4um: On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

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Dear family and friends

I am glad I am no longer a US Citizen or US Person but a Sovereign American

What you read here is absolutely alarming, and is also completely true. Prior to receiving this message this morning, the NRA called me and told me exactly the same story. Obama and Clinton are quite literally two of the rottenest sneaks on earth, and what they are doing is woefully wrong. What this does is take us one step away from the America we have always been, one step closer to a police state, and two steps away from our freedom. We can't let this happen. It's time to make some noise about this. Please share this information with at least 10 people, and ask them to share it with 10 more each.

Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 7:11 AM

While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT

AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE could BE WAR

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a

Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.

Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE NOR A FALSE WARNING.

As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here

Click on the link below for further acknowledgement70;..

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

I declare BS on this, until proven. I am sick and tired of people crying wolf when there is no wolf. Yet.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Let me answer you this way. I wouldn't lay odds on my dying a natural death. I'm thinking you, and others, might feel the same.

I'm not going defend this. It was brought to my attention and it makes for conversation. I will say that their agenda is clear and gun confiscation, when it comes, should surprise no one.

The NRA is imo suspect. They have their own agenda, and that is fundraising. To do that they send out "the sky is falling" fundraising letters and online articles. I know, I used to get them. for years. Just when I thought I was out, they try and drag me back in. Constantly. All my dues were spent to send me more letters begging for more $$$. I didn't even want to join them, but my range at the time required it.

Authors that make these allegations need to back it up with sources. My fear is that when it comes, it WILL surprise us, because of all of the false alarms and blatant lies told in the past.

Deep down, they have to know that that won't ever happen. Too many are watching and waiting and are prepared for that.

They're evil, but they aren't stupid. Just deluded. Deluded people are dangerous. I never said that they won't try it. It would just be a real stupid thing to try.

There are two problems I see with this scenario. First off, there are millions of Americans in this country who own weapons that are untraceable to them. Second of all, there aren't enough prisons in the country to jail all of those who will refuse to turn their weapons in. This isn't Britain or Australia.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

We've all been into this for varying amounts of time and have formed ideas on how it will likely go down. I cant say I'm right any more than I can say someone else is wrong. Maybe we are all wrong.

I just keep in mind that our 1st revolution was fought by 3-5% of the population. Most were still loyalists that should have been shipped back to england after the war was over. In rafts. Leaking rafts. Either that or hung.

And my faith that God will not let this planet turn into a total shitpile. Just enough of a shitpile to keep us struggling. I can't imagine how bad people would be if this remained a paradise. It would imo be hell on earth. God was wise to set them up to sin, then kick them out of the garden, whatever that was.

During a visit to Mexico a year ago, President Barack Obama promised he would urge the US Senate to ratify an international treaty designed to curb the flow of weapons to Latin American drug cartels. It remains just that --a promise. Prospects for ratification are virtually zero.

Top officials in the Obama administration have called the cartels, and the extreme violence tearing apart Mexican cities on the US border, threats to US national security. Joining 30 other countries in the Western Hemisphere in an anti-arms smuggling accord would therefore seem a perfectly sane and logical thing to do. But logic often ends where American gun ownership begins.

The treaty in question is called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials. Known as CIFTA for its Spanish acronym, it was adopted by the Organization of American States in 1997. All but four of its 35 members have ratified it. Bill Clinton signed the convention but did not get the Senate to bless it.

The treaty has run into fierce opposition from groups representing America's huge army of gun owners, many of whom see CIFTA as a plot against their right, enshrined in the second amendment of the US constitution, to own and bear arms. Reflecting such fears, an essay on the website of the National Rifle Association (NRA), the most powerful of the gun lobbies, terms the treaty "a blueprint for dismantling the second amendment" and part of an Obama strategy "to create the foundation for repressive and extreme gun control".

Faced with such opposition, American lawmakers are no more inclined to tangle with the NRA and other gun lobbies now than they have been in the 12 preceding years; which really boils down to gun owners and their impact on the ballot box having more weight than national security concerns.

There is no provision in the convention that would allow restrictions on legal gun sales in the United States. It stipulates information-sharing among the signatories that would make it easier to track guns used by criminals back to their last legal sale. That might end a protracted dispute over the origin and the number of weapons in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels whose wars against each other and against the state have killed more than 22 000 people since late 2006.

Nobody knows how many guns are smuggled across the border, how many come from the more than 9 000 licensed arms dealers in the four US states bordering Mexico, or from gun shows and private sales. A widely-used assertion that 90% of the guns used by Mexican organised crime come from the US does not stand up to scrutiny but there's no doubt there's a steady stream of weapons across the border.

There is, however, some good news on American efforts to throttle the flow of arms to violence-wracked Mexico: stepped up controls of south-bound traffic have resulted in a 25,6% increase in the seizure of weapons in 2009 compared with 2008, according to statistics from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The bad news: that translates into 1 428 firearms, an average of four a day.

Contrast that with the millions of people and cars that cross into Mexico every day - 82 000 at one border point alone (San Ysidro, between San Diego and Tijuana) -- and it's easy to see why there's a rule of thumb along the border that for every one confiscated weapon, seven to nine make it through. Add to that weapons smuggled from Central America, still awash with arms from its civil wars in the 1980s, and it's obvious why the cartels have so much firepower.

And why it is unlikely that force alone can end the bloodshed or wipe out the criminal Mexican organizations -- think of them as armed corporations fighting for market share and access -- whose members are doing business in more than 230 American cities, according to the DHS.

A study published in the last week of April by the Vancouver-based International Centre for Science in Drug Policy -- an international network of scientists, academics and public health practitioners -- reviewed English-language scientific literature dating back more than 20 years to track the impact of drug law enforcement on drug market violence.

Among its findings: "Most...studies found that increasing drug law enforcement intensity resulted in increased rates of drug market violence." And: " Research...has shown that by removing key players from the lucrative illegal drug market, drug law enforcement may have the perverse effect of creating significant financial incentives for other individuals to fill this vacuum by entering the market."

That happened, for example, in Colombia in the 1990s when the combined efforts of the Colombian and US governments succeeded in dismantling the powerful Cali and Medellin cartels. They were replaced by smaller groups. Drug production and exports continued.

The study made no mention of Ciudad Juarez, just across the Rio Grande River from the Texan city of El Paso, which could serve as exhibit A to back up the contention that violence begets violence begets violence.

When Mexico's president, Felipe Calderon, ordered 2 500 troops and federal agents into border city Ciudad Juarez in 2006 to tamp down drug violence, the monthly murder rate ran at an average of 66. By 2009, the military presence had reached 7 500 and the monthly death toll ran at an average of more than 200.

How much difference American participation in an international arms trafficking treaty might have made we will never know, thanks to the gun lobbies and legislators cowed by them.

he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.

No we won't. They're my rights, as an individual, the government is not and has never been empowered to sign them away to others, let alone presume to control them, themselves. And another post I end with...tough shit.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

yeah, everyone, I'm the culprit, you can blame me. Thank you Jethro for posting it for me. As I told Jethro, I didn't know if the story was true, and was not able to research it. However, I do know this is the plan of Hillary's State Department. I only have time to post a couple of things, if anyone is interested in checking them out:

The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World

DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277
Disarmament Series 5
Released September 1961

By the time Stage II has been completed, the confidence produced through a verified disarmament program, the acceptance of rules of peaceful international behavior, and the development of strengthened international peace-keeping processes within the framework of the U.N. should have reached a point where the states of the world can move forward to Stage III. In Stage III progressive controlled disarmament and continuously developing principles and procedures of international law would proceed to a point where no state would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force (emphasis added) and all international disputes would be settled according to the agreed principles of international conduct.

The progressive steps to be taken during the final phase of the disarmament program would be directed toward the attainment of a world in which:

(a) States would retain only those forces, non-nuclear armaments, and establishments required for the purpose of maintaining internal order; they would also support and provide agreed manpower for a U.N. Peace Force.

(b) The U.N. Peace Force, equipped with agreed types and quantities of armaments, would be fully functioning.

(c) The manufacture of armaments would be prohibited except for those of agreed types and quantities to be used by the U.N. Peace Force and those required to maintain internal order. All other armaments would be destroyed or converted to peaceful purposes.

(d) The peace-keeping capabilities of the United Nations would be sufficiently strong and the obligations of all states under such arrangements sufficiently far-reaching as to assure peace and the just settlement of differences in a disarmed world. ....'

Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. .....

"...- You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing ......"

www.rense.com/general86/hr45.htm [tried to check out one of the links at the bottom to see where it stood, and almost crashed my computer. I coaxed it into coming back after at least three hours.]

see 4um Now Independent Thinkers are considered diseased by psychiatry ...ArtNum=118153.

25 million [at least] coming out of CorpUSA and becoming Secured Party Creditors, number growing by leaps and bounds as people find out they do not have to answer to CorpUSA or pay its fraudulent taxes, and finding out they have been sold as slaves on the auction block of the Wall Street "Stock" Exchange. [Fraud, fraud, and more fraud, theft, murder]: www.sovereign.netau.net/index.php?p=1_15 / OWNERS OF THE PRISON SYSTEM IN AMERICA nesaranews.blogspot.com/2...on-system-in-america.html

Tim Turner of the Restore America Plan, was on video two or three months ago saying they needed to get some papers to the military pronto because Obama was planning on turning us over to the UN in April. [don't have time to search that out for you.]

They have no right to lawfully ban guns under the CONstitution [ www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/03/06/greenslade.htm ] or natural right. They must think by signing some fraudulent treaty they will have a "legal" footing to stand on. They have NO jurisdiction over Sovereigns in this land. My definition of a Sovereign in America goes deeper than the Restore America Plan: Ezekiel 34:11-13/John 10, 2 Samuel 7:10/Galatians 3:16-29, Revelation 5:9-10. As the Supreme Court ruled "You have rights antecedent to any earthly government." [paraphrased]

Connecting some of the dots, it doesn't look like they are going to head Psalm 2:12, but are going to wage the battle of Armageddon in America [Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-10]...soon...imho.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm