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Title: The Civil War Begins - Arizona threatens to cut off power to Los Angeles over immigration law boycott
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www.abc15.com
URL Source: http://www.abc15.com/content/financ ... on/RBINaWwt1kOaUTJxnHs5Xg.cspx
Published: May 19, 2010
Author: by: Dave Biscobing
Post Date: 2010-05-19 08:46:23 by Mind_Virus
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Views: 2050
Comments: 139
Arizona energy official calls L.A.'s bluff on total boycott Reported by: Dave Biscobing Email: dbiscobing@abc15.com Last Update: 5/18 11:16 pm PHOENIX -- Last week, Los Angeles officially boycotted Arizona to send a message about the state's new immigration law. Now, the Arizona Corporation Commission is sending back a message of their own. On Tuesday, Commissioner Gary Pierce wrote a letter to the Los Angeles Mayor and City Council. He said the intention was to "call them out," and see if they are committed to truly cut off all Arizona resources. "I don't think they thought this through," Pierce said. "There are consequences that involve energy." Across Arizona, Los Angeles gets 25 percent of its power from three plants, including the Palo Verde Nuclear Station. The state can't literally pull the plug as the city owns the power. But if tough-talking Los Angeles officials really decide to go through with this boycott fully, then they will have to go without this electricity. "You can't call a boycott on the candy store and then pick and choose the candy you really want," Pierce said. "You either boycott or you don't." However, Los Angeles councilmembers have been perhaps the most outspoken about Senate Bill 1070. "We want them to be the last state to do this," Councilmember Janice Hahn said after the city first threatened boycotts. "We think we have a lot of leverage over that state." "This is not a paper resolution. It is real," added Councilmember Ed Reyes after the boycott was approved. When the Los Angeles City Council made their vote, they were given a report that contained information about the city's contracts with Arizona. It did not include agreements about water and power. "I think this boycott is going to backfire," Pierce said. "And they are just going to want it to go away." After the letter was sent, the Arizona Corporation Commission said by the end of the day, they received dozens of calls and more than 100 emails in support from officials of 18 different states.
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#2. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
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Yes, it does doesn't it? This isn't something to desire, lots of innocent people, truly innocent like kids and sick folks, are going to be in a world of pain if "something" comes to pass. The only silver lining, for our family anyway, is that we're relatively young (early 40's), mobile, fit and self sufficient. Looks like all the prayer in the world didn't solve any of this. We appear to be headed into a big ass bloody confrontation. Be ready, be patient, lay low I guess.
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Our garden this year is huge. Even have blueberry bushes planted, early summer yielders and mid-late summer yielders. If push comes to shove, we have 51,500 heirloom non-hybrid seeds for a variety of foods that grow in this region (veges, melons, herbs, etc) that can be planted across the entire back yard that could sustain us for years if need be (though honestly we'll probably retreat to 40 acres out in the country that is being bequeathed to us soon).
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We're zone 5(b). Where you live is mostly 5 in the north-central, with a range across your state of 5a to 6b. Figure on lots of tomatoes, green peppers, onions, potatoes, garlic, beans, chili peppers, lettuce, cabbage, etc. If you're in the southern part of your state, you could even swing tobacco successfully. That sir, would be a much better "investment" than gold right there, talk about a good trading crop! Berries and vines (think raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, hops) take at least a year to establish with no return, with some of the fruiting bushes taking up to 3 years before a return. That said, after 3 years, you're golden for another 50+. Yeah, 40 acres of land that is being used even now for farming. Rich, rich soil. Where we live now we have a decent garden, but it can't match 40 acres of Growing Goodness. :)
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Looks like we're in zone 6 actually, 6b. You have a good site for appropriateness there? And yeah, tobacco would no doubt be very good. Zone 6b gives you a lot of options. I am 8a and have more na, na, na-na. Kidding aside you can grow most tree crops, except citrus, apples, pears, plums, peaches, and nectarines. Most berries are hardy in your zone and it is warm enough to grow short season melons in the summer. Winter hardy Leeks and Cabbage can be left in the field till needed, as well as overwintering carrots. Most lettuces and other greens can be grown well into the Fall and again in late winter/early spring. The late and early would have to be done with protection, but a simple tunnel system can be made from plastic pipe and Tufflite IV Greenhouse plastic. A good source for tree fruits, and a lot of berries, is Raintree Nursery which has about the most extensive selection, and good quality, that I know of.
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Spinach, peas, carrots, broccoli are quick, so is lettuce (but it seems pretty low nutritionally). Tomatoes aren't quite as "quick" but they yield a ton of product per plant per season. Things like corn take planning and land enough for at least 4+ decent rows, so that's out. Potatoes are not terribly fast, they're a three month-ish wait, but their yield can be quite large. They do take up space though. Wheat and barley take up space, but a good harvest of wheat or barley can last you a year or longer and requires little storage specialization (debug it, seal it, ta da).
There are several strategies for growing potatoes in limited space. You can plant them in a trash can half full of soil mix and slowly fill it as the plants grow, or you can use SmartPots in the 20 gallon size. I prefer the SmartPots, and use them for a lot of stuff - I have almost 20 of them now. You can mail order them or if you are lucky, like me, there may be a local store that sells them. They are a very good solution for people with limited space.
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I had a first time too - also growing potatoes. What I used the first time for limited space was one of those open bottom plastic compost bins - the ones that are a plastic sheet, with holes in the side, that you hook together with wing-nuts - the metal kind. You start by putting a layer of compost and straw in the bottom, lay in your seed potatoes about 12 inches apart, cover with compost, and wait for them to start sprouting and growing. As they grow up you just add extra straw and compost to cover the lower few inches of the plants, let them grow some more, and repeat as they grow. Potatoes, like tomatoes, will produce new roots from the buried part of the stalks. In the case of potatoes more roots = more potatoes. Just remember that potatoes are heavy feeders and require plenty of water. Use a good liquid fertilizer fortified with a little extra liquid calcium. The only way to learn is to just do it. I started out knowing very little, but here 20 some odd years down the road I am finally a little less ignern't. However, I still learn new stuff every year.
I saw a guy out here grow a metric assload of potatoes in a small suburban backyard using stacked discarded tires...same idea...fill/grow/fill/grow...then he'd just peel off a tire when he wanted some spuds. Those tires were stacked over four feet tall with potatoes growing all the way down.
Yup, I'm familiar with the tactic, and it does work quite well. Not very purdy but very functional.
Talk about topic drift. LOL Not a complaint, just saying...
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#97. To: Original_Intent (#96)
LOL
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#5. To: Eric Stratton (#2)
Boy, things really appear as if the lid can blow off of this pot-o-shit any day now.
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#10. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
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I need to find out what kinds of crops grow best and quickest for our climate, which is probably a lot like yours except with a slightly longer growing season.
I wish I had that country option. Our space for growing much is limited.
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#17. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
No doubt.
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#96. To: farmfriend (#93)
just saying...
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