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Title: The Civil War Begins - Arizona threatens to cut off power to Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
Source: www.abc15.com
URL Source: http://www.abc15.com/content/financ ... on/RBINaWwt1kOaUTJxnHs5Xg.cspx
Published: May 19, 2010
Author: by: Dave Biscobing
Post Date: 2010-05-19 08:46:23 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 2003
Comments: 139

Arizona energy official calls L.A.'s bluff on total boycott

Reported by: Dave Biscobing Email: dbiscobing@abc15.com Last Update: 5/18 11:16 pm

PHOENIX -- Last week, Los Angeles officially boycotted Arizona to send a message about the state's new immigration law.

Now, the Arizona Corporation Commission is sending back a message of their own.

On Tuesday, Commissioner Gary Pierce wrote a letter to the Los Angeles Mayor and City Council. He said the intention was to "call them out," and see if they are committed to truly cut off all Arizona resources.

"I don't think they thought this through," Pierce said. "There are consequences that involve energy."

Across Arizona, Los Angeles gets 25 percent of its power from three plants, including the Palo Verde Nuclear Station.

The state can't literally pull the plug as the city owns the power.

But if tough-talking Los Angeles officials really decide to go through with this boycott fully, then they will have to go without this electricity.

"You can't call a boycott on the candy store and then pick and choose the candy you really want," Pierce said. "You either boycott or you don't."

However, Los Angeles councilmembers have been perhaps the most outspoken about Senate Bill 1070.

"We want them to be the last state to do this," Councilmember Janice Hahn said after the city first threatened boycotts. "We think we have a lot of leverage over that state."

"This is not a paper resolution. It is real," added Councilmember Ed Reyes after the boycott was approved.

When the Los Angeles City Council made their vote, they were given a report that contained information about the city's contracts with Arizona.

It did not include agreements about water and power.

"I think this boycott is going to backfire," Pierce said. "And they are just going to want it to go away."

After the letter was sent, the Arizona Corporation Commission said by the end of the day, they received dozens of calls and more than 100 emails in support from officials of 18 different states.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   8:48:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

Boy, things really appear as if the lid can blow off of this pot-o-shit any day now.

Yes, it does doesn't it?

This isn't something to desire, lots of innocent people, truly innocent like kids and sick folks, are going to be in a world of pain if "something" comes to pass. The only silver lining, for our family anyway, is that we're relatively young (early 40's), mobile, fit and self sufficient.

Looks like all the prayer in the world didn't solve any of this. We appear to be headed into a big ass bloody confrontation. Be ready, be patient, lay low I guess.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   18:41:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   18:54:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

Our garden this year is huge. Even have blueberry bushes planted, early summer yielders and mid-late summer yielders. If push comes to shove, we have 51,500 heirloom non-hybrid seeds for a variety of foods that grow in this region (veges, melons, herbs, etc) that can be planted across the entire back yard that could sustain us for years if need be (though honestly we'll probably retreat to 40 acres out in the country that is being bequeathed to us soon).

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   19:04:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   19:10:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#9) (Edited)

I need to find out what kinds of crops grow best and quickest for our climate, which is probably a lot like yours except with a slightly longer growing season.

We're zone 5(b). Where you live is mostly 5 in the north-central, with a range across your state of 5a to 6b.

Figure on lots of tomatoes, green peppers, onions, potatoes, garlic, beans, chili peppers, lettuce, cabbage, etc. If you're in the southern part of your state, you could even swing tobacco successfully. That sir, would be a much better "investment" than gold right there, talk about a good trading crop!

Berries and vines (think raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, hops) take at least a year to establish with no return, with some of the fruiting bushes taking up to 3 years before a return. That said, after 3 years, you're golden for another 50+.

I wish I had that country option. Our space for growing much is limited.

Yeah, 40 acres of land that is being used even now for farming. Rich, rich soil. Where we live now we have a decent garden, but it can't match 40 acres of Growing Goodness. :)

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   19:16:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   19:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

No doubt.

Looks like we're in zone 6 actually, 6b. You have a good site for appropriateness there?

And yeah, tobacco would no doubt be very good.

Zone 6b gives you a lot of options. I am 8a and have more na, na, na-na.

Kidding aside you can grow most tree crops, except citrus, apples, pears, plums, peaches, and nectarines. Most berries are hardy in your zone and it is warm enough to grow short season melons in the summer. Winter hardy Leeks and Cabbage can be left in the field till needed, as well as overwintering carrots. Most lettuces and other greens can be grown well into the Fall and again in late winter/early spring. The late and early would have to be done with protection, but a simple tunnel system can be made from plastic pipe and Tufflite IV Greenhouse plastic.

A good source for tree fruits, and a lot of berries, is Raintree Nursery which has about the most extensive selection, and good quality, that I know of.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-19   19:42:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   19:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Eric Stratton, Original_Intent (#20)

Also, which crops yield the most food, as I won't be looking primarily for preference, really simply survival?

Also, I'm pretty novice when it comes to this stuff, so the more foolproof the better.

Potatoes?

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   21:12:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

You can get Excalibur dehydrators (the only brand I would ever recommend) off eBay for ~$149.00 and up. Adjustable thermostat, and get the 15 square foot drying space types, the more the better. Those things dry super fast compared to the crap 'as seen on TV!' ones that take forever and make huge messes.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-20   8:14:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-20   8:18:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#67)

Thanks! I'll have to look into them. Still, they take electricity to operate, no?

Yes. It's a tool to use for immediate dehydrating of things you can buy from the store (veges/fruits and some jerky). You can put through tons of produce in one of those very quickly, seal it in vacuum bags and if you do it enough, be good for a year or at least a couple of months. Since time is of the essence, it seems like the best tool for the job.

After electricity goes out, you can fall back on either canning, or construct a no electricity dehydrator out of wood, mesh screen and a decent sized window (assuming you have a hand drill and saws). Of course you could just lay the stuff out on the back porch in the sun, but I have something of an issue letting swarms of flies defecate all over drying food.

I'm thinking just a good stock of dried rice and beans for immediate action.

Rice is a semi-poor storage staple, it will last you a year tops unless you freeze dry it and #10 can it. Whole kernel wheat and beans on the other hand, will keep you in bread and beans for a long time (don't forget to hold back lots of salt as well, which stores indefinitely). Ensure that if you have whole grain anything, that you have a good hand grinder.

No matter what you choose though, if it is bulk stuff like grains/rice/beans, ensure that you kill any critter eggs in it before you store it in oxygen free mylar bags (stuffed inside 5 gallon buckets). It's an easy thing to do, get some dry ice, put a 5-6 gallon mylar bag in a 5 gallon bucket, fill it half way with the staple, throw in a chunk of dry ice, fill the rest of the way with the staple, throw in another chunk of dry ice, and put the lid on the bucket loosely, let the air bleed out. Seal the bucket after that and let the CO2 kill all the critter eggs. Seal the bag with a household iron after throwing a desiccant inside and you're good for 5-7 years most of the time (and probably a year after you open it).

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-20   8:29:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-20   8:43:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Eric Stratton (#69)

Would there be critter eggs in store-bought rice bags?

All grain contains critter eggs, Eric.

Even milling flour doesn't destroy them. Keep a bag of flour long enough and you will see teeny mealy bug worms spawning in it, even if you've kept it sealed.

randge  posted on  2010-05-20   8:51:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Would there be critter eggs in store-bought rice bags?

All grain contains critter eggs, Eric.

Even milling flour doesn't destroy them. Keep a bag of flour long enough and you will see teeny mealy bug worms spawning in it, even if you've kept it sealed.

That reminds me of a sealed box of Quaker Oats that I opened up and then immediately trashed. It was disgusting the damn bugs had webs and probably 2 generations of the bastards in there.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-21   11:16:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-21   12:17:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Eric Stratton (#109)

That reminds me of a sealed box of Quaker Oats that I opened up and then immediately trashed. It was disgusting the damn bugs had webs and probably 2 generations of the bastards in there.

Reminds me of the time I found mouse turds all over our kitchen counters. Finally trapped the little bastard. Fortunately it was just one.

One of the advantages of having cats that are good "mousers" is that any mice that are unfortunate enough to make it inside tend to have short lifespans. ;-)

I remember one that got in and had a particular covered path of travel, but had to scamper across a hallway to get from the closet to the kitchen. My cat Stormy basically camped out for 3 days waiting for her chance, but she got her mouse. :-)

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-21   12:32:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-21   12:43:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Eric Stratton (#113)

The advantage of cats is that they'll catch them "just for fun". Stormy, in particular, loved catching mice, but then she would just play with them till they "broke". Dusty however, ate them with relish (or without).

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