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Title: The Civil War Begins - Arizona threatens to cut off power to Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
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Published: May 19, 2010
Author: by: Dave Biscobing
Post Date: 2010-05-19 08:46:23 by Mind_Virus
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Arizona energy official calls L.A.'s bluff on total boycott Reported by: Dave Biscobing Email: dbiscobing@abc15.com Last Update: 5/18 11:16 pm PHOENIX -- Last week, Los Angeles officially boycotted Arizona to send a message about the state's new immigration law. Now, the Arizona Corporation Commission is sending back a message of their own. On Tuesday, Commissioner Gary Pierce wrote a letter to the Los Angeles Mayor and City Council. He said the intention was to "call them out," and see if they are committed to truly cut off all Arizona resources. "I don't think they thought this through," Pierce said. "There are consequences that involve energy." Across Arizona, Los Angeles gets 25 percent of its power from three plants, including the Palo Verde Nuclear Station. The state can't literally pull the plug as the city owns the power. But if tough-talking Los Angeles officials really decide to go through with this boycott fully, then they will have to go without this electricity. "You can't call a boycott on the candy store and then pick and choose the candy you really want," Pierce said. "You either boycott or you don't." However, Los Angeles councilmembers have been perhaps the most outspoken about Senate Bill 1070. "We want them to be the last state to do this," Councilmember Janice Hahn said after the city first threatened boycotts. "We think we have a lot of leverage over that state." "This is not a paper resolution. It is real," added Councilmember Ed Reyes after the boycott was approved. When the Los Angeles City Council made their vote, they were given a report that contained information about the city's contracts with Arizona. It did not include agreements about water and power. "I think this boycott is going to backfire," Pierce said. "And they are just going to want it to go away." After the letter was sent, the Arizona Corporation Commission said by the end of the day, they received dozens of calls and more than 100 emails in support from officials of 18 different states.
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#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#13)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
We have raspberries already, but only on year 2 with them, so they may or may not bear fruit this year. Blueberries were planeted just recently so they're going to be a while before we get anything off of them. Strawberries, check, we have 10 plants out right now. Tomatoes grow insane here, and we normally harvest ~80 to 120 pounds from our "normal" planting, which we've tripled this year, so it's going to be a busy canning and dehydrating season come late summer. We've tripled pretty much everything at this point. We're fortunate enough to have really inexpensive starting plants at local stores, and are in a rather pleasant financial position right now that we don't have to worry about costs too much. If we lose our jobs, or "something" happens, then we dig into the 51,500 heirloom seeds and plant costs go away forever.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Looks like we're in zone 6 actually, 6b. You have a good site for appropriateness there? And yeah, tobacco would no doubt be very good. Zone 6b gives you a lot of options. I am 8a and have more na, na, na-na. Kidding aside you can grow most tree crops, except citrus, apples, pears, plums, peaches, and nectarines. Most berries are hardy in your zone and it is warm enough to grow short season melons in the summer. Winter hardy Leeks and Cabbage can be left in the field till needed, as well as overwintering carrots. Most lettuces and other greens can be grown well into the Fall and again in late winter/early spring. The late and early would have to be done with protection, but a simple tunnel system can be made from plastic pipe and Tufflite IV Greenhouse plastic. A good source for tree fruits, and a lot of berries, is Raintree Nursery which has about the most extensive selection, and good quality, that I know of.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
If you check out a garden store you'll find that you can pick up either predator urine (fox, coyote, etc) that you spray around the perimeter of your garden, or you can get a solution of putrid egg whites/garlic that you spray directly on the plants about 1 time per month. The smell goes away after an hour in dry conditions for the human nose. Squirrels can be tricky, but they generally don't burrow *under* a garden like a rabbit will. We have rabbits out the wazoo here, and out in the country deer are a big problem. I suspect that if "it" happens though, we'll welcome with open buckshot...er...arms, our little fury friends.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Yes to apples, those will thrive there. Grapes too I believe, and pears and peaches. Keep in mind that most fruiting trees need at least two trees for cross pollination, otherwise you won't get any fruit. If you're so inclined and can find land where you can set aside 1/4 acre or so, crops like wheat or barley would be advisable too, unless you dislike bread, beer, pastries and cake. :)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
A good book to have then is "From Seed to Seed" A seed saver's handbook. Most seeds are easy to save but some require some specialized knowledge - Carrots come to mind - they are a biennial and do not produce seed until the second year. I was fortunate on my Blueberries in that I got some older 3 year plants from a local co-op and will likely get a small crop this year. My Raspberries are the same, and all are doing well. I alreay have berries forming on the Rubel plant and the 2 "Little Giants" (I have 4 varieities in 5 plants - did it on purpose as blueberries produce a larger yield from cross pollenization). The cheapest prices I have found on Strawberries was through Peaceful Valley Farm Supply in Northern California - 7.99 per pound of plants (about 30 to 35 plants per pound) on Seascape which is a good "Day Neutral" variety which will produce a large crop in June but will continue producing lightly till Fall. I keep losing track but I have about 12 to 14 varieties of tomato this year and 9 melon varieties, and with the garden usuals - carrots, squash, spuds, etc., .... Since, with rare exceptions, I only grow heirloom or open pollinated varieties I can save seed off any of the plants I grow.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Spinach, peas, carrots, broccoli are quick, so is lettuce (but it seems pretty low nutritionally). Tomatoes aren't quite as "quick" but they yield a ton of product per plant per season. Things like corn take planning and land enough for at least 4+ decent rows, so that's out. Potatoes are not terribly fast, they're a three month-ish wait, but their yield can be quite large. They do take up space though. Wheat and barley take up space, but a good harvest of wheat or barley can last you a year or longer and requires little storage specialization (debug it, seal it, ta da).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
We're ALL Arizonans now!!!
Well, I'm 60, I live in the middle of the mountains, fit, given my age, and I'm really, really, really PISSED OFF. Let me be careful with my choice of words here.....I HATE THIS GOVERNMENT. That said, I don't give a flying fig if the local LEOs are good, bad or indifferent. When the SHTF I'll have lived a life way beyond my wildest expectations, and will exit, stage right, way ahead of the game. Remember, no one leaves this place alive, it's all a matter of when.
Hydroponics is really only good for winter growing or growing dope IMHO. For immediate planting - Tomatoes, Potatoes, Corn, Pole Beans, Snap Peas, most bean varieties, Anasazi Beans are a good choice, Carrots, Cabbage, Brussel Sprouts, Leeks, Onions both bulbing and green types, greens of all kinds (although choose varieites that are slow to bolt i.e., go to seed), Zucchini, Winter Squash, short season melons such as Emerald Gem, Kazahk, Ogen, for watermelon - Blacktail Mountain, Early Yellow Moonbeam, Quetzali, Cream of Saskatchewan, Cucumbers - both fresh and pickling, herbs - Dill, Basil, Oregano, Rosemary (but you'll have to protect it in the winter since most varieties will not survive an extented freeze), Cilantro, Italian Parsley, Summer Savory, French Thyme, Tarragon (same as Rosemary - protect from freezing). However, to simplify - Baker Creek Seed Company is selling a "Homesteader's Package on their website and they are about the same climate zone as you. Another good source is The Seed Saver's Exchange. Check with your local extension office for info, hand outs, soil analysis, and local Master Gardener's who might be willing to consult either free or for a small fee. I wrote a garden guide for Artisan a year or two ago which he shared around with other people. The original is on a dead hard drive but I might have a copy of it in my saved PM's Folder. I think I might have posted it as well but don't recall. I'll see if I can find it. It is about 25 pages, and while it could use some revising, and was well received when I first wrote it. More to follow.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You'll also want to only use heirloom/non-hybrid seeds, otherwise you're good for one year and after that you may end up with significantly less to absolutely nothing. So, seed saving is good to know. http://www.seedsave.org/issi/issi_904.html
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
There are several strategies for growing potatoes in limited space. You can plant them in a trash can half full of soil mix and slowly fill it as the plants grow, or you can use SmartPots in the 20 gallon size. I prefer the SmartPots, and use them for a lot of stuff - I have almost 20 of them now. You can mail order them or if you are lucky, like me, there may be a local store that sells them. They are a very good solution for people with limited space.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Good link, will look into those, thanks!
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
This thread is screaming for some Pat Travers.......Boom, Boom--Out go the Lights. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So, seed saving is good to know. I'll second that. The key words to look for are heirloom or Open Pollinated (often abbreviated (OP). That means that the plants are genetically stable and produce viable seed. F2 Hybrids (not F1) are stable hybrids.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
You're most welcome.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Let me add an edit: before I plan to survive on Mulligan Stew from a secret "victory garden", I plan to be buried in one after having dispatched as many walking vegetables as I possibly can.
With tomatoes you can even get those things that they advertise to hang them to grow them, that's probably a really good way of doing those and they can probably hang indoors during the winter I'm guessing. Sounds like peas and carrots are a good way to go. Do you have to can them to preserve them? Peas and carrots will both dehydrate or freeze. If you freeze I would reccomend buying an inexpensive vacuum packer to help prevent freezer burn, and they are good for dehydrated too as it helps inhibit mold from any residual moisture. Tomatoes can be brought indoors but you need a sunny window or grow lights or both. The upside down planters are fine for smaller bush type plant varieties but I would not recommend most heirlooms in them as they tend to be very big plants (I have had Brandywines get 8 feet high and so loaded they broke the supports). Gardener's Supply has a good selection of them and they also sell a metal "tree" that you can hang them from. That said my late Aunt, a Master Gardener, once grew an heirloom cherry tomato in her living room - damn thing reached all the way to the ceiling and was still producing all the way into winter.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We're trying one out this year actually! :) You don't have to worry about hanging it inside though. You'll be putting new vines in it every year. No, you could dehydrate them if you wanted.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Take a big big honor guard with you. Home made claymores are good for that.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
States rights FTMFW!!!!
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Got a much better plan. Have for years now. And trust me, If I get hungry enough, I'm going "shopping" at my neighbors victory garden. He best but lots of toothpicks to keep his eyes open :P
Glad to be of any help. Will do on the garden guide.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Also, I'm pretty novice when it comes to this stuff, so the more foolproof the better. Potatoes?
I had a first time too - also growing potatoes. What I used the first time for limited space was one of those open bottom plastic compost bins - the ones that are a plastic sheet, with holes in the side, that you hook together with wing-nuts - the metal kind. You start by putting a layer of compost and straw in the bottom, lay in your seed potatoes about 12 inches apart, cover with compost, and wait for them to start sprouting and growing. As they grow up you just add extra straw and compost to cover the lower few inches of the plants, let them grow some more, and repeat as they grow. Potatoes, like tomatoes, will produce new roots from the buried part of the stalks. In the case of potatoes more roots = more potatoes. Just remember that potatoes are heavy feeders and require plenty of water. Use a good liquid fertilizer fortified with a little extra liquid calcium. The only way to learn is to just do it. I started out knowing very little, but here 20 some odd years down the road I am finally a little less ignern't. However, I still learn new stuff every year.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That's a good tune.....I can see why you like that video Eric. lol More in line with the gardening, I've found this Garden Song with muppets. : ) Inch by Inch Row by Row
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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#16. To: Original_Intent (#12)
I am trying to get as much as I can out of my limited space. I added 5 blueberries, 3 Raspberries, 2 Gooseberries, 2 Currants, and about 50 Strawberry Plants this year.
One way to save money on plants is to go wholesale by putting together a group order, a buying club, and order enough to get the wholesale price.
#17. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
No doubt.
#18. To: Eric Stratton (#14)
How do you keep deer and squirrels away?
#19. To: Original_Intent, Eric Stratton (#17)
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#21. To: SonOfLiberty (#16)
or "something" happens, then we dig into the 51,500 heirloom seeds and plant costs go away forever
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#23. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
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#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)
This isn't something to desire, lots of innocent people, truly innocent like kids and sick folks, are going to be in a world of pain if "something" comes to pass. The only silver lining, for our family anyway, is that we're relatively young (early 40's), mobile, fit and self sufficient.
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#27. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
#28. To: SonOfLiberty, Eric Stratton (#23)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)
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#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
You'll also want to only use heirloom/non-hybrid seeds, otherwise you're good for one year and after that you may end up with significantly less to absolutely nothing.
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#36. To: SonOfLiberty (#29)
#37. To: Eric Stratton (#35)
#38. To: Eric Stratton, SonOfLiberty (#32)
Spinach, peas, carrots, broccoli are quick, so is lettuce (but it seems pretty low nutritionally). Tomatoes aren't quite as "quick" but they yield a ton of product per plant per season. Things like corn take planning and land enough for at least 4+ decent rows, so that's out. Potatoes are not terribly fast, they're a three month-ish wait, but their yield can be quite large. They do take up space though. Wheat and barley take up space, but a good harvest of wheat or barley can last you a year or longer and requires little storage specialization (debug it, seal it, ta da).
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
With tomatoes you can even get those things that they advertise to hang them to grow them, that's probably a really good way of doing those and they can probably hang indoors during the winter I'm guessing.
Sounds like peas and carrots are a good way to go. Do you have to can them to preserve them?
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
#41. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)
#45. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
#46. To: Original_Intent (#28)
#47. To: abraxas (#30)
#48. To: Eric Stratton, Original_Intent (#20)
Also, which crops yield the most food, as I won't be looking primarily for preference, really simply survival?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#49. To: Eric Stratton (#46)
#50. To: Eric Stratton (#47)
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Actually, amid all the discussion of growing crops, I was thinking that we should have some summertime tunes, ... how 'bout a little Diesel!
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#52. To: Original_Intent (#40)
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