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Title: The Civil War Begins - Arizona threatens to cut off power to Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
Source: www.abc15.com
URL Source: http://www.abc15.com/content/financ ... on/RBINaWwt1kOaUTJxnHs5Xg.cspx
Published: May 19, 2010
Author: by: Dave Biscobing
Post Date: 2010-05-19 08:46:23 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 2056
Comments: 139

Arizona energy official calls L.A.'s bluff on total boycott

Reported by: Dave Biscobing Email: dbiscobing@abc15.com Last Update: 5/18 11:16 pm

PHOENIX -- Last week, Los Angeles officially boycotted Arizona to send a message about the state's new immigration law.

Now, the Arizona Corporation Commission is sending back a message of their own.

On Tuesday, Commissioner Gary Pierce wrote a letter to the Los Angeles Mayor and City Council. He said the intention was to "call them out," and see if they are committed to truly cut off all Arizona resources.

"I don't think they thought this through," Pierce said. "There are consequences that involve energy."

Across Arizona, Los Angeles gets 25 percent of its power from three plants, including the Palo Verde Nuclear Station.

The state can't literally pull the plug as the city owns the power.

But if tough-talking Los Angeles officials really decide to go through with this boycott fully, then they will have to go without this electricity.

"You can't call a boycott on the candy store and then pick and choose the candy you really want," Pierce said. "You either boycott or you don't."

However, Los Angeles councilmembers have been perhaps the most outspoken about Senate Bill 1070.

"We want them to be the last state to do this," Councilmember Janice Hahn said after the city first threatened boycotts. "We think we have a lot of leverage over that state."

"This is not a paper resolution. It is real," added Councilmember Ed Reyes after the boycott was approved.

When the Los Angeles City Council made their vote, they were given a report that contained information about the city's contracts with Arizona.

It did not include agreements about water and power.

"I think this boycott is going to backfire," Pierce said. "And they are just going to want it to go away."

After the letter was sent, the Arizona Corporation Commission said by the end of the day, they received dozens of calls and more than 100 emails in support from officials of 18 different states.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   8:48:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

Boy, things really appear as if the lid can blow off of this pot-o-shit any day now.

Yes, it does doesn't it?

This isn't something to desire, lots of innocent people, truly innocent like kids and sick folks, are going to be in a world of pain if "something" comes to pass. The only silver lining, for our family anyway, is that we're relatively young (early 40's), mobile, fit and self sufficient.

Looks like all the prayer in the world didn't solve any of this. We appear to be headed into a big ass bloody confrontation. Be ready, be patient, lay low I guess.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   18:41:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-19   18:54:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

Our garden this year is huge. Even have blueberry bushes planted, early summer yielders and mid-late summer yielders. If push comes to shove, we have 51,500 heirloom non-hybrid seeds for a variety of foods that grow in this region (veges, melons, herbs, etc) that can be planted across the entire back yard that could sustain us for years if need be (though honestly we'll probably retreat to 40 acres out in the country that is being bequeathed to us soon).

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   19:04:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SonOfLiberty, Eric Stratton, all (#8)

Our garden this year is huge. Even have blueberry bushes planted, early summer yielders and mid-late summer yielders. If push comes to shove, we have 51,500 heirloom non-hybrid seeds for a variety of foods that grow in this region (veges, melons, herbs, etc) that can be planted across the entire back yard that could sustain us for years if need be (though honestly we'll probably retreat to 40 acres out in the country that is being bequeathed to us soon).

I am trying to get as much as I can out of my limited space. I added 5 blueberries, 3 Raspberries, 2 Gooseberries, 2 Currants, and about 50 Strawberry Plants this year.

One way to save money on plants is to go wholesale by putting together a group order, a buying club, and order enough to get the wholesale price. Hartmann's Nursery, one of the best for Blueberries (and they have others - currants, Black Raspberries, Arctic Raspberries, Alpine Strawberries, etc., ...., is a good one to go to. Their wholesale minimum is 100 plants of any kind. Of course you still pay the shipping - and they all have to go to one location, but you still save a bundle over going to a local nursery and they sell a quality product. Another good one is Nourse Farms, and Oikos Tree Crops here in the NW.

Not all mail order operations are good though. The best way to check someone out is to read their history on the "Garden Watchdog". Just do a search on the company and it will bring up its ratings from people who have actually ordered from them.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-19   19:31:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#12)

I am trying to get as much as I can out of my limited space. I added 5 blueberries, 3 Raspberries, 2 Gooseberries, 2 Currants, and about 50 Strawberry Plants this year.

We have raspberries already, but only on year 2 with them, so they may or may not bear fruit this year. Blueberries were planeted just recently so they're going to be a while before we get anything off of them. Strawberries, check, we have 10 plants out right now. Tomatoes grow insane here, and we normally harvest ~80 to 120 pounds from our "normal" planting, which we've tripled this year, so it's going to be a busy canning and dehydrating season come late summer. We've tripled pretty much everything at this point.

One way to save money on plants is to go wholesale by putting together a group order, a buying club, and order enough to get the wholesale price.

We're fortunate enough to have really inexpensive starting plants at local stores, and are in a rather pleasant financial position right now that we don't have to worry about costs too much. If we lose our jobs, or "something" happens, then we dig into the 51,500 heirloom seeds and plant costs go away forever.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-05-19   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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or "something" happens, then we dig into the 51,500 heirloom seeds and plant costs go away forever

A good book to have then is "From Seed to Seed" A seed saver's handbook. Most seeds are easy to save but some require some specialized knowledge - Carrots come to mind - they are a biennial and do not produce seed until the second year.

I was fortunate on my Blueberries in that I got some older 3 year plants from a local co-op and will likely get a small crop this year. My Raspberries are the same, and all are doing well. I alreay have berries forming on the Rubel plant and the 2 "Little Giants" (I have 4 varieities in 5 plants - did it on purpose as blueberries produce a larger yield from cross pollenization).

The cheapest prices I have found on Strawberries was through Peaceful Valley Farm Supply in Northern California - 7.99 per pound of plants (about 30 to 35 plants per pound) on Seascape which is a good "Day Neutral" variety which will produce a large crop in June but will continue producing lightly till Fall.

I keep losing track but I have about 12 to 14 varieties of tomato this year and 9 melon varieties, and with the garden usuals - carrots, squash, spuds, etc., .... Since, with rare exceptions, I only grow heirloom or open pollinated varieties I can save seed off any of the plants I grow.

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