hard to get it off.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
because of what this man did in not cooperating with these assholes, he will probably be placed on some "do not fly" list because of his conduct with the border police.
On a pragmatic level, it's absolutely true that this Canadian guy said the wrong thing, I agree. But that's being completely silent about both the effectiveness and moral standing of the customs guy.