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Title: The Civil War Begins - Arizona threatens to cut off power to Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
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Published: May 19, 2010
Author: by: Dave Biscobing
Post Date: 2010-05-19 08:46:23 by Mind_Virus
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Arizona energy official calls L.A.'s bluff on total boycott Reported by: Dave Biscobing Email: dbiscobing@abc15.com Last Update: 5/18 11:16 pm PHOENIX -- Last week, Los Angeles officially boycotted Arizona to send a message about the state's new immigration law. Now, the Arizona Corporation Commission is sending back a message of their own. On Tuesday, Commissioner Gary Pierce wrote a letter to the Los Angeles Mayor and City Council. He said the intention was to "call them out," and see if they are committed to truly cut off all Arizona resources. "I don't think they thought this through," Pierce said. "There are consequences that involve energy." Across Arizona, Los Angeles gets 25 percent of its power from three plants, including the Palo Verde Nuclear Station. The state can't literally pull the plug as the city owns the power. But if tough-talking Los Angeles officials really decide to go through with this boycott fully, then they will have to go without this electricity. "You can't call a boycott on the candy store and then pick and choose the candy you really want," Pierce said. "You either boycott or you don't." However, Los Angeles councilmembers have been perhaps the most outspoken about Senate Bill 1070. "We want them to be the last state to do this," Councilmember Janice Hahn said after the city first threatened boycotts. "We think we have a lot of leverage over that state." "This is not a paper resolution. It is real," added Councilmember Ed Reyes after the boycott was approved. When the Los Angeles City Council made their vote, they were given a report that contained information about the city's contracts with Arizona. It did not include agreements about water and power. "I think this boycott is going to backfire," Pierce said. "And they are just going to want it to go away." After the letter was sent, the Arizona Corporation Commission said by the end of the day, they received dozens of calls and more than 100 emails in support from officials of 18 different states.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
You're most welcome.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Let me add an edit: before I plan to survive on Mulligan Stew from a secret "victory garden", I plan to be buried in one after having dispatched as many walking vegetables as I possibly can.
With tomatoes you can even get those things that they advertise to hang them to grow them, that's probably a really good way of doing those and they can probably hang indoors during the winter I'm guessing. Sounds like peas and carrots are a good way to go. Do you have to can them to preserve them? Peas and carrots will both dehydrate or freeze. If you freeze I would reccomend buying an inexpensive vacuum packer to help prevent freezer burn, and they are good for dehydrated too as it helps inhibit mold from any residual moisture. Tomatoes can be brought indoors but you need a sunny window or grow lights or both. The upside down planters are fine for smaller bush type plant varieties but I would not recommend most heirlooms in them as they tend to be very big plants (I have had Brandywines get 8 feet high and so loaded they broke the supports). Gardener's Supply has a good selection of them and they also sell a metal "tree" that you can hang them from. That said my late Aunt, a Master Gardener, once grew an heirloom cherry tomato in her living room - damn thing reached all the way to the ceiling and was still producing all the way into winter.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We're trying one out this year actually! :) You don't have to worry about hanging it inside though. You'll be putting new vines in it every year. No, you could dehydrate them if you wanted.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Take a big big honor guard with you. Home made claymores are good for that.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
States rights FTMFW!!!!
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Got a much better plan. Have for years now. And trust me, If I get hungry enough, I'm going "shopping" at my neighbors victory garden. He best but lots of toothpicks to keep his eyes open :P
Glad to be of any help. Will do on the garden guide.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Also, I'm pretty novice when it comes to this stuff, so the more foolproof the better. Potatoes?
I had a first time too - also growing potatoes. What I used the first time for limited space was one of those open bottom plastic compost bins - the ones that are a plastic sheet, with holes in the side, that you hook together with wing-nuts - the metal kind. You start by putting a layer of compost and straw in the bottom, lay in your seed potatoes about 12 inches apart, cover with compost, and wait for them to start sprouting and growing. As they grow up you just add extra straw and compost to cover the lower few inches of the plants, let them grow some more, and repeat as they grow. Potatoes, like tomatoes, will produce new roots from the buried part of the stalks. In the case of potatoes more roots = more potatoes. Just remember that potatoes are heavy feeders and require plenty of water. Use a good liquid fertilizer fortified with a little extra liquid calcium. The only way to learn is to just do it. I started out knowing very little, but here 20 some odd years down the road I am finally a little less ignern't. However, I still learn new stuff every year.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That's a good tune.....I can see why you like that video Eric. lol More in line with the gardening, I've found this Garden Song with muppets. : ) Inch by Inch Row by Row
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
lol.......we need Captain Vegtable to round up those veggies for some singing lessons.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think the best thing to do would be to buy a bunch of rice. Rice and beans. Stock up. The more the better. Put the bags of rice in garbage bags and put the garbage bags in big tupperware containers. Then bury them. Don't tell anyone where you buried them. Not ever your wife. lol : )
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
LOL Yes, good "garden" defense mechanisms. I know how to make all sorts of handy "garden defense" "tools". Did you know that a light coating of dirt can be supported by the moss around a bunch of needle sharp spikes? Looks just like solid ground. What kind of a fiend would set something like that up? And then put jellied gasoline in there to boot? 1001 uses for old styrofoam. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No, no. Share it with her and them of course. Just don't tell them where it is cuz that way they can never let the secret out. The coveted rice will be safe.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I have the same reaction to what we see in D.C. There is nothing happening in that land of ne'er-do-wells that will ever make our lives easier, more productive and/or more meaningful. I, too, have lived a life that has given me so much more than I ever contemplated -- all 72+ years!!! I just hope that when I make my exit I can still carry on good conversation with some of those I have so enjoyed here ... and maybe even get some graphics from you, Flint and Lucomo. LOL
I can get graphic at times - but not with someone old enough to be, err, uh, a big sister?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I understand your hesitation (err, uh, a big sister) in addressing "big". Don't worry, I won't bite. By the way, I stole some of your gardening expertise. I don't wanna die without a full stomach!!!
Be nice man. If somebody was prescient enough to grow a good garden to survive on, they're on our side. Stealing would just be wrong in that case. Now if you wanted to knock over a government "relief" cheese truck, sign me up as a helping hand on that one. :)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You can get Excalibur dehydrators (the only brand I would ever recommend) off eBay for ~$149.00 and up. Adjustable thermostat, and get the 15 square foot drying space types, the more the better. Those things dry super fast compared to the crap 'as seen on TV!' ones that take forever and make huge messes.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Yes. It's a tool to use for immediate dehydrating of things you can buy from the store (veges/fruits and some jerky). You can put through tons of produce in one of those very quickly, seal it in vacuum bags and if you do it enough, be good for a year or at least a couple of months. Since time is of the essence, it seems like the best tool for the job. After electricity goes out, you can fall back on either canning, or construct a no electricity dehydrator out of wood, mesh screen and a decent sized window (assuming you have a hand drill and saws). Of course you could just lay the stuff out on the back porch in the sun, but I have something of an issue letting swarms of flies defecate all over drying food. Rice is a semi-poor storage staple, it will last you a year tops unless you freeze dry it and #10 can it. Whole kernel wheat and beans on the other hand, will keep you in bread and beans for a long time (don't forget to hold back lots of salt as well, which stores indefinitely). Ensure that if you have whole grain anything, that you have a good hand grinder. No matter what you choose though, if it is bulk stuff like grains/rice/beans, ensure that you kill any critter eggs in it before you store it in oxygen free mylar bags (stuffed inside 5 gallon buckets). It's an easy thing to do, get some dry ice, put a 5-6 gallon mylar bag in a 5 gallon bucket, fill it half way with the staple, throw in a chunk of dry ice, fill the rest of the way with the staple, throw in another chunk of dry ice, and put the lid on the bucket loosely, let the air bleed out. Seal the bucket after that and let the CO2 kill all the critter eggs. Seal the bag with a household iron after throwing a desiccant inside and you're good for 5-7 years most of the time (and probably a year after you open it).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
All grain contains critter eggs, Eric. Even milling flour doesn't destroy them. Keep a bag of flour long enough and you will see teeny mealy bug worms spawning in it, even if you've kept it sealed.
I see psyops everywhere.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
Processors work under the assumption that you aren't going to store the product long term, so you can't count on there NOT being critter eggs in the product. It's always best to be safe and debug everything from a dry goods/grain perspective. Last thing you want is to have your last 50 pounds of rice, that you need to keep you family alive just long enough to let garden produce come in, be full of worms. The cost of dry ice is nominal and it only takes a few minutes per batch. I'm not terribly thrilled with those. I mean yes, they work great for normal home use in normal times, especially to help prevent freezer burn and extend freezer life, or to seal stuff for camping. But ultimately plastic lets air and light in, and the food WILL degrade. The machines they sell in the store, IMHO, are good for normal "good" times use only, not long term storage. http://www.usaemergencysupply.com is where I buy my bags and desiccants. Good prices, extremely fast shipping. I normally get the non-resealable ones for the 5-6 gallon bags, quite a few non-resealable ones for 1-2 gallon bags, and then a bundle of resealable ones for everyday use after you'd open a non-resealable. You bet! Squeeze out air (carefully), throw in a handful of dessicants, lay the edge of the bag on a 2x4 piece of wood, iron it shut, throw the bag in a 5 gallon plastic bucket, label the bucket, seal it, you're good for 5-7 years.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Yep, the things in the eggs are living, and without air seeping through the egg shell, they can't breath and die. I've heard people deep freezing them as well, but I'm not certain that would work well, don't use that method myself. Figure nature already has natural "deep freezes" that bugs always seem to survive.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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#34. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
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#36. To: SonOfLiberty (#29)
#37. To: Eric Stratton (#35)
#38. To: Eric Stratton, SonOfLiberty (#32)
Spinach, peas, carrots, broccoli are quick, so is lettuce (but it seems pretty low nutritionally). Tomatoes aren't quite as "quick" but they yield a ton of product per plant per season. Things like corn take planning and land enough for at least 4+ decent rows, so that's out. Potatoes are not terribly fast, they're a three month-ish wait, but their yield can be quite large. They do take up space though. Wheat and barley take up space, but a good harvest of wheat or barley can last you a year or longer and requires little storage specialization (debug it, seal it, ta da).
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
With tomatoes you can even get those things that they advertise to hang them to grow them, that's probably a really good way of doing those and they can probably hang indoors during the winter I'm guessing.
Sounds like peas and carrots are a good way to go. Do you have to can them to preserve them?
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
#41. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#42. To: Original_Intent (#26)
#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)
#45. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
#46. To: Original_Intent (#28)
#47. To: abraxas (#30)
#48. To: Eric Stratton, Original_Intent (#20)
Also, which crops yield the most food, as I won't be looking primarily for preference, really simply survival?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#49. To: Eric Stratton (#46)
#50. To: Eric Stratton (#47)
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Actually, amid all the discussion of growing crops, I was thinking that we should have some summertime tunes, ... how 'bout a little Diesel!
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#52. To: Original_Intent (#40)
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#54. To: wudidiz (#48)
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#56. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#57. To: Eric Stratton (#54)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#58. To: wudidiz (#57)
#59. To: Eric Stratton (#52)
Take a big big honor guard with you. Home made claymores are good for that.
#60. To: Eric Stratton (#58)
Oh yeah, screw my wife and kids. It's every man for himself when TSHTF!
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#61. To: Original_Intent (#59)
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
I HATE THIS GOVERNMENT.
#63. To: Phant2000 (#62)
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#64. To: Original_Intent (#63)
... but not with someone old enough to be, err, uh, a big sister?
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
Got a much better plan. Have for years now. And trust me, If I get hungry enough, I'm going "shopping" at my neighbors victory garden. He best but lots of toothpicks to keep his eyes open :P
#66. To: Eric Stratton (#54)
#67. To: SonOfLiberty (#66)
#68. To: Eric Stratton (#67)
Thanks! I'll have to look into them. Still, they take electricity to operate, no?
I'm thinking just a good stock of dried rice and beans for immediate action.
#69. To: SonOfLiberty (#68)
#70. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
Would there be critter eggs in store-bought rice bags?
#71. To: randge (#70)
#72. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
Would there be critter eggs in store-bought rice bags?
I've got some of those foodsealing bags, are those good for this?
Where does one by 5-6 gal. mylar bags?
Also, will an iron seal that shut?
#73. To: Eric Stratton (#71)
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