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Title: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100 ... RzZWMDeW5fbW9zdF9wb3B1bGFyBHNs
Published: May 22, 2010
Author: Liz Goodwin
Post Date: 2010-05-22 13:44:45 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 763
Comments: 68

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.

Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.

Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.

Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.

Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.

"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."

His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."

— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News

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#5. To: Horse (#0)

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

I disagree for two reasons:

1. The government should never be given the authority to determine citizenship. Not EVER, NEVER, NOT AT ANY TIME. PERIOD.

2. Regardless of how I feel about illegal aliens, I want them gone yesterday, nevertheless if you were born on free soil you are a free person and by right of birth. The founding fathers well knew what they were doing. To do it any other way is to grant government authority which it should NEVER have. That does not mean that I would grant their illegal parents the right to stay because of that birthright. Book'em and deport'em.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   15:54:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent, Horse, Lod, Jethro Tull, abraxas, noone222, Esso, buckeroo (#5)

2. Regardless of how I feel about illegal aliens, I want them gone yesterday, nevertheless if you were born on free soil you are a free person and by right of birth. The founding fathers well knew what they were doing. To do it any other way is to grant government authority which it should NEVER have. That does not mean that I would grant their illegal parents the right to stay because of that birthright. Book'em and deport'em.

I must beg to disagree on this one. (I know, disagreeing with you is rare for me)

It was never the intent of the founding fathers or the 14th Amendment to allow children of illegals to be citizens. Just like diplomats, children of illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US and should not be citizens. The change came with the '65 Immigration Act.

Anchor Babies

Anchor Babies: Is Citizenship an Entitled Birthright?

Anchor Babies: Part of the Immigration-Related American Lexicon

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   16:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#6)

And your argument is sound. I have to admit I have not spent a lot of time on the intricacies of the anchor baby problem - other than noting it as a problem.

On a broader philosophic basis I still find the "if you were born here you are, if you choose, one of us" attractive and even just. It is inclusive without being overly expansive i.e., I do not see a right of residency conferred upon the parents merely for birthing here nor should it be. Since the child must stay with the parents when they are shown the door the child of rights should go where the parents go - not conferring residency upon the parents, who are here illegally, because their minor child was born here. I do not see a logical connection between the two.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   19:27:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Now all of that I could agree with on principle.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#24)

O_I basically suggests: the state is responsible for human activities even if those same activities are illegal based upon US statute.

In a serious sense, he says anchor babies are my tax problem; that the citizenry must afford illegals their fair share of the benefits in America based upon my tax dollars.... he argues to make us all tax-slaves.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:40:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#25)

No, I don't think he is. I think you are twisting what he said and/or taking it out of context. Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:44:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#27. To: farmfriend (#26)

Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

So, his opinion about having nice, little anchorbabies is a benefit for my tax dollar, is it?

If so, where are those benefits outside of making the US citizenry tax-slaves to an impoverished people that steal their way into America, sneaking in at night? What benefit do I or you or O_I or anyone have from illegal immigration? Rhetorically, the fact of illegals picking our lettuce with unclean hands after they wipetheir asses in the fields creating salmonella poisoning for the entire USA? Or taking on cheap labor jobs, never paying taxes while their offspring steal our hospitals, education and jobs? ?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22 19:52:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#26) (Edited)

No, I don't think he is. I think you are twisting what he said and/or taking it out of context. Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

Thanks. Buckie's still upset with me because I reamed him good a while back. He has now descended into the "ankle biter" category trying to twist and concoct an argument that I'll respond to. He continues to get more and more desperate as I ignore him more and more. ;-)

This is one of those interminable debates where both sides of the issue have valid points and it comes down to one's personal beliefs of what constitutes right and just. A child, or a baby, is not responsible for the actions of his or her parents and the child should not be held to account for them. As far as I am concerned if a child is born on our soil they are born American regardless of the nationality of the parents and their legal or illegal status. Of course we had similar arguments prior to the civil war i.e., if a child was born of slaves in a free state they were free but still went where the parents went.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22 22:37:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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